dr.syntax

Oh well. wrong again. I`m on a real streak of some sort here. Sorry, ...Dr.Syntax

No we don`t and there are three not two. You are a moderator. As far as I`m concerned you should keep the one thread titled " ALL ABOUT SOLID STATE WATER " posted in the classical physics subforum and bury the rest of them in the the trash forum or whatever it is called. I created the threads and you have my permission to do so if that is of any help to you in doing so. ...Dr.Syntax .... Please note I did not create the freeze people in liquid nitogen thread. There are the two as you stated. ...DS

REPLY: Another example of the erosion of privacy rights in " THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE ". Why wasn`t she arrested for trespassing and beining A PEEPING MOM ? This is outrageous and I hope he finds the means to sue her and the police for this a truly contemptuous disregard for any previous privacy rights that might have existed in our Nation. Snooping on fellow citizens has become somewhat of a National pastime in our Nation that seems to me to be encouraged by many involved in law enforcement and portrayed by many as some sort of virtue. I despise such activity and hope people start fighting back. ...Dr.Syntax

REPLY: This may be true for this pizza chain you referred to. But this is not true of all the organizations devoted to gathering and selling information about every one they can. Also, it was not one hair salon I visited that REQUIRED my telephone number but all of the three different ones I visited. I informed them I do not like giving ot my phone number to strangers and was told it was required. So it was not something being done to help me in anyway as I was clear about not wanting to go along with this policy. As I stated , when people I don`t know ask me for my phone number I tell them I don`t have a phone. I have never been refused service yet when using this tactic. Big Brother is Alive and watching you. If you doubt this do a google search using only your name and see what pops up. Also pay attention to all the websites offering to provide much more information about you for about 25 to 30 dollars. Do that and tell me you have no concerns about this issue. Whatever, ...Dr.Syntax

There is such a thing called: SOLID STATE WATER that has the properties I discussed in a previous posting. The way of making this SSW is based on the same principal I discussed in my earlier thread. The method described here is that water vapor is exposed to a very cold substrate and the water vapor changes to a solid state rapidly enough so that those permanent hydogen bonds that exist in the thus formed solidified water exist in the same ratio as water, more or less diorganized as opposed to the very well organized hydrogen bonds that exist in normal ice. For a well presented article discussing all this including charts and diagrams go to:[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice#phases ] . I wish to note that it was forum member: GDG that brought this wiki piece to my attention and I thank him for doing that. Regards, ...Dr.Syntax Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedI am not sure which wikipedia website best describes my previous speculations. I viewed a number of the different links provided there. Thanks to fellow forum member Klynos this one was presented to me. [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_high_density_amorphous_ice ]. The section discussing : " hyper quenched glassy water most closely resembles what I had in mind. So as to leave no doubt in anyone`s mind: I quite obviously did NOT come up with any new concept or original discovery as I previously said I may or might have. Sincerely, ...Dr.Syntax

REPLY: I don`t blame you for getting angry and frustrated with me. That article does not refer to it as solid state water. I did not come up with that word by myself as far as I recall. But it seems a good one for what I am describing. Thanks to KLYNOS [ thank you KLYNOS VERY MUCH ], I found one of the articles I read located at: [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_high_density_amorphous_ice ]. The method that most closely relates to what I had previously described is called : " hyper quenched glassy water.This form of ice,solid water, is described as being very stable. ...Dr.Syntax Sincerely, ...Dr.Syntax

This solid state water exists and the method used to produce it is basically what I said would create it. There is a website provided by our good friends at wikipedia that discusses all this. Here is the website that goes directly to all this information. Go To: [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice#Phases ]. Diagrams and charts are provided. Also, I started a new threat regarding all this in the " Classical Physics " subforum titled : " All About Solid State Water. I wish to note that it was forum member GDG who pointed this website out to me in another thread that is related to this subject. My thanks to all who participated in this discussion. Sincerely, ...Dr.Syntax

