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I dont have any education in PHYSICS at all..In fact I left school at 14.I just had an idea thats all .A lot in here seem to have good knowledge but not much in amagination.And I never said that things should not have names even if amaginary.. A Graviton has never been seen or found but it is talked about as if it is a real thing.I will take your advice and put my head in a few books for a few years so I can explain to educated people in way that they may understand

Im sorry I meant universe and not solar system i feel the M force is the thing that binds the atom just in the same way it does for a planet and a sun . The electrons in the atom have this force applied to them and this force keeps the electron and the neclei bound..Weaken this force and the elecron will be further away.I cant see how the electron can stay within the atom for free without a force aplied to it.Nothing is free.If energy or matter is moving it will travel in a straight line unless a force is aplied to it.Surely an electron must have this rule also And as far as your quantom world.I dont see one. Thing happen at these scales in a different way because the m force is not linear.only at atom scales can the differences in the density of M have an observed affect.You see a difference in laws and call it quantom.All I see is things look different because they dont act as they do at bigger scales because the forces apllied to them are not from a linear force. And its true what you say about my knoledge about your physics.But I have a thinking mind.Only today did I find that my idea is not new...(Le Sage) got there before me over 300 years ago.As far as im concerened the universe is just matter in motion.Physics is full off fancy made up names for things..Some exist and some dont.Physics was here before man was and will be here after hes gone.No mathermatics ..No life.. but things will still carry on.If a thing can never be proved doent mean it doesnt exist? What comes 1st the idea or the maths

The sorce of these particles was the big bang.They were created before atoms as I believe that the atom itself relied on these particles to exist in the first place. Theere is no drag effect .We and all the atoms around us are being moved by these particles. Imagine its a windy day.We measure the wind on the ground at 30mph We then go up in an air ballon.We also travel at 30 mph.We measure the wind speed from the moving baloon.. If is zero.This is the same effect.We move with this moving sea of particles. Every atom finds its point of least resistance. Gravity does vary all the time We do not see this change as this change also changes us and all the atoms around us.This change could only be seen if from an independent observer from outside the solar system in real time and that cant happen. Now amagine that thes M particle were formed early in the big bang.Atoms were formed within this soup of M particles.This soup expands outward but within this soup M particles are moving in all directions but the underling trend is an expansion. This expansion has happened and is still hapening. It makes sence that the more it expands then the density of this soup has to decrease. So if an atom is within this M particle soup then it also will expand in relasionship. If it is only the spacing within the atom that expands then no extra mass would be needed but if the parts of the atom have to expand also to keep a working scale then extra mass will be needed for the atom to function. I believe that this extra mass is taken from the M particles that interact with the atom. How it does it at a sub atomic scale I dont know but think this is an elegant solution.to the question of where these particles go after they interact with the atom.

The gravity particles dont push from one side. They push from all sides..And yes you are right if an atom was being pushed equally from all sides it cant move. But atoms are not pushed equally from all sides so must move. mf(gravity particles)are moving and have allways been moving since the big bang Amagine you are standing surounded by 1000 people all firing paint guns at you. every time a paint gun pellet hits you it moves you 1mm away from the direction it hits.As you are being hit equally from all sides you will not move. Now a friend comes along and stands next to you..You now both being hit but as you friend is shielding you from some of the shots and your shielding him then niether one of you are now being hit equally from all sides.You both move 1mm every time a paint pellet hits you.The movement is away from the force of the paint ball pellets and towards your friend.Now amagine its not paint balls but MF(micro particle)and you and your friend are single atoms.You must move towards each other.An atom ..A grain of sand..A planet..The same rule would apply in all cases. Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedIve just seen the mention of Le Sage's theory of gravitation...So it seems im 320 years to late with my idea.It does seem however that the idea is not 100% dead.. I was a bit worried about what happened the M particles that didnt exit the atom.. I thought that they may have been energy that bound the atom together instead of the free ride explaination I hear.Another possibility is that the energy is converted into mass and the atom just expands.As all atoms expand at the same rate then this expantion could not be measures..The atoms expand ..We expand ...and all our instruments expand.This expansion could only be observed from outside our universe,So not much chance of testing it. It seems that the problem with my idea is not the basic idea but the problem with the particle that interact with the atom after the interaction?

The Moon can constantly change its direction without a force being applied to it? That just seems imposible to me.An object will move in a straight line unless a force is applied to it.That makes more sence to me.I say that gravity is the force that is applied to the moon that moves it from a straight line.I say that gravity is an exterior force that pushes the moon and earth towards each other and not an attration between the 2 bodies.

Seems real wierd to me .This attraction can move the electron from a straight line corse without any energy being needed.Sound like perpectual motion.Do they really know that or is it an idea Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedMybee my MP are giving them a little push

So why does an electron not just exit the atom.How can it be held there without an energy sorce.It moves and is in contant exceleration without energy.How can that be?

