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Ten Oz, I was depressed last night, looking at the amount of metropolitan areas in the world with over 20 million inhabitants. Yesterday I drove to our small local airport on volunteer business and noted that I only saw 4 people outside of vehicles and passed less than a dozen moving vehicles in a 5 or 10 mile trip. Quality of life, the amount of space I have to myself and people I know or associate with, is important to a person like myself with a touch of claustrophobia. When I was in Japan, I took a train from Tokyo to Yokohama and never left inhabited area, with 4 story apartment buildings and the like on either side of the tracks. Solid city, like the area near NYC in New Jersey, inside interstate 287 (minus the meadowlands and a few parks.) I live in an area protected by the NJ Highlands act. We voted for such protection of wild land and watershed, and wetlands. To improve our collective quality of life. I pay high taxes, cannot build except on existing footprints and such, so that others in my state have clean water, and a place to come to hike and boat and sightsee. In my youth the population of the Earth was 3 billion and the U.S. was like 180 million. We were at the time very concerned about population growth, growing at logarithmic rates and one of our social responsibilities was to have only two children. Replacement numbers. I only had two. Others have big families. Many children, sometimes the parents support the kids, and the family does well. Like the Catholic family I mentioned earlier. Other places the population grows quite outside my control and the people may or may not be concerned with social responsibility and with the responsibility of birthing only such offspring as you can support. I worked for a company that had a factory in China. My uncle visited China and told me of the factory complex that had a high rise apartment building where the workers lived, and a company store and such where the workers never left the complex. Reminded me of the iron works museum here in my town. We don't do it exactly that way, anymore, here in my town. People have their own place, where they can sit out on the patio and see trees and birds, and a handful of other houses. I remember one day when I was thinking about the factory in China, and looking out into my peaceful back yard, planted in a beautiful manner by my wife, how much I like living the way I live as opposed to living the way the employees of the same company I worked for, lived in China. You can have Cuba. I will take the U.S. Regards, TAR

to say nothing of the vehicles and ammunition and generators and other stuff we send into the area as humanitarian aid and assistance to anti ISIS fighters Everything we send into the area for whatever purpose probably goes through the hands of ISIS and into ISIS controlled marketplaces which enriches the Association, and its members. I think perhaps "to the victor, goes the spoils" is being utilized big time, in this abomination, that is Daesh. iNow, Why yes I do. As I have always supported my commander and chief. Why did you think otherwise? Regards, TAR But we are only going after the oil revenue. We need a way to disrupt the looting scheme on the ground. And that part of our strategy is not apparent. I am suggesting we think of a way to disrupt the scheme on the fighter enrichment level. This is going to take some good ideas. You have any?

Thread, I suggested earlier something about offering ISIS fighter 100 dollar and a promise to take them back to their town of birth...or something like that, thinking they were poor disadvantaged pawns of the ISIS leadership. Well I think that is not going to work one single bit. The ISIS fighters are part of a racket, where they get a fifth of the value of a looted item they were responsible for, and then when the item is put on the market in a loot market, they can purchase it at half its value. Steal three, and you can buy one back for yourself, with money left over. Legal looting. I think perhaps I should not have referred to Daesh as vermin, as that makes one think they are somehow lower forms of life. I think it perhaps better to think of these guys, the leadership, as having Unibomber type intelligence. And they have a scheme going, more workable to the fighter, that a pyramid scheme to a sales person. They have the guns and the go ahead to loot an area the size of England, and have a reliable fence to give them money for it in such a way as each fighter is in business for themselves and can become rich and powerful, by stealing for the association. I am sure some of the value of the food we airdrop in, winds up in a fighters pocket. No wonder they look so smug and victorious in the photos. No wonder they have such a powerful draw. We absolutely have to put these guys out of business, or they will take over the world. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/inside-the-isis-loot-market-%e2%80%94-heres-how-much-fighters-can-sell-their-war-spoils-for/ar-BBnIY4S?ocid=spartandhp Regards, TAR

