walkntune

Well I suppose I could have said opposing energy causing a negative effect! I am continuing subject in a different thread.

I predict UMmmmmmmmm! If we keep going on and and putting negative energy into this debate it will mess up this thread!They are getting back on track. Please let it go!

Could you imagine how much better this planet could be if all of the energy wasted even in such fruitless discussion was used to reach those who need help? Instead we all have to try and spout off how much knowledge we think we have to try and be mighty and powerful with knowledge and try and use it as a way to gain energy from others. I don't think this energy study is a waste for me especially since I use it daily to help people overcome depression, encourage those who are hurting, help those who are in rehabs etc... It has helped tremendously in these areas! I just hope that as you continue on your path of knowledge you will find a place to benefit others and not try to use knowledge as power and self glorification. If you do what a fruitless life! Everybody can see truth even if it's for a split second!

My suggestion for you would be to not use the idea of" energy taking a least resistant path" to understand this reality we live in! I have found a common denominator that works in all existence for me and I will not try to force this idea on you! Worth is determined by the value we put on something. If I say all of reality is subject to this idea of energy and you say it's worthless, who am I to make it of value to you. If reality is subject to energy, then I say energy has more worth to reality then your logic. As of now I am interested in what is around me and not what isn't! It does make me smile though to know that we are as far apart as we possibly can be in an argument! What you think is worthless is what I think is the only thing that exists.

Reason being? It might be worthless to your logic but I am not interested in your logic! The reality around us cares nothing about your logic. It exists whether you are here to make it understandable in your logical mind or not. I am interested in the world around me and how energy plays it's part. It's supported by evidence! Look around! Nothing refutes it! Where is your logical proof! I am interested in learning about the energy not your logic!

This kind of thinking does not lead from one theory to another! You can only find fault in what you speculate once you have a speculation. OK I just posted a whole article on Einstein and intuition. You can look at his many quotes as to his thoughts of it! I am not saying he didn't have any knowledge of scientific understanding because he used it to rationalize his intuition! I know you can keep going down a rabbit trail and it's really a waste of our energy to argue this. This argument has been going on ever since introverts and extroverts have had different opinions! I think energy is the substance of all creation and it works in all aspects for me even understanding this argument! It's not important how I arrived at my conclusion(you said so yourself) Everything I can possible observe is evidence to me to support my thoughts and ideas about energy! I have been asking for the evidence to refute it. I can't find any!

If I riddle you this, will you riddle me where my thoughts and beliefs about energy being a force of life and materialism being illogical? Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedHere is an example of Einsteins disagreements! This is my understanding of intuition.

Yes you are right. This is where it becomes illogical. This is why only intuition pushes science forwards! This is not the method of Einstein nor Tesla! Einstein disagreed with his colleagues even when their logic made perfect sense! Sure he was wrong sometimes but it was the part that was right that helped push science along! I believe in using a rational mind to all I observe to test to see of its true or not! Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged As I clearly stated in all of my posts! My beliefs and thoughts! If you can say life is inevitable with fact, than I am not so sure there would be this discussion! Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged And your the one who keeps telling me what I seem to think! I might have to study your psychic behavior!

What does spiritualism have to do with energy and materialism? A materialist rationalist is someone who just observes energy in a particular state of resistance!If this is false then pull the energy out of what ever it is you are observing and see what is left! If you don't think energy is what substantiates life then try not eating for a few months and see what happens.Pull a plant out of the ground. Only where there is an energy source which would be part of suitable conditions. Are we becoming so skeptical we can't even rationalize common sense?

Please enlighten me! I agree 100% If I was to believe that energy is the base of life then I would expect to find a nearby energy source!

You can dance around the subject of how I came about my ideas or you can simply prove them wrong! You can tell me" The truth does not exist" but how can you make such a statement make any logical sense? Sorry I have an intuitive mind so if you find anything illogical in what I sense to be true then do the job of a skeptic and show it wrong! I can't find any logic to why it is wrong but I observe it in all matter around me. With the equation E+MC2, it seems most people see the energy as an effect of but I see it as the cause of! I say I see it intuitively! I try to rationalize it with logic but haven't yet! I will welcome you again to logically prove it wrong! It will be greatly appreciated! I have come across these ideas to only find they have been discovered along time ago. Einstein said "God does not play dice" I happen to believe Einstein and Tesla were both on to something and I also happen to see with intuition what they see! If you want to prove intuition does not exist and is not a tool for info.. then good luck and best wishes! jimmydasaint I am sorry this has happened in you thread!