One thing im not happy about is if these MFs do interact with the parts of the atom where do they go after this interation.Does an atom require energy to survive? It seem that atoms have internal motion.Can this happen without an energy sorce.Can they have a free ride?

you may be able to help me on something..energy=mass in motion..am I right..If so surely then is energy and mass interchangable? or are they just the same thing but in different states? Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedA bat hits a ball..The ball moves.At an atomic level is this reaction or interaction Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedWhen I say contact I mean that they have an effect on each other.I dont mean that they shake hands

Whe I said bombarded I never sad anything about the atoms being hit.And as ive said most do travel though both you and me and the earth on there journey. but not all.And not once did I say anything about bouncing particles or lums of dark matter.I havent a clue what dark matter is made of just like everyone else doesnt.All im saying that if it is matter it has mass and if it comes into contact with something that is also made of mass then a reaction will occur.That doesnt mean that it will react with every atom it meets.I believe it has the ability to travel within the confines of an atom with no reaction.But if it comes into contact with a part that makes up the atom a reaction will occur.Most of this matter travels though the atom with no affect on itself or the atom

Im saying that an atom being equally bombarded from all sides by dark matter will not move . but another atom that obstructs the path of said dark matter will change the amount of dark matter that reaches the 1st atom.So it will not now be equally hit from all directions. The atom must move towards the direction of least force.As both atoms shield each other then there facing sides have less force aplied to them and must move towards each other. If this worked for a single atom it would also work for a group of atoms.If a particle can travel though an atom and also be stopped by an atom this has to work.The more atoms in a group that the dark matter travels though the less that exit that group.Amagine a man stading on earth.The amount of dark matter that hits his atoms is allways the same from above..The dark matter that hits him from bellow is less because the atoms of earth itself have have stopped some on there jouney through the mass of the earth..On the moon the amount that hit him from above are the same as on earth but because the moon has less mass it stops less dark matter reaching the man from bellow.so he has less weight.All the bodies in the solar sytem shield each other from this force causing them to have less overall force aplied to them from the facing sides.This is what binds them. If particles can travel through an atom then this must happen. Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedI never said gravitons exist..And I cant see why dark matter cant travel at these speeds. They are not atoms.And im not even saying that what im talking about is your so called dark matter..Im saying that for my idea to work these particles are spread thoughout the universe.And even though there small thats a lot of matter, That may just add up to what is missing.Call them dark matter or call them SMP..There name doesnt matter..

Take a flat object cover it with a lcd display.Tiny cameras on back of same object.As the lcd display will show exactly what is behind object then object itself can not be seen..Or make an object from very thin glass and you cant see it.Have an object move away from you at the speed of light and you wont see it as the light will never reach you..Id say there are 2 problems with invisibility 1st You must stop the object from reflecting light..2nd You must capture any light that falls on the object and bend it around the object so that apears as if from the same sorce as if the object isnt there.Or make an object transparent..Beam me up SCOTTY

We measure dark matter as we do gravity.The observation of gravitys affect is its measurment also. I say that the so called grafitons and dark matter are one and the same thing. Measure gravity and you are measuring dark matter.We measure it every day in our everyday life but dont see it that way as it is so familiar to us. Dark matter doesnt react with gravity.It causes gravity.Its force is applied to every atom it encounters equal to the gravitational force...If many particles of dark matter hits an atom the atom will move .Every atom is hit and every atom moves.That is how we measure dark matter. Just as we measure gravity.Dark matter moves in every direction across space.As it has mass it must react with every atom it encounters.I believe that the density of dark matter is not uniform .A single atom may not encounter a unform amount of dark matter that hits it.And in this instance the atom must move.Dark matter is on a small scale but prolific in its distribution.Every atom in the universe is controled and moulded by this invisible force.Amagine a single atom in deep space being hit from all sides by this dark matter.If equal force from all sides then the atom can not move.Most of the dark matter passes through an atom and carries on with its journey but a small amout does not exit.It has reacted with the parts that make up the atom. So less dark matter exits the atom than entered it. Now instead of one atom we have two atoms in close proximitary to each other.Both being hit by the same dark matter but it can not be equal force from all sides as the two faces of the atom that look at each other have less dark matter hitting them, as the ajacent atom has captured a small amount before it has reaches the second atom.So both atoms have less force aplied to them from this facing side..So they must move towards each other.If an atom moves then so must a grain of sand a planet or star.If dark matter has mass and is in motion this must be.It can not be otherwise.Does this sound like GRAVITY?

wow.. I love your answer to number 4..A perfect reply allmost. i also think there is a link between dark matter and GRAVITY Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergeddark matter and gravity...Can anyone explain there ideas on the link Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedI believe that so called dark matter doesnt react with gravity but actually causes it and can explain how

Ok I hear what you say.But il ask some simple questions that you can mayby ask others as well as yourself. no 1...Is it possible for a particle to be smaller than an atom? no 2 ...Is it possible for a particle to travel towards an atom enter it and leave unhindered? no0 3 ...Is it possible that a particle can be affected on its journey by an electron or the necleus.? no 4... Is it possible that dark matter may be all around us but the only reason we cant see it is that it is small ? If you get a no to all from everyone then forget it. If not then you should get back to me and listen. My idea doesnt go against any rules of PHYSICS. Have you ever had any of your friends ever have an original idea of how GRAVITY actually works..Id say never. Just because we cant see something or measure it does not mean it is not there.If a particle is so small it can travel within an atom then we can not measure it because we are made of atoms and all our instruments are made of atoms.Put a receptor deep in a mountain and it can never capture a particle if the said particle has the abilility to travel within the atoms of the receptor.Thes particles enter the receptor and exit unhindered in ther journey.Because these instruments can not capture them does not mean they do not exist..I believe that we do measure them every day but because it is such a common measurment we dont even notice it.