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No I'm not going to evacuate. Since I'm on the other side of the state, we should only encounter tropical storm force winds. See that little notch about midway up the state (the top notch) and on the left hand side? Thats where I live.

I'm still here It's supposed to hit us later tonight/tomorrow morning.

So FoxNews is running the site now? Give me a break. You're starting to embarass yourself. Take a look at the authors of the page. What do you mean the most conservative figures out there? You haven't even posted any other figures for us to compare. Or perhaps you should give me a straight answer. Post other figures please. Just give me something. I don't care where it comes from, I want you to find another figure. He sought enriched uranium. It also appears they were at least drawing up plans to build a centrifuge to separate the isotopes. You completely missed the point of that statement. You said that Iraq didn't have the army to sail over here. Neither did Osama. Turns out they weren't that credible, and several people probably knew it. Besides, they didn't say that 500,000 would be killed. You keep saying that but that's not what the UN said.

Still waiting on any sort of confirmation on this. Just wondering who it was that manufactured the propaganda and then convinced everyone to believe it. And then we went in and we didn't. I guess we planned a little better than they thought we would. Yes he was. The fact that he got duped on the Uranium doesn't discount the fact that he sought uranium. Want to explain why he tampered with cameras and things at nuclear facilities? Maybe he was just looking for a little saturday night fun. Try several thousand unaccounted for. Perhaps thats what Bill Clinton thought about Osama. 1991, Kuwait. Saddam sure learned his lesson, just look at how well he complied with the UN! Stop lying to yourself. You were wrong about that, how can you even make the same claim again? In your next post please include the following: 1) Support for the notion that the US killed 500,000 Iraqis. Note: This support must come from current estimates on the death toll. "the united nations stated before the war that as the united states was going to wage the war, around half a million iraqis would be killed." Furthermore, you stated as fact that we killed "hundreds of thousands of Iraqis". Either admit you and the UN were wrong, or find some sources to back your claim up. 2) Support for the idea that iraqbodycount.net " is actually a conservative site posing as an anti-war site. "

Did you do a personal investigation or something? Any way to back up that claim? 500,000 casualties, not deaths. And if I thought Saddam was a threat to my nation's security, then yes, I would have gone to war in a heartbeat.

Pre-war estimate. Pre-war estimate. No stats here. http://www.un.org/News/ossg/sg/index.shtml Nothing here either. If anything IraqBodyCount.net is an anti-war organization. The claim of 500,000 is unsubstantiated.

I still don't see an article which claims over 20,000 deaths. Indeed, the UN. resolution states 500,000 casualties as a pre-war guess, and even then those are injuries, not deaths. Innocent deaths are an unfortunate, sad consequence of war. No one is disputing that. You cannot always quantify the justification of a war by how many civilians were killed. In WW2 there were millions of civilians killed. Unjust?

Not particularly, but for the sake of argument: "the united nations stated before the war that as the united states was going to wage the war, around half a million iraqis would be killed." They were estimating before hand and they were wrong. I challenge you to find me one report by the UN preferably (or by any other source really, because you won't find it) that puts the Iraqi civilian body count over 20,000 [post-attack count, not some pre-war speculation].

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

And then what did they do about it?

Magical world of make-believe indeed. Don't forget about the part where mr mcfeely was offered to mr. rogers more than once, but Mr. Rogers said no thanks. Instead, he hurled a few love missles that way. Also don't forget about the neighborhood commission report! 'It's only make-believe', they kept telling themselves. Soon after, mr. ignoramous decided to chase mr. mcfeely all around the world! But nay, that was too much time and money, said the neighborhood, who just finished complaining about his complacence.

Just as a side note, this isn't personal budull, even though I tend to get a bit sarcastic once in awhile :} I just see things differently. Edit: And we've strayed off topic. I'll split the thread when you respond.

Human Rights Watch.

Go ahead and try to substantiate that claim. They sure have a lot more than they did. Death is an unfortunate consequence of war. Don't start with "war is unjusitified because innocent people die" rhetoric. The majority of planning, preparation, and training took place under Clinton's watch. Don't even try to pin it on Bush. I see that you've preemptively shrugged off the 9/11 commission report, because it seems to have turned into the Bush-hater's worst enemy. Funny, it seemed to be hailed as the second coming of Christ by the left when tiny bits of information were leaked that worked in their favor. So the flash movie has a few quotes of what seems to implicate it was a small plane that hit the pentagon (as opposed to your claim that 'no plane' hit the pentagon). "A pilot who saw the impact, Tim Timmerman, said it had been an American Airways 757. "'It added power on its way in,' he said. 'The nose hit, and the wings came forward and it went up in a fireball.'" - "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001 "As I approached the Pentagon, which was still not quite in view, listening on the radio to the first reports about the World Trade Center disaster in New York, a jetliner, apparently at full throttle and not more than a couple of hundred yards above the ground, screamed overhead. ... Seconds before the Pentagon came into view a huge black cloud of smoke rose above the road ahead. I came around the bend and there was the Pentagon billowing smoke, flames and debris, blackened on one side and with a gaping hole where the airplane had hit it." - "Eyewitness at the Pentagon." Human Events, 17 Sep 2001 "Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine." - "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002 "'I saw the tail of a large airliner. ... It plowed right into the Pentagon," said an Associated Press Radio reporter who witnessed the crash. 'There is billowing black smoke.'" - "America's Morning of Terror." ChannelOne.com, 2001 "Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane,' Mr Campo said. 'I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here.'" - "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001 "Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. 'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in.'" - "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001 Don't forget the recovered black boxes, or the 184 bodies identified as passangers. Suprise suprise, the terrorists don't want us in Iraq. Not all terrorists come from poor families. Just ask bin laden.

