Jasper10

Any it doesn’t take much effort to debunk it does it? What would you know about what I know? …you need to get control of that ego of yours…it’s your downfall. Science,presence,awareness,experience,consciousness,thoughts and emotions are all interconnected you mean. Believe me I have put a lot of effort into learning how it is all interconnected and you are very lacking in your understanding and even the bit you think you know is utter nonsense and the present scientific theory is about to collapse, so I ask you once again,who is this authority on science you speak of?

You see it is so easy to dismantle the present theories and I could tell you loads more but you don’t want to know because you don’t want to learn and your blinkin egos get in the way. Ha Ha is that all you have got to come back with? If you knew anything at all about consciousness then you would know that there is no such thing as a black hole.You can’t define a hole by a colour. It’s just a hole!!!!! And any scientists who thinks an elephant is identical in every aspect to its trunk or leg ….well……

Ha Ha …are you sure of that or are you speculating? You never made mention to all the matter disappearing into many many of your mainstream sciences black holes, so how can it possibly all disappear into a single hole (point)? You’ve missed the important bit of my post out.

With all due respect the whole of the present scientific model is about to collapse, is it not? So what authority on science are you referring to? Also as matter disappears into many many of your black holes, are you going to put your hand up to go and get it again so it can be put down your mainstream sciences single hole/point….lol…. Listen, if you want to be made to look a fool in front of your piers then carry on I’m up for it….or are you going to take the cowards way out again and block me because your ego gets the better of you again?

Ok ….you also have your opinions and I respect that so let’s just say that I have been truly told off then.As I say,I am not allowed to comment again on that logic apparently or else I will get blocked.

Well I am not allowed to comment on the other posts that were blocked.

I have not mentioned anything about logic in my threads as it is not allowed so it is not up for discussion.How do you know it is speculation if I have not presented it?

Well as I am not allowed to share the philosophical and mathematical logic then on those 2 points its not up for discussion I would have thought. So I can only give my own personal opinions in general concepts.

I thought this was a general philosophy section of the forum? It is just my opinion and a conceptual idea based upon my personal experiences which may or may not be of use,hence why I commented in the general philosophy section.I could give more information to support my opinions but it’s to do with logic and I have been told not to, so I won’t.I don’t want to break the rules of the forum.

It is my opinion that autopilot consciousness cannot transition to manual consciousness and manual consciousness cannot transition to autopilot consciousness. PRESENCE can though and does either in awareness or unawareness.

No,it is my opinion that, Awareness sits above Consciousness. Presence sits above awareness. Experience sits in between Awareness and Consciousness.

I would say consciousness can be defined as a state of experience.It isn’t awareness that’s for sure. It is also my opinion that for there to be awareness there needs to be something that is aware.It is my opinion that that something is PRESENCE or the “ i am”. The “i am” is therefore aware that it experiences the 2 different consciousness states and can decide to move from autopilot to the manual consciousness state any time it likes thus taking more control of thought types of which there are two i.e. inward autopilot thoughts that come in from nowhere and outward thoughts that are generated in the manual consciousness state by the i am.

I am only referring to the control of consciousness. It is my opinion that it is not just an automated process, it may appear so if the individual is unaware. There is a non automated process as well.We experience different consciousness states depending upon which process we are interfacing with. Awareness sits above consciousness because the individual is either aware or unaware of the automated & non automated “toggling” processes and can even experientially bring oneself out of the automated process into the non automated process at will and at any time. If the individual lacks awareness then they do not exercise this control and even though they are forced to take control all the time they are not aware of this. PRESENCE (i am) sits above awareness.

Ok ..not sure what you mean by that?

That may be your opinion hoŵver,It is my opinion that you or I would need to provide definitive proof of that.All we both can do is hope that what you say is correct.Other than that and we are both merely guessing.

Well I am of the opinion that SELF needs to be untangled from consciousness otherwise SELF remains a prisoner of it.SELF therefore needs to embrace inward/outward meditation. Disappearing into an “out of synch”, inward only meditative (consciousness) state,Buddhism meditative practices being a perfect example of this,then embracing duality,then coming to the conclusion that the one that decided to go inward in the first place doesn’t exist is self defeating in my opinion.

