Luc Turpin

There are multiple documented cases during world war II of mothers having premonitions over the death of their son or daughter. The pattern is usually the following: a strong emotional bond between mother and child, mother not necessarily thinking about their son or daughter, but suddenly feeling a pit in the stomach then knowing with certainty that he/she had passed away. Some say they heard in their heads their sons daughter cry out for help. The death was usually confirmed later with actual time of death coinciding with the moment of the premonition moment. This is not proof of anything, but, once again, should not be dispelled without investigation.

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Having success is not my intention; presenting information that is overlooked is what I am here for What were Steve Jobs last words before he died?…….oh wow, oh wow, oh wow!

Explanation much appreciated!

1- I took note of this 2- eager to learn, but hardheaded as you might have noticed. In my field of work I am known as the guy that never let’s go of the bone 3- enjoy our exchanges also, but cannot promise you anything.😇

I found your post even more interesting than mine This is what caught my attention: This finding challenges existing models," he said, "suggesting there exist either vastly extended dark matter halos or that we need to fundamentally reevaluate our understanding of gravitational theory." Anything interesting revolving around this?

MOND vs. dark matter: Research suggests that rotation curves of galaxies stay flat indefinitely June 17 2024 The primary technique Mistele used in his research, gravitational lensing, is a phenomenon predicted by Einstein’s theory of general relativity. As part of the research, Mistele plotted out what’s called Tully–Fisher relation on a chart to highlight the empirical relationship between the visible mass of a galaxy and its rotation speed. In a discovery that challenges the conventional understanding of cosmology, scientists at Case Western Reserve University have unearthed new evidence that could reshape our perception of the cosmos. Tobias Mistele, a post-doctoral scholar in the Department of Astronomy at Case Western Reserve's College of Arts and Sciences, pioneered a revolutionary technique using "gravitational lensing" to delve into the enigmatic realm of dark matter. He found that the rotation curves of galaxies remain flat for millions of light years with no end in sight. The work has been published on the pre-print server arXiv. Scientists have previously believed that the rotation curves of galaxies must decline the farther out you peer into space. Traditionally, the behavior of stars within galaxies has puzzled astronomers. According to Newtonian gravity, stars on the outer edges should be slower due to diminished gravitational pull. This was not observed, leading to the inference of dark matter. But even dark matter halos should come to an end, so rotation curves should not remain flat indefinitely. Mistele's analysis defies this expectation, providing a startling revelation: the influence of what we call dark matter extends far beyond previous estimates, stretching at least a million light-years from the galactic center. Such a long range effect may indicate that dark matter—as we understand it—might not exist at all. "This finding challenges existing models," he said, "suggesting there exist either vastly extended dark matter halos or that we need to fundamentally reevaluate our understanding of gravitational theory." Stacy McGaugh, professor and director of the Department of Astronomy in the College of Arts and Sciences, said Mistele's findings, slated for publication in the Astrophysical Journal Letters, push traditional boundaries. "The implications of this discovery are profound," McGaugh said. "It not only could redefine our understanding of dark matter, but also beckons us to explore alternative theories of gravity, challenging the very fabric of modern astrophysics." Turning Einstein's theory on its head The primary technique Mistele used in his research, gravitational lensing, is a phenomenon predicted by Einstein's theory of general relativity. Essentially, it occurs when a massive object, like a galaxy cluster or even a single massive star, bends the path of light coming from a distant source. This bending of light happens because the mass of the object warps the fabric of spacetime around it. This bending of light by galaxies persists over much larger scales than expected. As part of the research, Mistele plotted out what's called Tully–Fisher relation on a chart to highlight the empirical relationship between the visible mass of a galaxy and its rotation speed. "We knew this relationship existed," Mistele said. "But it wasn't obvious that the relationship would hold the farther you go out. How far does this behavior persist? That's the question, because it can't persist forever." Mistele said his discovery underscores the necessity for further exploration and collaboration within the scientific community—and the possible analysis of other data. McGaugh noted the Herculean—yet, so far, unsuccessful—efforts in the international particle physics community to detect and identify dark matter particles. "Either dark matter halos are much bigger than we expected, or the whole paradigm is wrong," McGaugh said. "The theory that predicted this behavior in advance is the modified gravity theory MOND hypothesized by Moti Milgrom as an alternative to dark matter in 1983. So, the obvious and inevitably controversial interpretation of this result is that dark matter is a chimera; perhaps the evidence for it is pointing to some new theory of gravity beyond what Einstein taught us." More information: Tobias Mistele et al, Indefinitely Flat Circular Velocities and the Baryonic Tully-Fisher Relation from Weak Lensing. arXiv (2024). arxiv.org/abs/2406.09685 Provided by Case Western Reserve University Citation: MOND vs. dark matter: Research suggests that rotation curves of galaxies stay flat indefinitely (2024, June 17) retrieved 18 June 2024 from https://phys.org/news/2024-06-mond- dark-rotation-galaxies-stay.html https://phys.org/news/2024-06-mond-dark-rotation-galaxies-stay.pdf

