John John

Thats all good but it doesn't get us to the edge of the fiscal universe.

In 1965 a small radio telescope called a horn detected what is now known as the universe's background radiation. For some time it was believed that we were in the center of the universe due to the fact that the detected radiation was even in all directions. But it was discovered that we were detecting the limits of time and that fell short of the real scale of the universe, so we now know we are most likely not in the center of the universe. The very center you say has no advantage, without it, we could not ever discover the limits of the universe.

Can you make a poem of it like you did on my Moon post?

So you are a poet, that helps. I tap dance we should get together.

So you haven't heard of released energy, only stored energy I take it.

So you have a disease, I am sorry.

Can science find God, I found God after finding science. What leads most people to God is the wonders of the world, the very things that science tries to make sense of. Whatever facts that science delivers only show what God has achieved. Without knowing how and why we can still know it is.

Why are you so immature and chasing me from post to post saying I am a troll?

You don't ask questions you just look for a fight, It is not my problem the James Web telescope has failed to fill your hopes. You really do love the word troll.

See, you fail to ask me a single question. Is it what I asked you or something else, please, and thank you. The theory of everything is related to all of the matter and energy in the universe. We have no way of knowing how the universe began and we have no way of knowing where the universe ends. We do know that the universe consists of matter and energy, and we don't know if anything else exists outside of matter and energy. This leaves only one possibility, the reality we live with and in, and that is matter and energy and it is only that we have to work with. The most prominent feature of the universe is energy in all of its forms, energy takes on matter and matter can return to energy under extreme situations. It is said that matter came into existence from energy, and it is predicted it will all return to energy again if the universe collapses. So without knowing the course or the end the theory of everything is a rebirth of all energy, or cold lost matter. We live in this reality and to think we can know more is rather hopeful. We know what we know and we don't know what we don't know.

I think the theory of everything can only be a concept and never realized. Without having full knowledge of the universe we can only guess. Ok, let us try again even if you cant ask a specific question. I stated that the theory of everything is all the matter and energy in the universe, so before I go on to explain further is this the question you would like answered, and if not what would you like to know, please?

I understand expation, each galaxy is moving away from each other not traveling together. The further out galaxies are expanding faster than the closer galaxies. but still only moving at the same speed relative to each other. Let's say it is cars on the road the car in front of you is going 10 km/h faster than you and the second car in front of you is going 20 km/h faster than you the speed of separation is only 10 km/h difference between each car. This is like the road is stretching not the cars moving by themselves.

That is true for you and anyone else who is convinced, but I am open to many possibilities. There have been scientific beliefs overturned before. The James Web wasn't sent out to prove science correct, it was to see if science was correct and try to learn more about the universe. Why are you so dominant and correct?

I don't deny the expansion I know it is real and things are progressively moving away from each other, but it is the way it is happening as a system. Most of the objects are moving away but some are getting closer in our general fascinate and it is this among many other things that makes the overall structure of the universe very difficult to predict. We don't know the size of the universe, and we don't know the shape. There is no big picture, not yet anyway, so it is open to interpretation as to the fundamental structure and dynamics of all things relating to the overall system we can see.

But you just stick to one side of mainstream science and have no time for the other side that is explored by science as well. So you are not open for discussion only your side. I you disagree with what I say ask a question or leave it alone for someone else to ask.

That is correct, I can't comprehend this at all. That is why I made an effort to explain my confusion regarding the rocket. I wish you could explain what it is that I need to explain to you. Very well. If it is moot then I have nothing to explain.

There is no proof of this concept of expansion and if it is true then the universe is wider than it is deep and we don't even know the size in any direction.

You equate a man made rocket going to an asteroid with the expanding universe. Man is very smart and all of the mathematics and science doesn't end when the rocket takes off. The rocket gets the probe on a course and then the probe is controlled as a separate entity. It is nothing like throwing a dart, the probe is controlled all the way making adjustments as it goes. It is man controlling the probe, Man does not control the universe. Your point is not helpful at all and makes a mockery of my post.

I don't think being asked a question relating to my post equates to special treatment, in fact I have only been insulted and ridiculed by others so where is the special treatment? Ask me a question and I will do my best to explain but you leave me with nowhere to go. Same thing ask me, I can't go back and find what it is you are after. I haven't proposed anything that mainstream science hasn't put forward at some point. This is why you must be positive in asking a question not just why. How hard is it to ask a question relating to what you would like to know? See you are just being silly now. You can ask silly questions but not intelligent questions relating to the topic.

If you believe the universe is expanding like a balloon that is fine, and if I believe it isn't expanding like a balloon that's fine as well. The model shows the balloon expansion and I get it, but you need to prove it correct just as much as I need to prove it otherwise. The other point is I never said the Balloon expansion was impossible or wrong so where do we go from there? We were only throwing around possibilities Why must I prove something I never even proposed as a certainty in my mind?

I wish some people could just ask a question without the attack, and some are just asking why without being specific. All this leads me to ponder without explanation. Some people make no effort and expect me to go over everything again rather than just make one point.

The big problem is we can't see far enough to make out the formation. It's the old story of the flea on the elephant's back. So many theories but they can't all be correct. I guess that is why the James Web telescope was employed hoping to see all but no luck. I think it is a losing game, no optical or radio telescope can reach or see the beginning or the end.

So you are saying it is radiating parallel lines like a laser or Sunlight to our small aperture?

I have had discussions with others but you just dirty the water. If you don't like what I say then go away and leave me to communicate with others. I know you would get much joy from having me kicked off the forum but I can't do anything about that. I have reframed from being angry and retaliating so you are trying to find other ways to get rid of me. I can see through you and others can as well.

I don't see why you would say that, to imply I am incredulous is to say I have no right to have my opinion or belief but you do. You are not helpful or a player in this only a hindrance.