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When you call 911 do you have faith in the arrival of help?

I know God exists, but I must have faith in his intentions.

The logic is wrong. The second questions asked about belief in God. Belief that God exists, and belief that you are following God's will are two different things. You are not doing what it says in the second sentence.

Wouldn't Angels have proof?

I am going to try this again. The first postulate of relativity requires that all physical laws must be the same in all inertial reference frames. The second postulate follows directly from the first and requires that the speed of light must be the same in all reference frames. Instead of using this drawing for X=0 to derive a transformation: We will instead use this drawing, and derive a general equation for all of 3-space. (note: Z co-ordinate is not shown here. The end equation is only x dependent.) Solve for X=0, you get the same result. However, substitute for t^2C^2 = x^2+y^2+z^2 and you get, Drop the Z co-ordinate and use the Z axis to plot t' vs. (x,y) for all of 3-space, except the z axis of course. Then consider that c=d'/t', and so you can substitute t' = d'/c, in the equation, then solve for d'. light cones for a reference frame moving at relativistic velocity. Multiply the resulting equation times the expression for the curve of an extra dimensional potential well, of the form y = 1/sqrt(x^2+z^2+w^2) but drop the w co-ordinate to do a 3D plot of y vs. (x,z). Now, let's do some addition of some displaced potential wells in the form of y = 1/sqrt(x^2+z^2) and y = -1/sqrt(x^2+z^2). Plot both like and opposite potential wells. If you use gnuplot, you can get some nice plots. Now compare the shape of the displaced potential wells under addition and the plot we did for d' multiplied times the expression for a potential well. After you do that, consider that these loosely represent electric potential wells, and take a look at the chirality about the extra dimensional axis, of the magnetic fields that would be generated by the motion of the potential wells, reacting to their respective polarities. Opposite wells have opposite chirality in 3-space, but if you look closely, they have the identical chirality about their extra dimensional axis. Motion of positive charges and negative charges in the same direction result in opposite magnetic fields, but only because the potential wells have opposite orientation in the extra dimension. Both positive charges and negative charges have the same chiral "rotation" in the extra- dimension. Now look at the geometric distortion caused by adding displaced potential wells, and also the geometric distortion due to relative motion, on the orientation of the axis of "rotation". You will notice that to keep the axis centered on the well, the axis must tip out of vertical. Dependent on the direction of motion. Now let us postulate that E-M is a 6D phenomenon. Potential wells in 6D are stablized and quantized, by a rotation in 4D and 5D. Addition of displaced potential wells, or relative motion, result in a tipping of the axis of rotation so that the rotation in 4D and 5D is partialy experienced in 3D chiral about the velocity vector. Such a structure would be bounded in dimensions 4,5, and 6, but unbounded in the familiar 3D. This of course requires a 6D manifold, and an explanation of how we get our 4D manifold in the end. There is a very simple geometric explanation for that. Within the context of that explanation, the same thing that is causing the spin that quantizes charged particles is also quantizing photons. It is also causing gravity. It is a very simple inherent dynamic-geometric component of space-time everywhere. This also suggests an explanation for the results of slit type experiments. Slits may disrupt the rotation and so disrupt the quantum bundling, causing wave like behaviour exiting the slit, but once away from the slit the bundling is re-established.

These people seem to think that have it worked out. http://endlessenergyinc.com/how-it-works/ I guess you would call it a scam. Can't be done. Well that is what I'm trying to figure out. Seems you wouldn't buy one. I'm considering a simpler heat transfer process, with "ideal" system efficiencies, to get a grasp if this is even feasible. I'm seeing breakeven maybe, if you factor in real world system losses. I don't see much headroom for excess mechanical energy, and I am considering a wider range of temperature than they are using. Perhaps the pressure differential that they are using should be considered.

Sorry, it's not the negative feedback. It's the can't do attitude. I would not employ any of you lot to solve a problem. Here is the beginnings of a solution. Efficiencies of 500% can be acheived with a currently available heat pump. 20% thermodynamic efficiency would be needed to sustain a continuously self powered heat pump, if the mechanical energy can be delivered with 100% efficiency to the cycle 1 compressor. If we change the DX ground loop to an insulated tank, we my lower the temperature in the tank to below that of the surrounding 56F geology. We may keep the tank as a reservoir at a constant temperature buy drawing out heat as fast as it is replaced, and keep the tank at -35F. We draw the heat out at 500% efficiency, and heat our cycle 1 refrigerant to 125F. The underground tank acts as a condenser for the cycle 2 refrigerant. We have 235.8K and 324.7, which gives a theorertical thermodynamic efficiency of 27.4%. Hum, imagine that.