1- but most often, science pays little attention to philosophy 2- my foolish mindset seems to still be of interest to some

1 to 3- the author’s point is that it was a “secular” not unsuccessful 4- he introduces mind as promoting a need to move towards subjectivity as I now do (see charonY post above); I reiterate, mind will not change the fundamental aspect of natural sciences, but the purpose of it all. Success would be in understanding mind, and possibly our role in the universe if such is the case 5- it does illuminate as it is more precise and detailed than what I had provided before; it helps’ explain my position.

1- your observation is correct. While stating that I wanted to reduce bias, especially materialist bias, I indicated that removing all forms of subjectivity was the way forward in dealing with the bias issue. This was an incorrect statement on my part. I should have said “controlling” this form of subjective thinking instead of “eliminating” all forms of subjective thinking. I also incorrectly stated that philosophy should play a limited role In science, but I am also backing away from this statement as this may very well be the discipline that helps us navigate through subjective thinking with rigour and rationality 2-agree also that it is mostly generalities, but nonetheless, it actually reflects my mindset on the subject matter. 3- If we find it important to study the subjective nature of reality, then science through philosophy will have to find a way of doing, and an improved way of doing so than the tools in use in other sciences

Fron “Science of the Subjective” by R.G. Jahn, B.J. Dunne, which captures more eloquently than I cloud, the need to amalgamate, once again, the subjective and objective parts of science. Over the greater portion of its long scholarly history, the particular form of human observation, reasoning, and technical deployment we properly term “science” has relied at least as much on subjective experience and inspiration as it has on objective experiments and theories. Only over the past few centuries has subjectivity been progressively excluded from the practice of science, leaving an essentially secular analytical paradigm. Quite recently, however, a compounding constellation of newly inexplicable physical evidence, coupled with a growing scholarly interest in the nature and capability of human consciousness, are beginning to suggest that this sterilization of science may have been excessive and could ultimately limit its epistemological reach and cultural relevance. In particular, an array of demonstrable consciousness-related anomalous physical phenomena, a persistent pattern of biological and medical anomalies, systematic studies of mind/brain relationships and the mechanics of human creativity, and a burgeoning catalogue of human factors effects within contemporary information processing technologies, all display empirical correlations with subjective aspects that greatly complicate, and in many cases preclude, their comprehension on strictly objective grounds. However, any disciplined re-admission of subjective elements into rigorous scientific methodology will hinge on the precision with which they can be defined, measured, and represented, and on the resilience of established scientific techniques to their inclusion. For example, any neo-subjective science, while retaining the logical rigor, empirical/theoretical dialogue, and cultural purpose of its rigidly objective predecessor, would have the following requirements: acknowledgment of a proactive role for human consciousness; more explicit and profound use of interdisciplinary metaphors; more generous interpretations of measurability, replicability, and resonance; a reduction of ontological aspirations; and an overarching teleological causality. Most importantly, the subjective and objective aspects of this holistic science would have to stand in mutually respectful and constructive complementarity to one another if the composite discipline were to fulfill itself and its role in society.