I understand where point of view of skepticism comes from. The existence of life is not the same as trying to prove there is a God. We know life exists and it was either inevitable or it is not. I don't necessarily agree with the healthy scientific skepticism. In fact i believe you can only see the world through the lens you choose to look out of!You can search for whats true or you can search for whats false! I just hope you are not searching for something unless you hope to find it! Do you understand what this is implying? Einstein and Tesla have both already implied what they thought to be a cosmic order. Science is so blind by skepticism it is missing this!

Now I am a firm believer in knowledge without integrity is worthless so lets please be considerate of the OP and I will start another thread that we can argue debate soon enough! I am simply giving my thoughts on why I believe life is inevitable and actually gave a great scientist's quote to show that its not just a made up belief! Any ideas that energy can't be a possibility will be strongly considered and would actually be greatly appreciated!

Truth is like love my friend! It exists for those who can believe and see it! If you search for it then it takes a belief that it is not there for who goes searching for something that isn't missing?

Truth is out there for those who are willing to see!

Sorry I do not believe in God or any religion! My views are from a natural course of energy that I pull out of this equation E=MC2 as mass is a stored energy! I understand energy to be the only thing that exists and I understand it to keep balance with itself as in this equation.Also suggested them to just be my thoughts on it! I answered the question did I think life would be inevitable? I have scientific reasons behind what I believe, not religious! I do appreciate the integrity behind your post though!

Just curious if there are any scientific reasons why it was tuned this way or is it more of just a numbers game!(random process) I have intuitive ideas that life would be inevitable but it comes from my belief that it would be the next step in energy breaking free from materialism! Even as energy became water it was free to escape as water has motion and effected by magnetic fields!The energy escaped as the motion became work letting potential energy transform into kinetic! These are just my thoughts though!

Its actually way out of my field but there is a contrary viewpoint that even though space- time has a curve space itself does not! I believe Nikola Tesla took this view. I do not know because I am not sure of space being empty(nothingness).

You seem to have an intuitive mind and you come across as sensing some of the creative force behind conscious energy! They are correct in saying the ideas do not fit in any scientific method! This is very interesting point! We are at a point in time when a 5 year old child can carry more logical information in a little piece of plastic in a back pocket than the most scientific mind ever can hold! The scientific mind left only to logic will fall far behind as we project forwards! The truth is conscious energy will find away! The introverted ones with the intuitive minds and imagination will be the ones to step forwards!(The meek will inherit the earth!) The answer lies in this equation E=MC2 To the scientific method this is an equation that works in physics! To an intuitive person this can be the reason for existence!

Well I guess you did get my point! I meant to have this in my original post so sorry I missed it! How does this work out without a curve?

Very refreshing to see an imagination used in science! If we are standing at the edge of space and took our last step, what's there to keep us from taking another? Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged I kind of thought this also but was wondering whats outside the curve!

I agree but once they are supported by scientific method they would no longer need to be under pseudo science and speculation would they?

This is an interesting thought! I have often thought about two energies with opposing nature being created out of the big bang and both changing in and out of form! As each created on its path one created republicans and the other democrats! Or the bloods and the crypts! Seriously I wondered if there were two energy forces at work in nature created from the big bang moving maybe in opposite directions!It would give the effect of two different dimensions happening at the same time!I actually often wondered if like people who were schizophrenic were being pushed from one dimension of energy to another or just getting flashes and seeing things in one dimension that you can't see in the other.How do we know they don't see what they say they do if most people see in just the one dimension they exist in? I also wondered if we were getting pulled in both directions where one was giving life and the other death! We sense it as a positive and negative and thus create a sense of right and wrong! Just a fun thought! I am not sure what exactly you mean when you are saying your mind is in a different dimension.I have heard different religions talking of the spirit or soul being separated but I relate that to our physical body and the energy giving us life or consciousness. Are you maybe talking about your spirit instead of mind? That would be our true self which is separate from the mind will and emotions. Some refer to it as inner child or inner self. Also curious as to what you mean by another body? I was to even assume it was possible I would assume there would be no mass involved and just our conscious energy! Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged Maybe he is posting on the speculating side of this forum!

I believe you need to read my posts but I will paste some thoughts in here! So how do we do this if we can't use intuition or rational thinking to observe it?

Are you supporting my idea that all religions and faiths are just a misconception of something as natural as energy? Should we just try to see through a rational mind or should we use intuition and then rationalize it or what?