sepultallica

im sure that it can pinpoint an exact coordinate but can it be used as a tool in the field in this instance? maybe if these formations were a couple hundred miles apart otherwise, i dont think so.

yeah, so gps would not help out any although presise measurements on paper and on crops are two different things. but i do know that minor miscalculations would not matter as a crop circle. they arent meant to be viewed up close.

i dont know that gps systems would be able to coordinate details such as in crop circles. especially when we're talkin of a few feet. they not that precise are they?

i cant spell worth crap.

. yeah, i dont know that computers would be needed. i just think that presice calculation before hand would suffice. as long as all the measurements add up on the groung then they should look like the projected design.

yea, me and one other person.

havent posted here in a while but i found thism topic interesting. i have actual experience making crop circles. i have ma de two of the measuring around 50' each. each on different occasions. before i moved to LA, i lived in a farming community in california called the Imperial Valley. agriculture was its strong point in the community so there were plenty of fields. i happened to live next to many fields and a small airport. i saw that special on tv where them folks used the plank method to creat crop circles. being that there was absolutely nothing to do in this community, i decided to give it a shot, with hopes of getting this on our local news. surely next to an airport, people would see the circles. well, a friend and i got to work and we made a 50' circle. man, we were there all night doing this. and it looked like crap. it was definitely a crop circle but a pathetic looking one. it made the news. they showed it for about 30 seconds and said that the the owners were goping to prosecute the people responsible. i didnt strike there again but my secon attempt was better than the first and in a different field. the second didnt get any coverage. oh well. this one was a little neater. after having done this, i started thinking, if it took me that long to do and i still obtained less than desirable reults on the formation, it would be almost impossible to make formations as have been recorded. i just cant see it happening. but then again, there are some pretty dedicated and bored people in this world. i cant say that aliens are responsible for these things. if i had to say it was from aliens, then i would have to leans towards them making for communication. i dont think that these formations would nessasarily be intended for us to interpret as signals though. if that were the case, there would be a hundred better ways to communicate with us. hell, why leave the formations on earth where they could be thought of as hoaxes? why not put them on the moon? that would be a clear indication of communication. if not communication, then what? maybe we could take the approach that was taken in the movie signs with mel gibson. the biggest drawback to saying that they were man made would be that the persons making them would not be able to see their creations as they were being made. they wouldnt be able to see if they were on the right track. but if they were taking presice measurements, and they had made all the calculations beforehand, then they could do it. gots to go.

they're illegal for a reason aren't they?

anyone care to discuss the negative side to drug use? it can't all be good can it?

better to be open about it than to lie about and have to deal with the cheating and the lie. not just the cheating. mathematics.

good points.

so she should have to have the child even if it means that it's going to ruin an entire family?

you bring up a good point though. everybody attacks the woman because she is the one having the child. why not the man.

sorry man, i know my choice of words were kind of rough but i didn't have much time to put everything together and make it look nice. as far as the having sex part, i think that it would be harder to regulate men because they aren't the ones having the kids. sure if possible why not? it mnakes sense. if there is a way to identify them then sure. i'm a firm believer that the woman has the final say. we can debate that the man has just as much say but i don't see it that way. but either way, it's easier to stop it with the woman. and besides, it's the woman having the baby. it's her body. she should be the one taking care of herself. just like the man knows that if he does get her pregnant, he has to suffer the consequences (child supprt) the woman should bear some of the burden. if she wants to point the finger and say it was him and it can be proven, then fine, penalize him too.

i'll post some more thoughts but again, i had to stay late at work so i had a little spare time but now i must go.