1- science is piercing the mysteries of ndes (see below) 2- the article does not help my cause, but the author shares my opinion that it will change things in natural sciences. My contention is that it will not change the fundamental, but the the purpose behind these science disciplines The Lancet, Dissociation in people who have near death experience: out of their bodies or out of their minds? By Bruce Greyson Dr Bruce Greyson, MD Background Some people who come close to death report having experiences in which they transcend the boundaries of the ego and the confines of time and space. Such neardeath experiences (NDEs) share some features with the phenomenon of dissociation, in which a person's self identity becomes detached from bodily sensation. This study explored the frequency of dissociative symptoms in people who had come close to death. Methods 96 individuals who had had self-reported NDEs, and 38 individuals who had come close to death but who had not had NDEs completed a mailed questionnaire that included a measure of “depth” of near-death experience (the NDE scale) and a measure of dissociative symptoms (the Dissociative Experiences Scale). Median scores in the two groups were compared with Mann-Whitney U tests. The association between depth of NDE and dissociative symptoms was tested by Spearman's rank-order correlation between scores on the NDE scale and the dissociative experiences scale. Findings People who reported NDEs also reported significantly more dissociative symptoms than did the comparison group. Among those who reported NDEs, the depth of the experience was positively correlated with dissociative symptoms, although the level of symptoms was substantially lower than that of patients with pathological dissociative disorders. Interpretation The pattern of dissociative symptoms reported by people who have had NDEs is consistent with a non-pathological dissociative response to stress, and not with a psychiatric disorder. A greater understanding of the mechanism of dissociation may shed further light on near-death and other mystical or transcendental experiences. AWARE—AWAreness during REsuscitation—A prospective study☆ Author links open overlay panelSam Parnia a, Ken Spearpoint b, Gabriele de Vos c, Peter Fenwick d, Diana Goldberg a, Jie Yang a, Jiawen Zhu a, Katie Baker d, Hayley Killingback e, Paula McLean f, Melanie Wood f, A. Maziar Zafari g, Neal Dickert g, Roland Beisteiner h, Fritz Sterz h, Michael Berger h, Celia Warlow i, Siobhan Bullock i, Salli Lovett j, Russell Metcalfe Smith McPara k…Elinor R. Schoenfeld a Show more Add to Mendeley Share Cite https://doi.org/10.1016/j.resuscitation.2014.09.004Get rights and content Abstract Background Cardiac arrest (CA) survivors experience cognitive deficitsincluding post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). It is unclear whether these are related to cognitive/mental experiences and awareness during CPR. Despite anecdotal reports the broad range of cognitive/mental experiences and awareness associated with CPR has not been systematically studied. Methods The incidence and validity of awareness together with the range, characteristics and themes relating to memories/cognitive processes during CA was investigated through a 4 year multi-center observational study using a three stage quantitative and qualitative interview system. The feasibility of objectively testing the accuracy of claims of visual and auditory awareness was examined using specific tests. The outcome measures were (1) awareness/memories during CA and (2) objective verification of claims of awareness using specific tests. Results Among 2060 CA events, 140 survivors completed stage 1 interviews, while 101 of 140 patients completed stage 2 interviews. 46% had memories with 7 major cognitive themes: fear; animals/plants; bright light; violence/persecution; deja-vu; family; recalling events post-CA and 9% had NDEs, while 2% described awareness with explicit recall of ‘seeing’ and ‘hearing’ actual events related to their resuscitation. One had a verifiable period of conscious awareness during which time cerebral function was not expected. Conclusions CA survivors commonly experience a broad range of cognitive themes, with 2% exhibiting full awareness. This supports other recent studies that have indicated consciousness may be present despite clinically undetectable consciousness. This together with fearful experiences may contribute to PTSD and other cognitive deficits post CA.