REPLY: I am old enough that no would doubt I was way over 21. I would say she spent about 2 minutes taking information from my drivers license and doing something with it. Also, I have purchased beer at other locations here in New York State and never been asked for my driver`s license. The whole incident angered me and makes me paranoid as to what she was up to. There is another thing I have noticed that is an entirely new phenomenon. This happened in Iowa. Every where I went to get a hair cut of all things. they would demand I give them my phone number. The first time I went along with it. Now I tell them I don`t have a phone. I know these incidents are not some horror story. But I see it all, and especially those awful EULAs you pretty much have to agree to if you want to use a computer as an increasing toward the loss of what few privacy rights still exist. There are organizations, both public and private devoted to gathering as much information as possible about each and every one of us to use for whatever reason they wish to. They sell this information to anyone willing to pay for it. This disturbs me greatly. That whole " BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU " has become all to real. Regards, ...Dr.Syntax...... Hello iNow. I just realized it was you i was responding to. I appreciate your taking an interest in this issue and truly do wish you well. ...Dr.Syntax

REPLY: This is facinating stuff. If they can do it with a wolf they should be able to do it with a person. I`m going do a search and see if I can find a website that discusses this. I never heard of this. This is the sort of thing science fiction writers have been writing about for decades. ...Dr.Synntax Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedI found some articles about dogs having saline solution added to thier blood,being cooled enough to be declared dead [ no heartbeat ? ] and being reanimated, That`s about all I could find. Sorry, if this stories out there I could not find it. Dr.Syntax

REPLY: Some of the reasons for poor memory are : drug and alcohol use, stress, lack of sleep, trauma such as a serious injury or the loss of a loved one. Anyone of those factors alone could result in serious memory problems. There are some diseases or chronic conditions that would require a medical examination to determine. Stress alone can literally kill you. ...Dr.Syntax

Young people nowdays seem to take it for granted that Governmental and private entities of ANY sort nave some RIGHT to gather as much information as they can aquire about you for any purpose they may wish to. If you have any doubt about that read the different EULAs you have electronically agreed to. A good example would be the" Adobe EULA ". No one ever reads them, but they are legalling binding contracts that inform you that they can gather any information about you for any reason whatsoever. Not only they can pass this information on to anyone for any reason. Also that you shall no recourse should any harm come to you by their SHARING this information with affiliates and third parties. An invasion of my privacy happened to me today. I was asked for my drivers license when buying some beer. So what you say. Well, she wasn`t verifing my age , she went and recorded specifics about me into some computer system. I asked her what are you doing and she told me she was required to do this. I asked by who. She said by the State of New York. I took the beer and left, I think she lied to me because this has never occurred with me here in New York before. If it is true it is some new police spying system some dickhead dreamed up and will be happening more and more, I have been living outside of New York for less than a year,so maybe there has been some change in the laws which would only emphasize my point in all this. What has happened to: THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE since I was a young man sickens me with the passive non-response by the public as the Corporations and Government intrude ever more into our private lives. ...Dr.Syntax

REPLY: I do not appreciate your snide comments directed at me " I think he knows about the structure of graphite ".If he knows so much about it why is asking questions regarding it`s properties. Also, why make this reference to my posting at all ? I was trying to be helpful. Why this ridiculing directed at me. I am fed up with it. I`m through taking crap from any one. ...Dr.Syntax

This form of ice does exist. It is called: SOLID STATE WATER. Also, every conclusion I stated was correct, including the essence of how I proposed such , what I now know is called Solid State Water, could be produced. To view the wikipedia article dealing with all this, go to : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice#phases . It is also called : AMORPHOUS ICE. There is a lot there in article about different forms of ice and SOLID STATE WATER. This article confirms every thing I proposed, even the way to creat it. Though the method described does not require liquid helium, a substantially colder substrate is used to expose water vapor to. The principal being the same: that if water can be formed into a solid rapidly enough the hydogen bond ratio remains the same as liquid water and hence its name : SOLID STATE WATER. Maybe with a name change such as: "All About SOLID STATE WATER"this thread could be placed back in the physics forum. Evidently most members here in this forum are unaware of all this. ...Dr.Syntax