scenario 6. a woman engages in sexual intercourse and takes reasonable steps to prevent a pregnancy. despite her efforts, she becomes pregnat. she does not want to bear the child. should she be forced to have the child or should she be ab;e to elect to terminate the life? well first off, you have the issue of whether you will even make abortions legal. if no then there is no debate on the ethics/morlas of these scenarios. if we are to allow them, then how would we regulate it. should the government be involved? should it be allowed would the government need to play a role in it? would society benifit from the government regulating it? i think that the government should be involved. i think that it is better to ruin one life than two. if a woman makes a mistake, she should be granted the choice to abort. i believe that there should be restrictions on this. first time, slap on the hand. anything after that, fines and imprisonment. obviously if we allow abortions, then the most notable case that abortion would e acceptable would be in scenario 1. this has got to be the most obvious ... should we allow a woman to give birth if her circumstances are similar to that of scenario 2? i think not. no need to bring a life in to this world that cannot possibly enjoy it. should we allow a woman that lives at the expense of society? welfare? of course not. we should prevent the birth and asses penalties if she persists.

scenario 5. a woman becomes pregnate. she is perfectly capable of raising the child and living in a normal family atmosphere. but for some reason, she doesn't want to have the child. should she be forced to have the baby? 6. the population of the world has escalated to over 12 billion. population control has taken on a whole new meaning to the point that the government has resorted to restricting the amount of children that a family can have. a women becomes pregnat. she already has the maximum amount of children alloted. what should happen?

i'll be back in a cou8ple minutes to express my thoughts.

scenario 4. a woman becomes pregnant. she has been living off welfare for the past three years. she is unemployed and homeless. she is not capable of financially raising the child. should she be permitted to give birth? scenario 5. a woman becomes pregnant. she uses narcotics on a regular basis and is addicted. it is not likely that she will stop using drugs. should she be permitted to have the child?

if you haven't gathered from all my other posts, i'm a firm believer in the government's ability to oversee certain programs, and its potential for doing more with others. with that in mind, i would like to focus this this thread on abortion. i searched and didn't find any other threads on it. similar to other threads in these forums, this topic has the potential to stimulate thought and debate so i'll start it off. with my belief that the government should oversee all aspects of the medical industry, i believe abortions should fall within this realm. i believe that abortions should be legalized. of course with certain restrictions and enforcements. 1. we've all heard the argument of the woman that's been aped and becomes pregnant. some states allow abortions, some don't. should she be required to go through the pregnancy? suppose the woman didn't want the child. should she have to suffer and possibly ruin her life just so she can put the child up for adoption? in a sense, we would be ruining two lives. mathematically speaking, wouldn't it be better if we ruined one life? screwed up way of looking at it but it's true. 2. next scenario. a woman becomes pregnant. she currently has three children. all of which have major physical and mental deformities, and all of which could not be prevented. while the mother wants the child, we know that the chances for this child is born with deformites is great. should she be allowed to bear this child? 3.a woman is married and has a family with children. the woman becomes pregnant with onother man. should she be allowed to give birth? the family stands a great chance of becoming troubled with the child. cheating is bad. families might be able to overcome that. but it would definately be harder to overcome it with a child that is not of the family. and if abortions are controlled by the government, should the government take the initiative to prevent the birth? since it would be a legal issue. more scenarios to come. have to use the restroom

you guys don't think that it would be nessasary to regulate it if it was brought up to a major scale? i think so.

so prostitution in the traditional sense is legal in Nevada? really? i think i need to relocate.

naw, that won't work. i don't think they'll break if you shoot them at water though. maybe a water suit?

how would you regulate? i don't know. maybe institutionalize it. make clinics for it. have a branch of the government oversee it. similar to the health department with restaurants. bring in phsycologists and medical doctors to consult or even run/prescribe. setting it up would be the pain. keeping it running would be the easy part. there's a million people thinking shit up in this world. it would be easy to draft something up for this.

i can agree with the divorce rate going up. i'm sure that's not something we would want happening but i'm sure it can be worked out. if the profession is to be institutionalized, maybe have a probationary period similar to gun registry where the company reshearches an individual. even though if a partner has to resort to prostitution, then are they mentally fit to be in a marrige? do they really need to be in a marrige? for the rapists, molesteres..., what if it was more along the lines of a rehabilatory matter? could that be incorporated into a theraputic system? even if it wasn't for rehabilitation, it could be a form of prevention for them. i don't know the statistics on this but i'm sure that a good percentage of rapistst resort to due a lack of sexual intercourse. and yea, those lonely people might resort to robery to fund their habbit.