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= getting a USF 'blike' license plate.

Trust me, they know the day you turn 18

Conflict in the middle east may last 30 years, I don't know about WAR though. I need to hurry up and get into medical school before they get any crazy ideas about drafting me

Does anyone else have a problem where threads are not flagged as "read" after you read them? Anyone know what may be causing this? So far we've eliminated cookies and "sessions" as the trouble, but I don't really know what else it could be? I forget what browser he said he uses. Any suggestions?

You didn't make any points other than: At least try and rebutt what I'm saying rather that just restating the initial premise. You have to tell me why that plastic chair is unique or that its impossible for others to have a simliar model. I can see where there might be an argument if the chair was an uncommon style, but white plastic? Everyone has one. Points like this DO NOT have ANYTHING to do with your premise that it took place at Abu Gharab: I've already stated why I believe your points are wrong, now in order for you to make yourself convincing, you have to show why my argument is wrong and the points are still valid. [Arguing 101]

Point 1: Interesting Point 2: Irrelivant. Doesn't prove a thing. I have the same chair. Point 3: Not an uncommon wall color in iraq: http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/coalition/deployment/marines/15th.meu.jpg Point 4: Completely fabricated. There is no military hat. Thats someone's left pinky. Point 5: Proves nothing. Mayhaps he was dead already. That has nothing to do with Abu Gharab and says nothing about his killers. So essentially we're left with point 1 as the only interesting point. I know that's not all it takes to convince you, because if so I've got a bridge to sell you.

You can believe what you want to believe, but the 5 points al-jezeera gave were crap.

Hold on while I chuckle. 1) Notice the standard US Military Police issued prisoner overalls that Nicholas Berg is wearing. Well duh, it was in retaliation for prison abuse. Guantanamo bay? I thought we were in Abu Gharab here. 2) Notice the white plastic chair that Nicholas Berg is sitting on. It is identical to the white plastic chair that the now infamous Pfc. Lynddie England is sitting on at the Abu Ghraib prison as shown here. This same white plastic chair can also be seen in other photographs of U.S. torture in the same prison. ROFL. I have that white plastic chair in my backyard. That white plastic chair is mass produced in the gadzillions and is found in all regions of the world. Please, you'll have to drum up better evidence than this. 3) The color and texture of the wall as shown in the frames taken from the video are the same as those of the Abu Ghraib prison. Probably true. Not unlikely though, considering many places in Iraq use the same color scheme. 4) Towards the end of the video, at frames 9306 through 9368, a person with a US military cap temporarily pokes about a quarter of his left head into the video. Uh, thats someone's left hand, you can see the pinky finger. Good try though. They're probably holding another camera. 5) The body is completely motionless even as the knife is brought to bear – not so much as an instinctive wriggle. Good point. Maybe he was already dead. How does that prove it happened in Abu Gharab? Seriously, Al-Jazeera is a laugh. That's the second time you've quoted them as your news source. hrm.

Is it ever ethical to torture someone in order to get valuable information? What about using various "lighter" interrogation methods? Say we have some Iraqi prisoners who *may* hold valuable information. How ethical is it to deny them sleep or food for 24 hours to weaken them before interrogation? What about giving them "truth" serum or other "light" methods of coersion? When is it ever necessary to use torture to get information?

Assuming this pans out to be true, that's an excellent question.

So he's being accused by the defense lawyer for one of the abusers, big suprise there. Seriously though, stop trying to make out the whole army to be what it's not. Every tree has bad fruit and even some bad branches. Thats why we employ a gardener.

Are cookies considered spyware?

aommaster, in organic chemistry when you say "protonate" it means to throw on a proton (hydrogen atom). If you protonate an alcohol, you go from R- OH to R- OH2+

That's the line that sounds a lot like justification, but I see what you're talking about now. I had misunderstood the whole thing to mean "well its ok because x and y". My apologies. The quote should have been above what I said. The politiking was directed @ atm.

and me too.

They count, but only if applied to Americans. Isolated incidents happen between police officers and civilians in the states all the time. I don't feel the need to defend myself from a police officer. I ensure that I don't become an isolated incident by allowing things to escalate beyond what they need to. Listen, you can go on all you want about how we're in their country and they feel the need to defend themselves by shooting at us, but that doesn't make it so. We're not there to attack civilians. Most Iraqi civilians know that. We're not there to rape the women and steal the family savings. I havn't heard many reports (actually any reports) of soldiers taking part of anything of this sort. Granted, there may be some, but it certainly is a few. And those soldiers will be punished. The Iraqi citizen has nothing to fear. Do you think the soldiers want to be their? Do you think the administration still wants them there? Please. It's horrible for their ratings. They want out as fast as they can. Shot at by military factions, perhaps. I would not expect to be shot at by civilians, who we're doing our best to help. Besides, it's not ordinary Iraqi citizens doing the shootings, most of them just want to provide dinner for the family. And while the shooters could be termed civilian in that they are not a part of the official military, they are "being manipulated" by radical militant leaders who stand to lose something by either US Presence or an Iraqi democracy. Listen, this whole thread is about these animals who did this. You cannot argue from an ethical standpoint that Nick Berg's murder was justified in any way by anything anyone else did. He didn't support the war and was there trying to rebuild, remember? I guess it doesn't matter, he was American, and therefore a valid target. Sure sounds like a message of hate to me, and you're defending it. Oh, and I still havn't seen evidence of the US government propagating this war using Nick Berg's death. Edit: I still wub u sayonara

ok.

You're right. Many civilians were killed in inital attacks. What I'm saying is that US Troops are not patrolling around right now looking for innocent people to kill. Iraqi citizens don't have to "defend themselves" from anything. If they want to be left in peace: Don't wander the streets at night, and don't fire at US troops. It's quite simple really.

No, you don't understand. Iraq broke the agreement many times. The UN paid nothing but lip service to Iraq.

lol

Saddam has been in violation of the cease-fire and resolution for a long, long time. The UN handed down several resolutions but Iraq responded by kicking weapons inspectors out of the country (who concluded Iraq was not complying with resolutions). I think the UN had plenty of time, but the oil for food funds were too enticing

Defend them from what? We aren't exactly pillaging their homes, raping their women, and stealing their food. Mayhaps their have been some isolated cases, but it's not the norm. The military has two rules for Iraqi citizens: Don't be out after curfew. Don't shoot at coalition soldiers. Why didn't we just lift sanctions? Would have saved us $100 billion.

Thats ok, I like him better than you too

I'm thinking its about time for this to be moved to psuedoscience.

His flash animation clearly proves that mitochondria were, in fact, once distinct organisms and that endosymbiosis is true.