Willie71, I have spoken to a number of wealthy people, who employ other people. That helps the economy, to hire people and pay wages and salary. And what is most under appreciated are wealthy people who own bonds. That money, the wealth they have created, is loaned back out to people with a good business plan, that hire people to build and operate a concern. And then there are the owners of businesses who put their money at risk. The accumulation of wealth, the people that put money in the bank for a rainy day, or that save up for a big purchase or a vacation provides money for the banks to lend out and allow people to live a good life and get the house and car and such that they want now. I was somewhat annoyed the other day, looking at perhaps retiring, that the amount I would get monthly was 75 percent of what I would get at full retirement age, if I continued to make what I was making when I stopped working, and every year I would make a small amount would lower the average of the last 35 of work that would be used to calculate the amount I would get, and I could work after retiring, but could only make 15 thousand before I would not be given my monthly amount, at the rate of 1 dollar less for every 2 dollars I made over the 15K. And somehow it made sense that that non payment would be accomplished by not paying me at the beginning of the calendar year in question? That some law makers can decide on my behalf that I don't need the money, is silly. I paid my social security tax, I should simply get what I signed up to get. I hate this arbitrary choosing of winners and losers and changing the rules in the middle of the game. Regards, TAR And the money I have in my 401K is not even mine yet. When I take it out I pay the taxes that I didn't pay when I put it in. Hopefully at a lower rate, but the scale keeps changing and my wife is still working, so to take it out to pay bills, I have to just get a percentage of it. If I would take it all at once, and get 50 percent of it taken in taxes, that would be downright robbery. My point is that my money should be my money, not your money to give me if I need it in your estimation. That is, since we don't live in a communist country...yet.

Besides, my state usually sends our electoral votes to the Democrat. Phi, I was down to the top of the Florida Keys a number of years ago, at a resort for an Eastern Region sales and service conference, for my former company. Within the gated resort was a road to a causeway to an island with mansions on it. I am sure that the rich and powerful in this country inhabit such isolated islands. I walked across the causeway but did not feel comfortable walking on the island. I did not belong there. I had no reason, to be there, other than curiosity. I left. But if some of the movers and shakers and important and powerful people in my country, did live there, then it was my country's leaders that lived there, and it was my island to respect, my power to maintain. The next day there was a story of a boatload of Cubans racing a coast guard cutter to shore, on a dock across from the island I just mentioned. The people on shore, some of my workmates were cheering for the people on the boat to set foot on our shores before the coast guard could stop the boat and send it back. The Cubans made it. We were happy and proud. Regards, TAR doctors in Cuba I hear, make a hundred dollars a month Phi, One man, one vote. Why not one man, one tithe? If someone making 15 thousand gives 15 hundred to support the place and protect our shores, and someone making 15000000 gives a million and a half, then that would be fair, and the second guy would be giving the part of the first man, 1,000 times over. But already the higher income people give at a graduated rate. And to support transfer payments to other men, already given tax credits to boost their ability to support their kids that they had of their own free will and that should be their responsibility to support. At what point is it not a fair tithe given to the poor, and instead becomes a punitive portion, taken by a communist state? Regards, TAR

iNow, you said that ISIS had killed less people than die on the nation's highways and we were too big to be scared by such Willie71, My step mom hates Trump, and doesn't like Hilary much, and will probably vote for Bernie even though he is socialist. I hate Trump, and might like Graham or Paul based on their debate performances the other night, but I think Hilary is one of those B words, and can not see her as my head of state, or my commander in chief. And Bernie is a socialist. I don't get to choose between Hilary and Bernie, anyway. I am registered Republican. If my choice is between Trump and Hilary in the election I will not know what to do. Maybe stay home. Regards, TAR iNow, My point being, that if you don't want me to be scared about people chopping a guy from Indiana's head off, then I don't want you to be scared about a kid spray painting a Mosque. Regards, TAR I will however not bring your name into arguments any more if that is your wish. I will just refer to your ideas.

In Poland, a NATO office was raided in the middle of the night by members of the new government. That is fascist.

But in your mind there are only two options. I am either flirting with fascism myself, or too stupid to see my party is. If I were to think you are supporting an authoritarian communist agenda by supporting Hilary and "It takes a village", or too stupid to see the unworkable path you are going down, you would not have any idea what I was talking about. You don't think perhaps there is a workable average we can take? As in perhaps you are a reasonable, moral person with good judgement, and I am a reasonable, moral person with good judgment and we should both work to keep the place working in a way that suits us both? Was reading an article yesterday about the rise in hate crimes against Muslims lately and that there have been nearly 50 cases reported nationwide of vandalism, cursing and several examples of physical violence, and a few violent crimes. The picture accompanying the article was that of a white, unsigned building, with the Paris peace sign painted on it. Using iNow's statistical level of when we should be afraid, I don't think we have reached the threshold. We are still being rather unfascist.

