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lol, you dork. I scored 0 on the pseudo scientist scoring board because of the -5 starting credit and typing in ALL CAPS. Oh, and the smarter person you copied that from was SAYO. [edit] My quote was a quote of elfin quoting me, but he didn't know how to use the quote feature at the time. Sorry for the double post.

He does not. He even said himself that it is not an argument for the third option, if that is what you mean. The options are not an argument for themselves, the paper is an argument for the options. All the "other options" you've stated thus far, Sayo, are reasons for the first option. I must appologise as I have been arguing for the third option for the sake of my thread which assumes it is true. That has confused the subject of the thread. My original post has not even been addressed, so forget it (4D travel). I have also been arguing for a simulated universe, rather than simulated minds in an unrendered universe, in which case nested realities is impossible and the universe that a simulated mind experiences runs on the "holodeck" pricipal, in which most of the environment experienced has little to no detail before being approached. In the model that the paper ACTUALLY suggests, there would not be scores of nested realities and exponentially large ammounts of simulated civilizations, but rather, there would be multiples of the actual civilizations recreated in a much simpler universe, probably with a time constraint that does not allow for the species to leave the solar system ( or some simmilar constraint keeping the program to a minimum ). Sayo, you made an interesting comment early in the thread. Now, you seem EXTREMELY opposed to the last option, and option two is highly unlikely, so much of the argument for simulated realities rests in the first option. So, unless you come up with another option that isn't just another reason that most species don't go extinct before reaching this stage of development (impossibility of reaching that stage included), this says alot about the nature of civilization. Just dropping the subject for a moment here, that comment could be key to the whole thing. Like I suggested, if indeed we were a simulation, our time would likely be coming to a close as we speak, not suggesting that it is unlikely for a real species to reach a point of technelogical maturity, but that a simulated species would be eliminated before doing so, out of concious decision by its controllers. See where I'm going with this? If indeed it is possible for a real species to reach a point that allows it to simulate a planet, it would be very likely that the simulation would end before that new species reaches that point. If that were the case, to (kindof) quote Sayo directly, "it is more likely that any race at our stage of development is ... on the dawn of its own self-annihilation" because "it is a simulation controlled and/or devised by another race." So chances are probably 1 of 000s that we are a simulation about to be terminated, on a scale of several hundred years from now. Nifty.

Dude. Awesome. Predator frikkin rocks. It's too bad Amiga died off. If it kept up, it would have been the most powerful system right now. They did some rad stuff in the early 90s. I really loved Shadow of the Beast 3. I cannot beat the last level though, and it hurts. Hurts bad. I wish it had more than 4 levels. That would be cool. Unless there's more to it than meets the eye? Please say there is. And please port it to PC. That would be cool.

Better stop watching Voyager...oh, and don't even turn on TOS.

The colors in this picture are amazing. I always used to have dreams of looking up into space and seeing this. Then you start seeing the UFO's and waking up never comes too soon after that point. Do the colors come from different ammounts of elements per galaxie?

That was number two exactly. Number one states we die and number two states we don't care, which is what you just said. So no, that is not a new option. [edit] A few people have been reading these three options as if they can be matched with each other. They can not. They also describe the UNIVERSE in its ENTIRETY, not one civilization or species. They are the THREE END POSSIBILITIES, of which reality is one. I personally do not think number 2 is possible, as civilizations with billions or hundreds of billions of people in them are bound to have AT LEAST ONE organization willing to create a simulation of their past. Of course every civilization might run one or two sims. Organizations are not governed by one umbrella organization that controls all of them during the entirety of the civilizations technelogically mature existance. There would be a period where simulations would not be outlawed or whathaveyou. Think about it: if more than one civilization ran more than one sim, each subsequent sim would also run more than one, generating an exponential figure of simulated realities leveled one atop the other. But, if technelogically mature civilizations each did one sim, the chances are around 50% times the ammount of technelogically mature civiliztions out of all civilizations that we are a simulation. But I figure each civilization would run thousands of simulations througout its lifetime, so the chances are increased exponentially as stated above. But that assumes that most civilizations become technelogically mature. I figure most technelogically mature civilizations would run simulations AT SOME POINT. That would generate chances above 50% times the ammount of technelogically mature civilizations of total civilizations, again as stated above. Conclusion: either we go extinct before maturity -or- avoid making simulations out of choice -or- create simulations out of choice. This would be true of all civilizations so either most civilizations go extinct -or- most civilizations avoid simulations -or- most civilizations create simulations, increasing chances exponentially that we are in one. For the record, I never claimed we are in a simulation, and since there is no way to prove so or otherwise, there is no use speculating. One of the three options must be true though, as there are no alternatives.

