FreeThinker

If you doubt science has the answers, turn of your computer.

From a scientific point of view, one can say that some biological structures are so complex, that they cannot be the result of an evolutionary process. This is a scientific hypothesis (onset to a theory), which in principle can be tested (and with that can be supported, or falsified, but never proven). It is confusing. The first sentence seems to be directly attacking evolution and confirming that some structures are irreductibly complex. The second sentence confirms that it, irreductble complexity, follows a scientific method. I do not agree that it is testable for the reasons mentioned in the original post. There is no way we could come up with all the possible ways a particular organ , or system, could have evolved. This paragraph, the way I intepret it, in no way reflects how I feel on the issue.

check out Canibus.. same sort of thing

Of course they both evolved at the same time, how else would either one have offspring?

I have been going to the gym four time a week, for three years. I also study science full time and spend most of my free time reading. So much for the stereotype...

If you don’t know how to answer these questions, how can you "no believe” in evolution. Shouldn't you first learn the basics of evolution before you start not believing it?

Did you calibrate the measuring scale?

I would say, no. Species do not exists and we label animals adapted to different conditions for the sake of convinience.

My argument is that all those traits evolving simultaneously appears to be a very rare event in evolution.

I am referring to the combination of traits that contribute to intelligence, not a specific feature (like the brain). Wings on birds would be of little use when talking about flight if it wasnt for all the other body parts that make flight possible.

An organism with a large brain would benefit by having a body that could exploit the brains capabilities. If a large brain, relative to body size, did arise in some species of dinosaurs, it would have provided the pressure for the rest of the body to develop to suit increasing intelligence. I don't think this happened and see difficulty in assuming that intelligence only developed because evolution "progressed" towards greater complexity. It is safer to assume, I think, that intelligence is really rare in evolution and Homo sapiens are the rare species that acquired the characteristic. I don’t disagree that a greater complexity within the brain gave rise to higher intelligence but I do think that for the process to get started is a rare evolutionary event. If it was otherwise, shouldn’t we see other intelligent species in the present time?

Well some of the methaphors used in rap can be quiet complex and well thought out. It is not all about " Hoes , money and cars"

I agree. But if intelligence, at the human level, had evolved before I would assume, maybe wrongly so, that we would find some evidence for it. Flight evolved when all the conditions ( land animals, right body structure...) were present.If we look at intelligence as 'software' and our bodies as 'hardware' the mechanics for intelligence to evolve were present in the age of dinosaurs. Especialy since any progress in software would pressure the hardware evolution as well. My only point is that intelligence might be a "one off" and therefore extremly rare where ever life is found in the universe.

Its like saying " why should flight have evolved?". For flight to be possible all aspects of the body have to be modified , its not just the wings. Yet, we have seen this happen in a number of species independently ( insects, bats , birds...) Intelligence , as we know it, requires the rest of the body to be modified as well. But is there only one, human, way that intelligence could have developed? Even if so, given such a long time, why hasn't it happened before?

Some songs can be good. Has anyone heard of Canibus? Almost all his songs are inspired by science, even though it seems like he tries to use big words to impress his listeners. But he has done some good stuff as well like Poet Laurett II. All the RAP on TV is CRAP besides maybe the early Eminem. He was very different in his first two albums from the crap other rappers were talking about. Overall, I vote crap, with a few exceptions.

The truth is we dont really know. That is why I think it is very unlikley that there is intelligent life anywhere else in the universe. Intelligence looks like one of those very rare , to put it midley, evolutionary events.

I was being sarcastic.

What if Iran is building a nuclear power plant and not a nuclear bomb? Maybe they just care about the damage fossil fuel is doing to our planet and want to find a more efficient/enviromental friendly way of producing energy?

Neon