Hi, This is a very old subject Using the term perpetual motion machine - is somewhat not the right term to use as it is not a real machine at all
What people are after is a limited but long lasting energy source ( Gravity or magnetic )
Point 2 is the power output must run the device itself and produce usable output to run other things ( not perpetual motion )
Most people believe this is impossible But unfortunately for them it is Possible Again ( not Perpetual motion )
But again unfortunately not any want to find out that it is possible - So it remains impossible for lack of interest. ( Energy Technology )
So the very few that know it is possible with their working devices, maintain that what is possible for the few remain impossible for the many.
This is what Hobbies are for in the line of Retired Engineers
But there is the wind, and Sun, and Oil, and radiation making machines. So all is good - People don't need Gravity or Magnetic Power machines.
The main thing is Perpetual motion machines are impossible only because they are owned by the Easter bunny.
And any energy that come from nothing to make more that 100 percent is owned by the tooth fairy.
Only something from something is something - friction
Tom Wlazlak - EttCM Energy to torque Conversion Motor - systems This is the Technology of Gravity or Magnetic as told about.
Talking about something that is Not Real, saying it can or can not work because of something Real, is somewhat not very Scientific
Using the laws of thermodynamics to say perpetual motion can't work it not very clever. one of these things are not real. So ?
Why Talk about Perpetual motion machines at all. They are not a real item they are only Theory that is not real at all.
Use the Right Terms to describe Working Technology, unless otherwise noted on the drawing.
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