I do not agree that one should not conflate the individual with their team. The team would not exist were it not for the individuals in it. however it is important to remember that we each are on more than one team and that we each most likely have reservations about which plays our coaches are calling from time to time we each as individuals wear more than one hat family, friends, associations, talk boards, jobs, religions, philosophies, adherents to theories, partnerships, alliances, volunteer organizations, political parties, lake association, township, county, state, region, country, continent, world, solar system, galaxy, universe...there are a number of entities that each of us is a member of. and I daresay there is probably no two people with the exact same collection of teams that they are on, and that they need to please and side with I don't disallow nuance Phi for All. I expect it.

Phi, So ignore my comment and answer the question. Reading the new standards, in math, do they improve the education of our kids? Does it degrade or is it the same, in your opinion. Just reading the standards, without political considerations taken into account. My comment does make sense, however, and it is the answer to many conflicts, personal, in school and business, and in politics, local, national and global. If being right causes you to fight with your wife or neighbor or the guy on the highway, or in your town or state or country or on the other side of the ocean, maybe you could let the other guy be right, and have peace and work together, instead. Swallow your pride and kiss and makeup. Unless you draw a red line in the sand and declare war on the other side, it does not pay to be right, if being right makes you wrong, and you wind up sleeping alone. Phi, I realize that others feel continually that I argue from ignorance. That I overthink situations and miss the simple point. Well, usually I am talking about more things than the topic, and using the topic to explore the other things. Human psychology, my own concerns, my own existence and value, language, judgement, intrinsic value, love and the collective experience of this world that all humans share. In this, I have equal standing with the brightest minds and the dullest. I rank you as a friend, as I do most everybody here. I want everybody to win, to feel good, to feel right. So I look for the ways where that might be possible. Some things I am just going to have to be wrong about, but those things are up to me to figure out, and decide upon. Where I want to make the other feel good, at my expense, is my business. Where you, and the other people that are fed up with me might be right, is that I am concerned about being wrong, in your eyes. It makes a big difference to me, when I get neg reps, and when I get pluses. But I have always been genuine and if I press a point, it is because I have a point to make. Regards, TAR and it might not always be a point that you are willing to concede Here is the thing. I was up visiting some folks who have a wonderful, close, loving giving family. They run businesses, help charities, start orphanages, give people jobs, and basically make this world a better place, every day, in every way. I think they might be democrats, but they are Catholic, and one is quite rich and the others quite successful in the business ventures. In the real world, when they join hands and give thanks and I am there in the circle, it is the circle I am in. And they are my countrymen and the people that have my back as much as anybody here is and has. They are NOT the problem with America, even if one made a comment about Obama not doing it right, and another a comment about Muslim beliefs not being consistent with our constitution.

Phi,  "My incredulity at the sheer cumulative stupidity of fearful conservatives being manipulated by big business hasn't helped much, I will admit. I shake my head and nobody hears it rattle." Exactly. It doesn't pay to be right, if being right makes you wrong. Thinking Republicans, or Tea Party member, or Texans are bad, is akin to thinking all Muslims are bad. Regards, TAR If my country votes in a government that I don't agree with, I just have to wait 'til they vote in one I like a little better. If you are waiting for the world to get unreligious however, you might have a long wait. Better I think to find the good in people. Even people you think are wrong about this or that. Read the passage about what the new standards are, and see if you find any fault with them on their own merit. Do they make sense to you, as standards? Are they better, worse or the same, as standards we went by, when we went to school? Thread, And a little vote for conservatives. We have a fantastic society. The West has done great things since the Industrial revolution, the enlightenment, and the use of the scientific method, to solve our problems in food production, housing, transportation, medicine, predicting the weather, waging war, traveling to the moon, and every other progressive step we have taken since the dark ages. But progress is no good, without maintaining our gains. New ideas are not always well thought out. It pays to maintain your base, while you build higher. It is OK to take over the factory, but burning it down is just plain silly. above all, the situation has to remain workable elsewise it is unworkable war what is it good for absolutely nothing say it again