Well I am now fully aware of the 2 consciousness states of manual and autopilot that both sit on both sides of the fence I.e. 0/1 = 0/1 to use an analogy. I used to be unaware that I was unaware 0=0 .I had no idea that I “toggled” between manual and autopilot all the time. I then transitioned to being aware that I was unaware 1=0, I.e. that I disappeared into autopilot all the time and unaware that I was aware 0=1, I.e. that I was handed manual control all the time and then finally I transition to being aware that I was aware 1=1,I.e. that I did toggle between 2 consciousness states all the time and was able to exercise control over the toggling I.e still it.

It is my opinion that most of the other planes do fly just fine,you are right. Most people do spend their whole lives in total unawareness “toggling” between the 2 consciousness states. However, the problems start when autopilot starts playing up and individuals are forced to try and fly the plane themselves in manual without the instruction manual. Can you prove we are consciousness? no,you can’t.You don’t even know what it is. From my experience awareness sits above consciousness. I am not manual or autopilot consciousness.I am separate from them both.I therefore put manual and autopilot on both sides of the fence,to use an analogy.

I know from experience that AWARENESS and CONSCIOUSNESS are completely different things. You can be AWARE that you are “not in the moment” or “not in synch” and bring yourself back “into the moment” or “back in synch” any time you like.You can exercise that control over consciousness. It is my opinion that something needs to be aware or not aware and that something is the “I am” which is a PRESENCE. So it is the “I am” that has awareness and exercises consciousness control.

Well the plane I’m grappling to fly in manual has no passengers and I’ve just looked out of the window and can see many other similar planes whose pilots are fast asleep at the cockpit because their planes are flying on autopilot.

Interesting NTuft…are you flexible and open minded enough to accept that control is a vital ingredient then? It is my opinion that control is not as far an aim as you might think. It is my opinion that we need to learn control by trail and error.It doesn’t come naturally or easy because we are so conditioned to being controlled by the machine or autopilot part of our nature. I have experiential awareness that I exercise control over binary consciousness but it is hard work.You do have to learn how to practically “fly the plane” so to speak. It’s a bit like learning how to ride a bike.You try, you fail,you learn until you learn enough from from your failures to succeed.

4 you can control?

Phi, I have not made it up.Control and Experience is a factor. The below is just my opinion: “player” science and philosophy rather than “spectator” science and philosophy takes things to the next level. Scientist don’t want to become part of their own experiments. Can I ask Phi, are you into meditation,particularly inward only meditation? This is just my opinion: “Inward” only meditation like Buddhism is a consciously biased meditative practice. What do I mean by this? As far as consciousness is concerned the individual deliberately goes into the “out of the moment” consciousness state which is one of the two consciousness states and then proceeds to divide (create dualism) within this state as part of their knowledge searchings.

The below is just a query and the views expressed are just my opinion. So are you saying that you only practice “observer” science or what I would call “spectator” science then rather than “player” science and the “observer” is only consciousness or awareness and has no direct connection or engagement to the experiment/s? It would be easier for me if you explained whether you have a view on self i.e. do you think that self exists or not? I do understand that you may not want to commit on a statement either way and other contributors to these discussions may take the same stance because then you and they would then have to definitively prove it either way and we both know that would be impossible for you or them to do this. However,it would be helpful if you expressed your hopeful belief system because at the end of the day it is also my opinion that that is all you, me or anyone else has on the big questions of do I exist or not? Unless, that is, active experience provides definitive assurances that self “I am” does exist. I am of the opinion that “I am” therefore I am separate from thoughts. I appreciate that it only makes sense to me and the reason it does make sense to me is because I actively experience it.I am of the opinion that it would makes sense to you as well hopefully. I experience 2 types of thoughts that make sense to me (inward and outward).I am also only aware of 5 senses.

Well I am of the opinion that I am neither. I prefer…….” I am, therefore I think”…..because from my experience “I am” and I have awareness of the 2 consciousness states which I introduce control over. I am also aware that there are 2 different thought types.One thought type I generate in manual and these are in the moment thoughts and the other thought types are created by my autopilot which I do engage with which take me out of the moment.I am not a thought…..I generate outward thoughts or I experience inward thoughts. Both thought types cause an emotional response along with information coming in from the five senses.