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Cooling lakes and reservoirs to reduce bacteria and algae blooms and maintain healthy fish stocks? Hi, I have posted this idea several times in the Guardian newspaper's environment and climate sections several times over the last six years. I'm proposing the cooling of reservoir and lake water sources powered by renewables to reduce algae blooms, bacteria, and to create healthy conditions for resident fish stocks. I envisage water pumps onshore or offshore to cool the water via cooling machines powered by solar, wind, and water mills, the water mills being placed at the tributaries to the lakes.

Hi swansont I'm going to take a break from posting original or novel ideas but may just comment on other users' threads occasionally as it literally makes my brain hurt lol. As I pointed out in a few of my other threads I have a vasovagal syncope, and for an analogy, my brain is like an old computer that overheats when it is stressed too much.....🤣 🤣🤣🤣👍

Hi swansot this is not my complete explanation or an extensive technical reply but I would prefer that this discussion continues. I am proposing a neat equation much like E=mc2 to describe the complex emotional dynamics of how small but significant social incidents trigger a mass social response. If you read this MIT article, excerpt, and link below you may understand my attempt to describe the concept more clearly. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I'm going to retire from this thread, if anybody stumbles on this idea and want's to take it forward " FILL YOUR BOOTS " as they say 🙂👍

I don't think you will find it in this context on google either because it is an original and novel concept swansont . In the context of the butterfly affect , it is referring to similar processes as the butterfly effect however as it pertains to emotional and behavioral dynamics both individually and also collectively, in this case, to describe how small but significant social incidents trigger a large social and behavioral response in populations. affect1 /əˈfɛkt/ verb have an effect on; make a difference to. "the dampness began to affect my health" affected touch the feelings of; move emotionally. "he was visibly affected by the tragedy"

Hi, studiot to take this discussion further here are a few more thoughts I had on the idea last night. Verification of an individual's identity is often a stumbling block when the UK government intends to issue payments to the public often requiring a photographic id. However many of the public find this difficult for a variety of reasons including but not exclusively the lack of digital resources and technical ability. However much like opening a PayPal account this system would send a small amount of money £0.03 for example to the applicant's bank account that would then require the applicant to enter this figure on the online application form or analog paper application that would consist of tick boxes both online and in paper form. I would suggest that the majority of applicants would have a smartphone to facilitate this process. But would the paper application cause a backlog and require expensive resources to process? The paper forms would be stacked and scanned automatically much like a cash machine counting cash.

Hi swansot this is not my complete explanation or an extensive technical reply but I would prefer that this discussion continues. I am proposing a neat equation much like E=mc2 to describe the complex behavioral dynamics of how small but significant social events trigger a mass social response. If you read this MIT article, excerpt, and link below you may understand my attempt to describe the concept more clearly. " Driven by an insatiable curiosity about the human mind, she is working on two PhD thesis projects in two different cognitive neuroscience labs at MIT. For one, she is studying punishment as a social tool to influence others. For the other, she is uncovering the neural processes underlying social learning — that is, learning from others. By piecing together these two research programs, Radkani is hoping to gain a better understanding of the mechanisms underpinning social influence in the mind and brain." https://news.mit.edu/2022/setayesh-radkani-social-brain-0909

Sorry swansot I mistakenly thought it was self-explanatory and the different meanings between the words affect and effect would be self-explanatory and provide context, however, although I can personally visualize the concept fully perhaps the concept requires further explanation. I will endeavor to explain the concept further tomorrow morning.