Phi, The voucher thing was so that people could send their kids to Catholic School or private school, and not be forced to also support the public school system. I went to private school and public school. I learned how to add subtract multiply and divide, and learned about evolution. Before common core. Regards, TAR

Well if that is the sensible order, why do you think schools were not already doing it right, without any guidance from above? That is the "insulting" part. the unfunded mandate part, I got from listening to a school board meeting where obtaining a certain math book was required to keep funding like we didn't already know how to add, subtract, multiply, divide and work with ratios and such without the "world class approach"

John Cuthber, I didn't rely on Fox news at all. I relied on a second grade teacher. That is more real world, than going by news reports or internet articles that may or may not be spun, have omitted information, or gotten something wrong. I wouldn't even begin to defend Fox, they are very bias, their spin is a given. But there are other authors on the internet, and pieces put out by various professional media people, that could spin the thing in the other direction. And just plain facts could be consistent with either a pro or against opinion. As is evident by me thinking the things posted were consistent with what I said, and you thinking that they showed me to be misled by Fox bias. You are looking for Fox to be wrong, not looking for common core to be wrong. How could you allow yourself to see any problem with common core, if that would mean that Fox was right about something? We all, republican and democrat, that are not under Trump's evangelical, reactionary wing, laughed at his shut down portions of the internet statements, because we know he is wrong about so many other things, that he has to be wrong about this as well...except... http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/are-isis-hackers-trying-to-destroy-the-internet/ar-BBnEEQy?ocid=spartandhp We have to work together against all things that threaten this place. Fighting each other is not notably helpful. Regards, TAR from state common core standards http://www.corestandards.org/read-the-standards/ Key Shifts in Mathematics Introduction The Common Core State Standards for Mathematics build on the best of existing standards and reflect the skills and knowledge students will need to succeed in college, career, and life. Understanding how the standards differ from previous standards—and the necessary shifts they call for—is essential to implementing them. The following are the key shifts called for by the Common Core: 1) Greater focus on fewer topics The Common Core calls for greater focus in mathematics. Rather than racing to cover many topics in a mile-wide, inch-deep curriculum, the standards ask math teachers to significantly narrow and deepen the way time and energy are spent in the classroom. This means focusing deeply on the major work of each grade as follows: ◦In grades K–2: Concepts, skills, and problem solving related to addition and subtraction ◦In grades 3–5: Concepts, skills, and problem solving related to multiplication and division of whole numbers and fractions ◦In grade 6: Ratios and proportional relationships, and early algebraic expressions and equations ◦In grade 7: Ratios and proportional relationships, and arithmetic of rational numbers ◦In grade 8: Linear algebra and linear functions This focus will help students gain strong foundations, including a solid understanding of concepts, a high degree of procedural skill and fluency, and the ability to apply the math they know to solve problems inside and outside the classroom. 2) Coherence: Linking topics and thinking across grades Mathematics is not a list of disconnected topics, tricks, or mnemonics; it is a coherent body of knowledge made up of interconnected concepts. Therefore, the standards are designed around coherent progressions from grade to grade. Learning is carefully connected across grades so that students can build new understanding onto foundations built in previous years. For example, in 4th grade, students must “apply and extend previous understandings of multiplication to multiply a fraction by a whole number” (Standard 4.NF.4). This extends to 5th grade, when students are expected to build on that skill to “apply and extend previous understandings of multiplication to multiply a fraction or whole number by a fraction” (Standard 5.NF.4). Each standard is not a new event, but an extension of previous learning. Coherence is also built into the standards in how they reinforce a major topic in a grade by utilizing supporting, complementary topics. For example, instead of presenting the topic of data displays as an end in itself, the topic is used to support grade-level word problems in which students apply mathematical skills to solve problems. 3) Rigor: Pursue conceptual understanding, procedural skills and fluency, and application with equal intensity Rigor refers to deep, authentic command of mathematical concepts, not making math harder or introducing topics at earlier grades. To help students meet the standards, educators will need to pursue, with equal intensity, three aspects of rigor in the major work of each grade: conceptual understanding, procedural skills and fluency, and application. Conceptual understanding: The standards call for conceptual understanding of key concepts, such as place value and ratios. Students must be able to access concepts from a number of perspectives in order to see math as more than a set of mnemonics or discrete procedures. Procedural skills and fluency: The standards call for speed and accuracy in calculation. Students must practice core functions, such as single-digit multiplication, in order to have access to more complex concepts and procedures. Fluency must be addressed in the classroom or through supporting materials, as some students might require more practice than others. Application: The standards call for students to use math in situations that require mathematical knowledge. Correctly applying mathematical knowledge depends on students having a solid conceptual understanding and procedural fluency.

