bombus

Err, did you actually READ that link? Or just see the title, make a judgement and skim through without taking anything in?

Anyway, here's another, note the date it was written!

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19817.htm

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Have you seen the videos of Palin's Third Wave church (the one that was scrubbed from YouTube)? It sounds like if Palin were to become president, she would most likely take it as a sign from God that Armageddon was near and the job of cleansing God's enemies was hers, mandated by the Almighty. Those extremists in the video clearly think this life is worthless compared to what's waiting on the other side. I think a president should be all about *this* life, thanks very much.

 

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/13/1538/09770

Sorry to blaspheme but JEEZUZ CHRIST! A religous nutter with suicidal tendencies as VP. For all our sakes, vote OBAMA, vote Nader, vote for Daffy Duck if you like, but NOT McCain/Palin!!

That was the ultra-swiftboat-right argument in 2000. I disagree, since he has worked in congress for many years and has worked quite well with others. Now, having Palin in charge, that is a different matter...

What if he does kick the bucket while in office and Palin is suddenly put in charge?

DictatorialCommunistUtopianism?

Democratic Socialism European Style with a Side Salad of Truth.

Capitalism with brakes - you can't get too rich, but you can't get too poor either. This rewards the hard working but doesn't let the unfortunate sink without a trace.

You see, a little capitalism is a good thing, as it encourages enterprise and hard work, but a little socialism is good too as it encourages fair play and equality of opportunity.

Easy!

Failing that Dictatorial Utopianism could be good - so long as the emphasis on the Utopianism of course - oh, and also if I'm the Dictator:-)

Stress earlier in life would be different than stress at an older age. That's why you won't find to many 20 year olds dying from sex, while 70 year olds do.

 

But, it does look like McCain has some pretty good genes from his mom. I am more worried about his mental faculties, especially in a second term. Age is a discriminating factor - they have to be at least 35 years old.

Sod his age - McCain is a damaged man mentally. Having undergone such torture as POW he MUST have a few screws loose. NOT NOT NOT someone who should have a finger on the red button. God help us all if he gets in.

The Crash of Western Capitalist Civilization?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20764.htm

It's the companies! The companiiiieeeess!

You are learning well my friend. Award yourself a pat on the back.

But as punishment for their crimes of greed, western capitalism is now crumbling fast, so maybe things will get better - if the USA can resist pressing the button out of spite.

I have an idea. We could take a portion of the money from those who are more dedicated and/or talented, and give it to less talented or less dedicated, so that everyone gets just as much money. Not sure what we could call such a system though...

Err.. I think that's already been tried my friend. It wasn't what I was suggesting though, if that's what you are trying to get at.

I will ignore your other inane or insulting comments (isn't this forum supposed be moderated?). But please, explain to me why you think the 3rd world is still poor.

Actually, don't bother. I think we've probably gone off-topic quite enough for one thread.

Try this for size about Palin:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20746.htm

just had some thoughts on the issue of higgs and dark matter/energy.

 

consciousness (not individual but universal) is pretty much energy.

In terms of quantum physics it could be said that it is consciousness that collapses waves of potential matter in to localizable real matter.

Furthermore it is energy (consciousness) that holds separate particles together.

If i am not mistaken it is upon joining that the elementary particles gain mass.

Could it be consciousness instead of higgs that provides mass, also could this be related to dark matter/energy.

 

Although this is probably utter nonsense to a physicist it must be remembered that our entire reality occurs within consciousness. It is the most fundamental and indubitable property of reality.

The study of conciousness is the going to be the next big thing and will change our understanding of reality more than relativety or quantum physics. Just wait n see!

I reckon we won't. That would be far too easy woudn't it. Well probably find the HB to actually be a thousand and one new particles!

And if you know any cool ones that may be interesting I wouldn't mind a link.

 

Thanks.

How about wwf site: http://www.wwf.org.uk/news/n_0000005306.asp

Greenpeace: http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/blog

Wildlife Trusts: http://www.wildlifetrusts.org/

Friends of the Earth: http://www.foe.co.uk/

DEFRA: http://www.defra.gov.uk/

Thanks! I read the Palin article.. she is ... yea.

Yeah, she is a c.....

She don't even believe in Global Warming

And she's gonna be vice president.

What a dick

Well I didn't really get the "sexist" part of the comment, even if Obama uttered this phrase to undermine her joke. What's sexist about calling someone a pig?

 

Of course, we're doing the same thing the media does...we say how stupid it is for people to make a big deal out of it, while we particpate in making a big deal out of it.

 

If I was Obama, I would say it again, and again, and again. And everytime someone wants an apology, I would tell them that I'm terribly sorry that they're an idiot.

The only meaning I can see if was anything other than a term of phrase was that he was referring to Palin as the lipstick and Mc Cain as the pig. Still not really sexist though IMHO.

Bombus: yeah, you really gotta hate those giant multinational corporations. I mean just look at some of the horrific things that come out of them: http://www.gatesfoundation.org/default.htm

Don't be so niaive! This is going back to old Victorian ideas of Philanthropy. Yes it's great when billionaires do good things with their money, but the problem is that we shouldn't have a system where such huge inequalities are allowed to exist in the first place. For every billionaire or billionaire company there's twenty more that don't undertake such charitable activities. Believe me -I have a job where I try to get money out of them and most will spend more on corporate lunches for their Directors than they will on helping disabled kids.

Do you understand why the 3rd world is poor?

If your head were any more full of conspiracy theories, it would explode!

 

Corporations are powerful, yes, but not particularly more so than would be expected from the amount of money (aka resources) that they have.

And how powerful is that? About as powerful as they need to be to do what they are doing methinks...