Hi Studiot a few quick answers. You said: The design and implementation of even the simplest computer/software system need a phase of testing on examples with known outcomes. The greater the complexity of the process being computed the greater the risk of unforeseen interactions resulting in unwanted outcomes. Thus the greater the complexity the greater the need for more wide-ranging yet intensive pre-implementation testing. My Answer: I agree with these points and also include the observation that UK government IT projects tend to be abject failures both vastly overpriced, over time, clunky, and full of bugs. However, data is the new currency and if the dysfunctional tender system for bidding for government projects could be circumvented I'm sure that one of the new generations of tech companies would welcome this project because data is now so valuable. You Said: How strong would any guarantee of zero to low unwanted outcomes be? My answer: I'm reminded of the quote "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good" All businesses incur some losses, and in the context of this idea I'm sure that criminal minds would search for loopholes and some people may receive a payment they are not entitled to, however, the current strategy is to pay everyone the same payments rich or poor at a vast cost. But to answer your specific question, then yes testing and failsafes would be required to guard against a vast error of overpayments for example. But the system would also overlook those without a bank account for example, but if every design were to be perfectly inclusive then no design would make it to mark one. Hi swansot this made me giggle "And what is your fixation with ai? I don't think it means what you think it means. In this application, it's not some magic bullet. It's just computer programming - comparing an income to some predetermined number" My reply: It does seem I'm obsessed with ai perhaps I think I might be able to have full-blown complex conversations with ai in the near future rather than boring my disinterested family to death. lol

I suspect a complex equation from a simple premise the Butterfly Affect as opposed to the Butterfly Effect to describe the process by which small but socially significant events spark large social responses.

The UK government are thoroughly convinced that there is simply no way to means test energy payments to the public in any way for the low-income demographic for example. And that means testing such benefits is too expensive and complex. However, I think that actually, it's very much possible. As an example, there is a wealth of data held by corporations, banks, and governments on members of the public. My proposal in its simplest form would require the consent from individuals to allow a government or third-party ai system to access this data, such as bank accounts, benefits, employment tax data, etc in order to means test individuals or indeed households and to calculate which individuals are in the low income demographic for the purpose of means-tested energy and other government payments to the public. The ai system would then issue these payments.

Hi again swansot, firstly this is my last reply on the subject in this thread. As I have pointed out in another thread I experience short periods where I have spontaneous ideas and a heightened sense of vivid imagination however that feeling has left me this morning. Although I always have a sense of heightened psychological clarity immediately as I awaken from sleep that lasts about 5 minutes before my perception of the real world comes crashing back in to replace it. To that end, I did have had this final thought this morning in the context of this thread. But firstly to answer your question specifically, I think you are asking a casual hobbyist a question that would require the best minds in this genre to answer and would also require millions of dollars of research funding. I have also quoted my previous reply to you to provide context to specifically make a point about my thoughts on the butterfly effect applying to the brain . The process that I visualize by which quantum information is processed and sometimes miscalculated by the brain is actually The butterfly effect that is then expressed in the form of the butterfly affect in the brain.

Hi, I had a particularly bad seizure yesterday and I'm beginning to think I may have developed epilepsy and not just a vasovagal syncope, so don't feel like doing much today. However, I will explain my logic on the concept of free will. Free will is a very complex concept that has many attributes and influences. From local culture and laws, traditions, and constraints, to personal perceptions, other influences, social constraints, and perceptions of social acceptance, etc. One also has to ask if we are truly free to do as we wish even in the most liberal of democracies. However, I would like to keep to the original topic if that's ok?

Firstly I realize that this idea is currently a novel concept but I have posted it in the interest of discussion. Hi, Swanson, I will reply to your question as it provides my answer to everybody so far in this thread. Firstly I think I should replace (That is to say that errors occur at the interface between quantum information and the brain.) With (That is to say that miscalculations occur at the interface between quantum information and the brain.) But to answer your question specifically, I think that much like the butterfly effect on a global scale the butterfly effect may also apply on a micro/macro scale in the brain, meaning that small miscalculations can be compounded and magnified particularly if several miscalculations occur at the quantum/brain interface simultationously to the level of consciousness that we observe what we perceive as spontaneous or inexplicable behavior in an individual. But also that it pertains to the creation of spontaneous original ideas by the brain, and that at the subliminal level our thought processes may be impacted subtlely by miscalculations at the quantum information/ brain interface. But the natural assumption from this novel idea is that the brain must constantly attempt to correct these miscalculations in order to function effectively.