John Cuthber, I put it together from things I heard and read. Regards, TAR If only I had made it up, I wouldn't be worried about it. on a further personal note my departed mom taught math and science at a private school for girls, my dad was the head of the psychology dept. at a small private college in NJ, my aunt taught literature at university, my cousin was a school principle, my second cousin teaches at a college in Viginia, a close personal friend of my dad, that I have known for scores and scores of years is the Scholar in Residence at a major U.S. university. And a relation is the 2nd grade teacher that I have spoken to on many occasions about this I taught technical classes myself and am not outside the realm of education in this country. I have no reason to make up what I have said. my step mom taught psychology at county college and my daughter teaches analytical chemistry as part of her doctoral program so no I can't back it up I did not record all the conversations I have had and those I have been privy to.

http://www.txcscopereview.com/2013/did-your-child-fail-staar/ John Cuthber, The debate for how and what we teach our kids is not a republican/democrat debate. And if it is, it should not be. The mind is not a commodity, not political fodder, and any one size fits all policy is in my estimation, lacking. The debate concerning what we teach our children and how we teach our children and who should be in charge is real and meaningful, but there are arguments for the federal government to be in charge, arguments for the state, the town school board, the superintendent, the teachers, the students, the tax payers, the parents, the students, the business community, the general public, and the universities, to be in charge. It is not a republican/democrat debate. And my reasons for not liking common core are my own. My own judgement. My own common sense, my own understanding of what it means to learn, and what a test should be used for. I brought up my opinion on the issue in reference to this thread, and my theme that our biggest problem is that we don't listen to each other, and treat each other with respect, as another human being with capability, trustworthiness, and intelligence. My intent was not to debate common core, but to point out that I could be against it for sensible reasons, and that demonizing those against it, as bigots or idiots or obstructionists, is not reasonable, fair or realistic. Regards, TAR

iNow, My premise in this thread is that the biggest problem we have is that we don't trust each other to have good judgement and legitimate reasons to hold our opposite opinions. Concern about Presidential overreach is a legitimate concern, and brought up in your link, as a reason why it was a bad move for Obama to link a program of his, with a formerly accepted program. Regards, TAR

iNow, "The law’s backers on both sides of the aisle say that the Obama administration made a crucial error by coupling Common Core with Race to the Top, a Department of Education program that created a competition among states to adopt a series of education reforms. It brought back more bad memories of No Child Left Behind and its heavy hand. For the right, Common Core had become the educational equivalent of Obamacare at a time when conservative anger about executive branch overreach was off the charts." Why is concern about executive branch overreach not an allowable concern? Regards, TAR

From just the video posted, I thought my objections were found to have a basis in fact. I took that as enough. My other evidence is anecdotal and obtained from conversations with a 2nd grade teacher. I will not name this source. But he/she is aware of the order in which concepts are supposed to be taught, and the punitive nature of the response to having your class not showing they have learned the concepts required. And this system does not take properly into consideration the lower quality of students that come from uneducated households, without books, nor students with behavioral issues, nor students with English as a second language. Besides, the point of my argument, in reference to the thread, is that such a thing as education is not a Democrats are right, Republicans are obstructionist, type of area of interest. Democrats could find fault with common core and standardized testing, same as a Republican could. And a Republican does not have to object because they are obstructionist, but can object because they object.

John Cuthber, I don't have to say anything. Core curriculum and standardized tests crumble under their own weight. Regards, TAR and I believe the correct English tense to use is "gotten lost"