I'm no conspiracy theorist pal - I tell you. The fact that you think this a conspiracy theory is scary. Man, there is proof of all this stuff. Solid hard proof. Maybe you're just scared to believe anything that rocks your cosy boat? They know that so get away with what they want. You are treated as fodder and will argue with me to say you are not. It's incredible, you defend those who rip you off! I am trying to help you, but as ever, there are none so blind as those that will not see.

Watch that video and tell me it's a conspiracy theory.

How Obama could be thought of as sexist for this comment is beyond me. I think it's the Republicans that have actually shown their cards by making the accusation. It was obviously on their minds not anyone elses.

Mc Cain will be president. Wish it wasn't so, but the GOP will pull enough strings. Maybe Osama Bin laden will be found just before the election?

However, Obama won't change anything much. He's just as much a company man. But he may stop nuclear war, which will happen if that disturbed ex POW Mc Cain gets in.

So you'd allow corporations, just so long as they aren't evil. Cool. Is that something you discover by reading a company's charter, or is it more along the lines of a tea leaves and cast-bones sort of thing?

Don't act so stupid. I explained exactly what I mean and you are deliberately pretending you don't understand.

So it's nature you're against. I can understand that, but you have to ask yourself why. If it's so natural for groups to allow the elite to run them, as it appears since all the groups are doing it, then who really is out of line with their thinking?

 

I've often wondered how people can look at mankind, the animal kingdom, earth, all of this and somehow get the notion that violence is not necessary, or act surprised that we invest so much into it. There is nothing we can observe that would suggest anything different.

 

Same with the natural plutocracy that seems to erupt in every government, no matter how it's designed. It seems reasonable that humans need this, they want it - that's why they allow it.

 

I think it's unreasonable to indict and blacklist the planet of governments because of a natural urge to allow the elite to run us. Blame humans, not their constructs.

That's the purpose of good government though - To remain vigilant and ensure that society does not become corrupt. But you seem to just deny everything I say, and then end up saying 'that's just (human) nature'. You can fight back you know. You are NOT powerless. And the first step is to stop beleiving the bullshit you are fed. You guys are not stupid, on the contrary, you are very clever, so why do you defend these bastards who certainly don't care about you!

Try watching this - please do.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13062.htm

14:50mins is a good bit - but then it all is. Really please watch it!

Well I see it as a combination of moderate intervention and letting it runs its course. That's what modern governmental economic control is all about, really.

Well I'd agree that there should be a good mix of the free market and state control. I think all the 'arteries of the state' (gas, oil, water, electricity, transport infrastructure, healthcare, education) should be run by governments - or at least non-profit making trusts, and the rest should be left to the free market (with adequate fiscal controls). That is basically good old democratic socialism European style. However, this example is a case of bailing out the rich and dumping the risk on the tax-payer (read: the poorer) They'd never do this to help the poorer in society.

Oh, I get what you're doing now. Well, Bombus, tell us how every country except the US is not a de facto oligarchy. Using the same standards and metrics you place on the US, tell us how the rest of the world escapes the clutches of the rich elite.

Nope. The rest of the so-called free world are in pretty much the same place - but it's far more advanced in the USA, simply because of the size of the US economy and the influence it has throughout the world. The EU is going exactly the same way - just you watch.

China isn't in the clutches of the oligarchs, but has a pretty oppresive totalitarian government that is fairly corrupt and pretends to be communist, and Russia of course doesn't let oligarchs get away with it any more. But yeah, the rest of us are in the same boat, or at least caught in the wake.

Well, you see, all those Russian billionaires like to stay out of politics, and would never use their influence inappropriately. And their foreign policy is totally fair and reasonable, which is why Russia is so popular right now, just like America would be if we were nicer. And they don't actually censor liberal voices, they just have nothing to say. And they're not drumming up jingoism in their youth, it's just civic pride.

 

So you see, clearly the United States is the only evil country, and is responsible for all problems everywhere. It wouldn't be on the internet if it wasn't true. Read some history, my friend!

the USA is not inherently evil, neither are its people. But the companies that dicatate your future, and coordinate the media to bamboozle you all with bullshit are. They really don't mean to be of course, they simply want to make as much profit as possible, but when it's on such a huge scale (and remember most of the companies are transnationals) and they are competing with each other they end up putting profit before people, and so ultimately everyone (including most of the US population) are treated as fodder for the rich - obviously to varying degrees in different countries to avoid a revolution!

Well, that certainly explains a lot.

I hope you joking...

really, don't you get it yet?

Huh? How is this the fault of the United States? What are you talking about?

Are you serious? Have you no idea what's going on?

Maybe you should read this - written by one your countrymen.

Actually this website is based in the USA - and is one of the best things on the web. REAL NEWS for a change!

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20717.htm

I seriously think we're heading into Cold War II with Russia if we're not careful.

My friend, that's their plan! The companies that rule the USA are chomping at the bit for a new cold war - as it's sooo profitable. Why do you think the USA MUST always be at war with someone?

What do you all think? Am I power-mad, expansionist crazy, or is there some reasonable justification for this?

Yes, and No

Hey guys.

Just in case it does all go horribly wrong, it's been a pleasure debating, discussing and laughing with you all, and maybe see you on the other side.

If not, it's business as usual on thursday!

Bombus

Ho ho ho, see here:

"Comrades Bush, Paulson and Bernanke Welcome You to the USSRA (United Socialist State Republic of America)" By Nouriel Roubini:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20720.htm

US Is "More Communist than China": Jim Rogers By CNBC

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20715.htm

Yet again the US government rips off it's people. Really guys, you gotta "wake up and smell the coffee!". The USA is a country ruled by the rich for the rich, the rest of you are just tax fodder. We in the EU are next, if not there already...