Difficult, but necessary. Natural sciences are more objective than social sciences. Psychology-psychiatry, medical sciences and some aspects of neurosciences have been improving and integrating more successfully the subjective nature of their disciplines. Answers obtained are less definitive than in the natural sciences, but getting more precise. Again, difficult, but necessary. In an article titled Materialism matters: The role of philosophy in science, Kieran Schlegel-O’Brien agrees wth me that”Without materialism, physics, chemistry, and biology as we know it wouldn’t exist.”

We do not know, at this time, the subjective explanation. We need to find that out. When looking at all of the hard and circumstantial evidence, most of the scientific community agree that a satisfactory explanation has been found

1- A valid explanation of how mind works and how life comes from matter 2- I do not indict science on the objective and the measurable, I indict science for establishing a worldview without mention of the subjective. We cannot leave mind and life without a satisfactory explanation. Dualism whereby the objective can be investigated in accordance with the scientific process and find another process for the subjective side and then establish a worldview that really fit reality. We will have to have to reconsile both at one point

Supernaturalism may or may not be required to explain mind and the living. One thing is certain though, science has not satisfactorily explained these two things through mechanistic-materialism lenses. That mind emerges from matter is not a satisfying answer. It’s almost like saying “because I say so”.

I stand to be corrected and yes what one can do is resist further overlap / intrusion where its not appropriate or pertinent - well said Agree, assertions that I will try and substantiate. I got vaccinated for covid and still caught it twice; possibly a lesser form, but who knows, like bias. 😊

Please substantiate?

Why not just follow the scientific process with objectivity in mind and not bring preconceived ideas into play. I may be naive, but why bring philosophy into science experimentation. A lawyer should be encouraged to be biased towards a legalistic worldview. The scientist should go where evidence goes, not where he thinks it should go. I admit being biased; can you? I question everything, but I am rarely right would be a better description of myself

The process is not immune to the people making use of the process. Actually, I made a mistake calling it an argument as it was my opening statement that I will now try to argument with evidence. However, a preliminary review of articles and documentation on the said statement showed limited information available. Notwithstanding, I will attempt to demonstrate that indeed science has been biased by this worldview. I admit that this will be a tall feat to accomplish.

I will respond this evening

1- You can indirectly investigate NDE’s by asking those, through a questionnaire, to describe their experiences and then analyse the data, for example. 2- i think that I have answered this, but again our concept of the living comes essentially from biology, so changing its paradigm to a non-mechanistic point of view will impact biology and have a trickle down effect on other science disciplines. What would science become if it was determined that mind works through brain and that life cannot be created solely out of matter? 3-you are correct in your statement, so I should maybe be looking at philosophy for answers 4- at least for mankind, it is the case that we want to understand the nature of reality and science is at the service of mankind and not the other way around

I have established that there is bias in science in general, that bias is being mitigated, but net entirely. there is one type of bias that is of particular interest to me and that is the worldview bias tainting science, so I do not need to identify and mitigate other biases. I would like then to focus our discussion on this matter. The issue though here is that there is much less data on this topic More to come It will be difficult to find the information again, but I will try. The point was to show that there are things to scientifically study even for obscure subjective topics such as ghosts

Starting tomorrow, I will be away for the next ten days and will be responding.sporadically. 1- yes, there is mind again and that is why it is important to know if it is through or from brain, as it will drastically change the picture that we have of our world 2- Even your definition mentions “a "one substance" view of the nature of reality,” I think that science studies more than behavior 3- So, who does the subjective to understand the nature of reality, which is the ultimate goal of humanity.

The doctrine of thinking that all there is in the universe is space, time, matter and energy is called physicalism.