Ten Oz, My president is still in favor of regime change in Syria. It is hard for me to know all the reasons for why he might be in favor of such. I am looking for a way to suspend such wishes, in the name of peace for the Syrian people, AND to simultaneously remove a worse threat to peace and human rights and women's rights than even Assad could present. I wish I could remember the article that stated the U.S. long term plan against terrorism, suspended after Iraq and Afghanistan, that took us, into Syria and Libya, and some Arab Peninsula states, and some other African states, and elsewhere. We simply do not want terrorists to have a state from which they can plan, finance and launch attacks against us. We might have some difficulties, like with the Taliban, where we have to put some boots on the ground to keep the powers in a country, from protecting our enemies . I am thinking that boots on the ground, in terms of special forces is already our president's plan against ISIL in Iraq. And we are probably helping the Kurds and the Turkmen as well. But we need authorization to go further. Authorization from Assad is the only way I see it working. Put our power behind Assad's forces, but in a way that the Turkmen and the Kurds would not suffer retribution. We have to change our stance to accomplish this. As we would have to change our stance to sit down with Assad in the first place. Question is, should we suspend our support for the Arab Spring, temporarily, to get hunting rights to trespass on Assad's property to kill the fox that just stole eggs from France's henhouse? Regards, TAR No, I don't know why. If the U.S. is going after Assad for his connection to Saddam and his guard, in the first place, there is a chance he would be just as much pro guard as pro U.S. Regards, TAR so if we separate the guard from the caliph, the caliph would just be a hot air bag

Ophilolite, If I, or members of my family or close circle of friends have sponsored children, or established homes for crippled women in India, or done any good works, you cannot accuse me of not thinking about starving children. You know darn well that support for disaster victims flows generously from the U.S., both from the government, and the 1000 points of light. We illuminate the place. You can't blame me for the evil lurking in the corners. Nor, in the theme of "who is whose parent" can you assume that my not eating my peas is causing a child to starve in Biafra. Regards, TAR Ten Oz, Perhaps it could work out, without our boots on the ground. But look at what happened with Maliki after our police force left Iraq. I am not thinking we should make a 180 degree turn here. Regards, TAR

While having respect for Muslims and Arabs in general, by simultaneously suspending our support of the Arab Spring in that our support helped to cause 240,000 deaths, and helping to defend Syrians against the criminal organization Daesh, which only as an aside also has in the past and promises to, in the future, kill Western innocents.

Assad has been trying to fight the rebels with limited success. Raqqa now belongs to ISIS and is their stated capital. Assad has the help of Hezbullah, and Iran and Russia and hence has soldiers and tanks and planes and bombs, and cannot get Raqqa back. We have, for the last however many years been in favor of a regime change in Syria. We have poured millions into the training and supplying of Syrian rebels, to dethrone Assad. Simply walking away and turning our back would be breaking faith with the people we have supported and they would be just as much terrorists and rebels to Assad as they were before we walked away. Reprisal killings would occur and our friends would die, along with Daesh. Plus Assad has not been able to get Raqqa back, with the current alignment of forces. This should not be a proxy war between Russia, the U.S. and Iran. The common power to rally around, against Daesh, is the Syrian people, and as is the reality of the situation, the Syrian President. To walk away would be to condemn our friends to death. Better to make Assad our friend, and be there in person to protect our rebel friends, and dispatch our rebel enemies as is appropriate. This would require boots on the ground. U.N. forces, doctors without borders, humanitarian groups and Arab policemen of all sorts, but Daesh is tough and smart, rich and strong, and will not go quietly. They are Saddam's guard that we never finished tracking down. We have the special forces, the capability and knowhow, the intelligence and the power, to go in, and get them out of Raqqa.

You know France is in a state of emergency. They are just as moral and Western and progressive and socialist as they were two months ago. But they have temporarily suspended a few rights, as we did in the U.S. after 9/11. I would love to wait with my wife at the gate when she is flying to Atlanta. I can't now, because of Bin Laden. It is impossible to stop other people from hurting other people. Plain impossible. Doing harm is so freekin easy. Helping people is hard. Sometimes being right is not important, if being right makes you wrong. Except, since 9/11 I have been cautious of the evil that exists in the world, that would take down the world trade center. WORLD TRADE center. I need to stand against those folk. If they say I am the devil and they need to strive against me, the sides have been chosen already. Whether I take interest is up for debate, whether I allow people to laugh at the prophet however, is not up for debate. I have already maid up my mind. But these things are debates on one level and are debates between good people. Daesh has been acting like criminals and insane killers. Such things are not up for debate. So there might be an argument to pay the protection money so the store doesn't have a fire. But I think the argument is better for finding the mob boss and putting him behind bars. (or shoot him in the shootout) It has nothing to do with liking Italian food. Or with hating eating squid.