REPLY: Just because someone is a quantum physicist does not make them right about everything. do they not often debate amongst themselves what is true or not true about some aspect of the work they do ? Also, there is much about being alive and life itself which leads me to conclude that in some ways some,NOT ALL, think in such abrstract ways that they lose track of much of what is important about life. Many of them are regular guys who are also physicists. I admire many of them. Richard Feynman and only very recently Albert Einstein are among those I admire. ...Dr.Syntax

REPLY: Well my deductions were correct in all regards,except It was already known. What I was describing is called solid state water with the hydrogen bond ratio the same as water but in a solid state. I pretty much assumed if I thought of it, it is very likely someone else had previously. It was a very simple concept to come to. I want thank you for pointing me to that website. It confirmed my conclusions. Regards, ... Dr. Synyax

Why would there be excess energy to account for ? The energy change involved would be relatively small to begin with. The vast difference in the temperature of liquid helium and water very close to it`s freezing point is not much. The small energy exchange involved would go to the liquid helium. The melting point of helium is -272.60 C water is 0 C . ...DS Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged REPLY: IF THAT IS TRUE UNDER THESE EXTREME CONDITIONS THEN WHAT I proposed IS NOT POSSIBLE . I don`t know, you may very well be right. But would`nt the vast temperature difference be the necessary external force ? Under extreme conditions the usual rules do not always apply. I am not saying you are wrong, only that I don`t know. ...DS

repy: As long as it remains frozen, a solid, it`s molecular structure,ARRANGEMENT, would not change. ...DS

REPLY: A form never conceived of previously AS FAR AS I KNOW. This ice would have the same ratio of hydrogen bonds as liquid water at very close to the freezing point of water,but which is still a liquid. It seems to me by pouring a small amount of such water into liquid helium it might freeze so rapidly that the ratio of hydrogen bonds would not change significantly though the bonds would remain permanent as long as this super-fast frozen ice was kept cold enough to remain a solid. In normal ice pretty much all of the hydrogens bond to an oxygen and form the space filling structures that makes normal ice lighter than liquid water. I am aware of some other forms of ice that are heavier than water but they are entirely different structures requiring high pressures and special conditions to exist. This super-fast frozen ice would not require special conditions once created. If you want to kick it over to speculations I will see no fault in that. The reason I posted it where I did was that I had been developing these thoughts and posting them in the thread about putting a person in liquid nitrogen and realized I had a new concept developed and posted which could allow some quick thinker to post on it as his idea. I wanted my concept time and date stamped. It may turn out others had aleady thought of it. I`ve been googling it and found none yet.Also it may not be possible to do. That is it. ...Dr.Syntax

REPLY: Explain how it can ALL be gone. However many times you split the number in half there is always some left. I don`t understand how it could be otherwise. ...ds

This is a new and original concept AS FAR I KNOW. This concept is that if water could be changed from a liquid to a solid fast enough that the ratio of hydrogen bonds existing in this " SUPER-QUICK FROZEN ICE" would be the same as that of water close to it`s freezing point. There would be no permanent hydrogen bonds as exists in normal ice. The proof that this prior to now, unconcieved of form of ice was formed would be that it would sink in water unlike normal ice that floats in water.The reason it would sink is that it would have the same ratio of hydrogen bonds as water close to it`s freezing temperature and no more permanent hydrogen bonds than the number of hydrogen bonds that exist in lquid water at any given time. Permanent hydrogen bonds would exist in the same ratio of hydrogen bonds that exist in water close to freezing temperature. It would sink in water because it would be colder and denser . As far as I know this concept is a new one and original to me: Dr.Syntax. I time and dated this earlier and will do so now at 3:17 AM October 23,2009. ...Dr.Syntax Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged REPLY: The way to create SUPER-QUICK FREEZED ICE would be to bring a quanity of water to the coldest temperature you can WITHOUT FREEZING IT and then pour it into liquid helium. Liquid nitrogen might work also. I time and date this statement at 3:40 AM EST October 23, 2009 . ...Dr.Syntax