I'm trying to restrain my utter horror from the realization that the left of this country are so blinded by partisanship and rabid hatred for george w. bush that they lose the perspective and moral clarity to see evil for what it is. If evil were as simple as death counts then the Allies and Axis could be compared as equally evil entities. And yet here you sit, claiming that Bush and Saddam are equals because in addition to the death counts, Bush took our rights away and spent our money. But hey, 50,000 kurds don't matter right? Did someone say rights? Civil Liberties? Want to talk about rights? Perhaps you should spend a little more time getting to know Mr. Hussein. Failed to defend our nation? What? When is the last time we were attacked on our soil? Oh, 9/11. Seems like he's done just fine to me. There will be another attack, it's only a matter of when. But as the 9/11 commission stated, we're safer now than we were before, but thats hardly anything. Hey, just because Saddam killed and opressed more people doesn't make him a bad man. Besides, liberating Iraqi and Afghani people, while securing safety for our nation and other nations in the region, while dismantling the majority of Al-Queada's leadership and organization, while overturning two horrible regimes, while injecting a sense of freedom into a part of the world ruled by islamic fundamentalism, while rooting out terrorists, while giving 50 million people the right to choose their own leader is costing us too much money.

The BBC is reporting that SETI denies the report. "It's all hype and noise," said its chief scientist, Dr Dan Wertheimer. "We have nothing that is unusual. It's all out of proportion." And Dr Paul Horowitz, of Harvard University, who specialises in hunting for possible alien contacts added: "It's not much of anything at all. We're not investigating it further."

NewScientist is running an article describing a radio signal from space that SETI has picked up. Signals had been detected in that region in the past, but the they had not been confirmed. Last year the telescopes were again pointed at the constellation to monitor the signals. Scientists have just finished analyzing the data and have eliminated all but one signal which has increased in strength. The radio signal has been detected on three separate occasions. They are trying to rule out natural causes, unknown phenomena, radio interference, telescope anomalies, etc. One astronomer points out that the signal's frequency drifts, which seems to indicate it is rotating like a planet. Astronomers are puzzled because Seti@Home software supposedly corrects for this drift. The drift also indicates that it is rotating 40 times faster than earth. Paul Horowitz is skeptical, claiming that any sufficiently advanced civilization would correct for this drift. Another fishy aspect of the signal is that it always first appears at 1420Mghz and then starts drifting. Some suspect that it is an artifact of the telescope. Scientists are hoping to confirm the signal using other radio telescopes.

Is that the formula to calculate evilness (deaths responsible for) / (years in power) I just want to be clear on this: You're saying GWBush is worse than Saddam?

I liked arnold's speech, and I particularly liked Zel Miller's speech last night. It was wonderful, but thats just me .

This is just a few things I've noticed recently regarding my brain and time.. 1) Has anyone ever glanced at a ticking clock and thought just for a few moments that the clock was stopped because the second hand did not appear to be ticking regularly? Then, what seems like a few seconds later, you sort of snap out of it and realize that it is ticking normally? It only seems to happen when your attention quickly changes to something with regular intervals. I find myself at a lack of words to describe the feeling accurately, perhaps someone else will have a better description. 2) Does it ever seem that your dreams are not in sync with real time? For example, you may fall asleep for a brief 5 minutes and have a dream that seems to span hours of experience. I notice that when my alarm clock goes off, it is often integrated into my dreams. I dreamed that I was in a submarine when suddenly an odd alarm started sounding. We looked all over the submarine for the source. Then I woke up and realized it was my alarm clock. It had not been going off for long, because after 5 seconds it starts beeping rapidly. When I woke up it was still in the first five seconds of ringing. In the dream, it seemed like we had been searching for minutes.

What specifically about McCain? Did he used to be a democrat?

Catagory 4!

Comments? I'm enjoying it. I think they could have done without the 9/11 speeches, but thats just my opinion.

Anyone with an opinion is inherently biased. Liberal is a bad word, which is why democrats want nothing to do with the term. I'll address the rest of your post later, I've got micro lab in 30 minutes.

Sayo, no, but if he had time to he should have. Obviously it was an oversight. Two congressional children in Iraq is not going to change his point, however, facts are supposed to be factual, and if moore had the time he or cared enough about being factually correct it would have been changed. The most likely explanation is that when he researched it he was correct. I've already admitted to nitpicking, so I will back down from my position on this one.