Random, Spontaneous, Fate, or Free Will? How does the Brain process decisions? I have pondered the idea that we impact the timeline of other people by the actions we take on the road whilst driving for example and throughout our lives. If I let this guy out of the junction will his timeline be affected in a minor way for the rest of his life, will he get to the interview on time for example? But also if such decisions are random, spontaneous, free will, or fate. I posted the idea several years ago and suggested that at the quantum level errors in the way the brain processes information and the process by which our brains calculate decisions actually cause a degree of randomness or errors in our consciousness much like errors in the output from quantum computers that have to be corrected. That is to say that errors occur at the interface between quantum information and the brain. And that perhaps we are not slaves to either free will or fate, but to a tiny degree, our thought process is impacted by errors at the quantum level and therefore random to a degree.

Yeah interesting observations Ken, I think similar principles also apply to many activities from large events and even down to individual psychology. From the rebellious punk teenager to the eco-warrior convinced they are independent of capitalism, to something like the burning man festival that is awash with the resources of capitalism.

Hi, your post caught my eye, Seth, I just spent a few seconds researching the debate between free will and fate, if indeed that's what you are referring to, if not forgive my impromptu interjection. I have often pondered the question whilst driving to pick my wife up from work during traffic jams etc. The idea that we impact the timeline of other people by the actions we take on the road for example. If I let this guy out of the junction will his timeline be affected in a minor way for the rest of his life, will he get to the interview on time for example? But also if such decisions are random, free will, or fate. I posted the idea several years ago and suggested that at the quantum level quantum errors and the process by which our brains calculate decisions actually cause a degree of randomness or errors in our consciousness much like errors in the output from quantum computers that have to be corrected, and that perhaps we are not slaves to either freewill or fate but to a tiny degree our thought process is impacted by errors at the quantum level and therefore random to a degree.

Hi INOW I posted almost the exact same post 15 years years ago on a forum and it was received with great acclaim, it was liked by 2 people, a mad squirrel hunter from Alaska and a guy who was looking for a plumbing repair solution that had stumbled upon the wrong forum I think. But what prompted me to resurrect the idea was a documentary about Freetown (link below) an anarchist village in Copenhagen. It struck me that the village could only survive on its anarchist ideology because it is being sustained by the capitalist society that surrounds it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freetown_Christiania

One could pen an entire encyclopedia on the 1000s of people and the spider's web of resources needed to enable an anarchist to enjoy their day at a protest. From the global logistics and manufacturing required to produce everything they are wearing to the manufacture of his flares and spray paint cans, and the diesel required to power the train he arrives on. The list would be so extensive that one could write an entire encyclopedia about his day at the protest. My conclusion is that "Anarchism only works because the majority of people aren't anarchists.

"The "AI" would instead be used on root causes, to prevent the climate related problems you describe. " I currently have a doctor visiting my house and she thinks that this is a brilliant observation Ghideeon 👍 Your Question "As a resident of one of those 'African countries close to the equator I've got to ask why you pick this example. " My reply I seem to recall that Lucy (Australopithecus) was also African as well? Hi Seth I intended this response as my last reply on this forum never to be visited again, however, I will make one last attempt to explain my comments as I think you deserve an explanation. I tend to give people 60% of the information and then expect them to join the dots, in fact, this habit annoys my wife very much lol. It was a reference to the genesis of humankind and that the majority of humanity still have fragments of early African DNA and that in fact, we are all from Africa ..............

"AI is not the answer to every problem" But I think we can agree that catalysts can prove to be very useful? "As a resident of one of those 'African countries close to the equator I've got to ask why you pick this example. " I seem to recall that Lucy (Australopithecus) was also African as well?