Classified. If I told you, I'd have to pronounce it wrong.

Don't worry, the general population is basically sub-human anyway. The scientists need only discover a way to train these monkeys to do their bidding and everything will turn out fine. (I was only half joking btw, as most people really don't have a will of their own when confronted with generally accepted public media. Absorb, accept, project, rince, repeat.)

Example. Mechanism behind example. Great sense of humor. I gave the example because I identified what it was in my personality that corrosponded with the music I listen to on a level higher than "it's loud," whereas most people have no clue. Capisce?

When I discover the meaning, reason, source of the universe I'll be mortally depressed. I think it has to do with self discovery. It's the journey rather than the destination, even though I would like to believe it's the destination, because that is the goal, isn't it? I think it's self discovery for everyone, science or not, to find out where they fit in the universe, on every level. After all, we are our own favorite subject. Or maybe girls.

stop eat cuz make stand up

That's me in the window fingering Earth. I'm eating the bowl.

Yes it would. If the image was not too flattenned by the initial photograph (too small an aperature keeping everything in focus), with the proper processing you could recreate the 3D image on the computer by refocusing the unfocused parts of the image and giving them a corrosponding 3D placement based on how unfocused it was. Though the final result would be sketchy, the 3D plane could still be approximated. That's how glasses work, but backwards. Where glasses use only one variable though, we would use many. Thousands of digital corrective lenses. With the proper EM projecters we could produce something simmilar to a 3d field, like those brain clot removers that use hundreds of particle guns that converge on the same focal point inside the brain. The result is a highly accurate radiation point in 3D with relatively little disturbance around it. Something simmilar could be used to bring this emotion machine to life. I'll make it, and invite you all over to try it out. There will be punch and cookies.

Someone needs to make some sort of nuclear battery. That would be cool. YT, you speak Russian, go hit up the reds for some uranium.

As far as my taste in music goes, I never really liked it until CD's came out, as the vinyl tasted too much like the kitchen floor. But nowadays with everything going to MP3's, music just loses more and more flavor by the day. Seriously though, for me, I love trance because of the steady beat and fluid melodies. It took me a while to discover this but I found, around 4 or 5 years ago, that I was always drawn to certain songs. Now I realize they all had a 4/4 kick drum. I think it matches my very methodical state of mind. And the spacey melodies match my fantastical imagination. Like Skye said, I think it has alot to do with what is familliar/unfamilliar, and your personality. And while we're on the subject, get my latest song. http://www.djglacial.com/files/Beyond_the_Light.zip It can also be found on my site.

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diamond cheeze grater, idiot.

We should invent some sort of biological stemcell machine using almost human DNA. That is one thing I don't understand: people not backing stem cell research. It is the single most viable source for most cures to ailments that impact us greatly right now. Cancer, alsheimers, and indeed baldness, will be cured 10-15 years from now through the use of stem cells. I back stem cell research 100%, and if cloning technology contributes to that in the near future, so much the better.

Hey, I'm looking for a freeware notepad where all it does besides the normal "Notepad.exe" functions is highlight strings ie, stuff in between quotation marks. It would be ever so super-nifty if one of you blokes would point me in the right direction so as to allow me to continue working on my project. It's a Sonique 2 skin. Sonique 2 is rad, but it crashes my computer so I have a hard time figuring out if its my skins code that's messing it up or if its just my flaky computer running at 2% resources while sonique is open. No joke. 2%. The notepad would help a lot. Anyhoo, that would be fantastic.

I liked the one about the DNA in the galaxy being linked. I'm finding it really hard to watch ST now though, as I notice so many things they say just don't make any sense. Thats mostly VGR though. Hmm, the letters VGR reminded me of V-Ger. The original series movies were awesome. I really liked the style of those pseudo-future-semi-seventies sets. Can't wait until I can recognize current trends in ST as being passe, twenty years from now. [edit]

Done and done.

I'm sorry, your theory of molten liquid surfing and electric guitars is clearly the answer.

ex-... Good call though. Touché.

I never said it was a bubble. I effectively said "we don't know how spacetime curves in our visible 3 dimensions or any other dimension for that matter, but one possibility is that the universe has a uniform and predictable shape much like that of the Earth, or not." But how do you think gravity works Pax? How would you portray the effect of gravity in a manner that would make sense to the average person?