REPLY: You presumptuous ass . Who are you to determine what is relevant in someone else`s posting. He posted it the way he chose to which included concern for the reviveability of the frozen person.As did ALL of the followup postings. How can YOU possibly decide for HIM what is relevant ? Also, this thread was reintroduced today by Shaykers, not me. I responded to a current posting. And what is wrong with someone responding to an older thread. Who are you to decide what is appropriate for fellow forum members to respond to or post about. Who the f,,k do you think you are ? ...Dr.Syntax Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged REPLY: It seems obvious to me the freezing of a human body by any means would result in the same fatal destruction of cells because of those inescapable hydrogen bonds that become permanent when water freezes. The oxygen atoms attach themselves to those hydrogen atoms in a permanent manner when water freezes until and unless the water thaws and becomes a liquid. Water freezing destroys cells permanently when the water in those cells freezes because it expands from it`s liquid state forming crystaline structures that tear the cells complex structures apart. No matter how fast a humans body freezes, the results will be the same.It may be possible with micro-organisms if this freezing occurs so fast that the hydrogen bonds are not locked in place so to speak. A different form of ice , lacking permanent hydrogen bonds, does seem possible. This form of ice would sink in water. This would seem to me an interesting project for any student or professional scientist. It would be certain to be a noteworthy achievement. I give away some of my best ideas. I did not read any of this from any source. As far as I know this idea originated here and now with me. The proof would be that the ice sinks in water. There is a great idea for a doctoral in physics or chemistry. ...Dr.Syntax ... PS: The reason this form of ice would sink in water is that it would have the same ratio of hydrogen bonds as liquid water and would contract as the temperature decreased thereby increasing it`s density. Ice is colder than water. This"super-quick freezed ice" would be a new invention as far as I know, as is the concept itself, original to me as of here and now: Dr.Syntax. 2:28 AM EST October 23,2009 ...Dr.Syntax

REPLY: English is the language used at the Science Philosophy Chat Forum. I have had a number of very satisfying discussions in the philosophy side of that forum. It is an active forum and you will get replies. ...Dr.Syntax

Reply: What is the goal of this topic ? To find a means of achieving human suspended animation or to find the fastest way of freezing a human being without regard as to whether the person lives or dies ? I presented this information STUPIDLY ASSUMING THAT SURVIVAL of the human being frozen was the desired goal. How stupid of me to think that way. ...Dr.Syntax ... Oh golly, you better report me to the monitors for being off topic if you have not already done so. It is thinking such as yours that stifles much of the free flow of ideas that at times could result in real answers to real problems. ...Dr.Syntax Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged REPLY: I just reread the original posting and the survival of the frozen person was a mentioned concern of his as it was in most of the follow up postings. Perhaps I was not as off topic as you said I was. ...Dr.Syntax

REPLY: A rather extreme example of adaptation is found in the EASTERN WOOD FROGS which are found North of the Arctic Circle. As the frog slowly freezes over several hours they pump large amounts of glucose anti-freeze into their cells. They stop breathing, heart beat stops, and all brain activity stops. Sixty seven percent of their bodies freeze hard. This information taken from WONDER QUEST at : http:http://www.wonderquest.com/FrogsPolar.htm . ...Dr.Syntax

reply: How does helium destroy lung tissue ? ...ds Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged reply: the question was : what gasses can be safely heated ? I say my answer is the best one possible. N2 When heated enough,reaches a high enough temperature to combine with oxygen and create nitrous oxides. Given the limited parameters of this question I say helium is the best possible answer. ...DS