Further to my reply TheVat, I think your question pertains to the humane dispersal of flows of migrants into western countries specifically. In this respect, I think it would require several algorithms synergistically cooperating to achieve a common goal. For instance, one algorithm to calculate the resettlement of climate migrants as outlined in a previous post but also a second algorithm assigned the task of ensuring adequate resources at points of the congregation and efficient logistics and transport for example. But to take the concept further, we have all seen the haunting footage of how Jews were deliberately transported in harsh conditions and how families were seperated. This system would ensure acceptable conditions during the dispersal of climate migrants and would absolutely not under any circumstances split up family units during dispersal and relocation.

Hi TheVat please read this line in the above post :0) But how would the system calculate more complex questions from the google database? Such as the impact of how accepting local populations are of migrants. It would search the google database for keywords about race hate crimes in a given local area and count the number of reports in any given area. And this line The system could consult the google search database and hunt for keywords to answer binary questions. This could be expressed in binary zero or one, here are two examples. Local benefits advisor available? Yes, 1 No 0, Land Sales for prefab housing? Yes, 1 No 0. I don't think machines are capable of empathy as yet in the context of this proposal and compared to human empathy, however, as you can see by these two examples, binary machines can calculate incidental empathy at least how we translate and perceive it. As you can see from the examples above the algorithm has calculated the availability of services for a given area and even calculated local attitudes to migrants in a given area. And the incidental consequences of these calculations are that living conditions and the quality of life of climate migrants would be acceptable and therefore as a consequence humane juxtaposed to conditions in the Calais camps for example.

My neurons have just spontaneously calculated this point whilst making my wife a warm cup of tea and a biscuit. Actually, the calculations that are required are binary for the most part, both simple and complex simultaneously. Take this line from my post for example Indeed could the ai algorithm even oversee the ideal placement of individuals and family units to the point of ensuring adequate availability of resources such as financial benefits, relocation issues, housing advice, and even calculate the impact of local cultural attitudes towards migrants, etc.? The system could consult the google search database and hunt for keywords to answer binary questions. This could be expressed in binary zero or one, here are two examples. Local benefits advisor available? Yes, 1 No 0, Land Sales for prefab housing? Yes, 1 No 0. But how would the system calculate more complex questions from the google database? Such as the impact of how accepting local populations are of migrants. It would search the google database for keywords pertaining to race hate crimes in a given local area and count the number of reports in any given area. In reference to a previous post in this thread I have done a casual search of predictive models but as yet not seen the synergistic addition of a binary organizational algorithm, however, will spend a bit more time on it tomorrow. :0)

In the comment above which is located further up the thread I am explaining that we observe huge failings in the lack of foresight and lack of forwarding planning both generally but in the context of this thread particularly about preparedness and adaption to new climate conditions by governments around the globe. Scientists have warned governments about the coming challenges for decades however the scientist's protests have become even more urgent in the last five years. Despite this governments have failed to respond adequately. From this observation, I have extrapolated the idea that perhaps governments will also fail to forward plan and prepare for the predicted flows of climate migrants into western nations from poorer and more impacted nations such as African countries close to the equator for example. My proposal is that given the partisan and beaurocratic nature of our political systems that tend to get bogged down in partisan ideology and debate could a computer model used to predict the flows of climate migrants across the globe work in tandem with an organizational ai algorithm to calculate the ideal way to humanely disperse and shelter mass arrivals of climate migrants? Indeed could the ai algorithm even oversee the ideal placement of individuals and family units to the point of ensuring adequate availability of resources such as financial benefits, relocation issues, and housing advice, and even calculate the impact of local cultural attitudes towards migrants, etc.? Considering this is a science forum I suspect visitors and participants to this thread would be interested in the interface between predictive computer models and organizational ai algorithms, to that end I will have to spend some hours researching the subject and will reply later. :0)

Ok thanks for the heads up, I was hoping for someone with a higher IQ than myself who is more qualified to take the discussion forward, however, I will attempt to explain the concept in more detail.