I have a design outline, and I wonder if I could get comment. I have been giving a great deal of thought to very low temperature geothermal power generation. The problem seems to be heat transfer efficiencies at low temperature differentials. Low temperature 190F geothermal uses a binary cycle to turn turbines. I propose here the use of a coupled binary cycle system to generate power at very low temperatures. There are a number of inefficiencies to overcome, to power the compressor for the initial earth loop cycle. No pump is needed for circulation, but a compressor must be powered, in order to provide the heat source. This compressor requires a power source. First let us start with a standard ground loop for DX type geothermal systems in say 56F soil. We may expect to raise the temperature to 108F. We are getting 400% recovery of heat vs energy to run the compressor. It is a geothermal heat pump. Such a temperature differential results in poor enegry recovery for electrical generation, and very inefficient operation. Power output could not run the cycle 1 compressor. Here I propose to possibly increase conversion efficiency, and create a kind of geothermal jet engine. The first part of the unit is a flow through compressor that compresses the cycle 1 refrigerant into a flowing hot liquid, that is pushed backward, to what would be the combustion chamber in a jet engine. Now this is the questionable bit. Here I propose to have many short small parallel tubes, with all the ends gathered to form an overall donut shape. It would be like a bundle of short straws arranged in a donut pattern as seen from the ends. These tubes have a shared corresponding donut shaped reservoir on either end. Through the center of each tube passes a coaxial slightly smaller diameter tube, which passes through the outer walls of the shared reservoirs. On the same end of each of the smaller piercing tubes, a cap containing an atomizer is installed. The other end is left open. All the atomizing caps are fed from a shared donut shaped pressurized cycle 2 liquid refrigerant reservoir. This reservoir might be pressurized by centripetal force by spinning about the main axle. The open ends of the tubes forming a donut are positioned to face turbine blades. Hot cycle 1 refrigerant flows backward from the flow through compressor into the front donut reservoir, and passes as a thin layer between inner and outer tubes, from the front reservoir, to the rear reservoir, where it is drained away, back to the ground loops to become steam again, and pick up heat. On the same axle as the flow through compressor and donut heat exchanger, are the turbine blades powered by the cycle 2 steam. The cycle 2 refrigerant is atomized into the small tubes at the closed end, with small droplets hitting the tubes walls and changing state to a gas instantly, causing steam thrust out the open end of all the little tubes. You have a multitude of steam jets, each with a constantly renewed heat jacket and refrigerant mist, which could be balanced to produce a steady jet stream from each jet. Could such an arrangement break even or even produce excess power on such a low temperature differential? The idea is to increase overall system efficiency by running the whole process on the same axle, and perhaps the steam jet donut might increase energy transfer efficiency. Another ground loop or a condenser might be used to condense the cycle 2 refrigerant. Would such a scheme even increase efficiency over other methods of heat transfer? If such a scheme could work, I would imagine putting a DC motor on the same axle for battery startup, which would then be used as a generator under operation. Output could be governed by cycle 2 refrigerant feed pressure. Total electrical output would have to be a continuous 2-3kW to be useful for microgeneration. The target would be a cost effective, weather, time of year, and time of day independent, and consistent 48-72kWh per day, at 2-3kw, with batteries storing excess power and draining on peak loads. So let's start with some intial numbers. We have a ground temperature of 56F or lower assuming we will be constantly drawing energy from the ground, using a sufficient amount of ground loop, so that the energy is replaced as fast as it is used. Now, we can heat our cycle 1 refrigerant to 110F, and the best cycle 2 refrigerant I can find that will condense in a ground loop of 56F yet boil at a temperature lower than 110F, is R-123 which has a boiling point of 82F. So we would be misting tubes at 110F with a mist that boils at 82F, in order to create our steam jets, to power the turbines. It should be a matter of figuring out the output of one stem jet and then summing their combined output. One would expect that the smaller the diameter of the tubes, the greater the spray contact and so the higher heat transfer, the higher the steam pressure, within practical limits. A mister that projects a circular pattern at the tube walls might be more effcient than a generalized spray. Flow rate of the cycle 1 refrigerant would have to be a factor, as well as the quantity of cycle 2 coolant sprayed. The two would have to balanced to optimize heat transfer. If the cylce 1 refrigerant flows too fast, energy is wasted. If it flows too slow not enough heat is transferred to optimize the steam pressure produced. Further, if too much cycle 2 refrigerant is sprayed, it can cool the tubes and reduce steam production, with cycle 2 refrigerant running out the ends of the tubes. Decreasing the cycle 2 refrigerant spray rate will reduce steam pressure and would allow for slowing turbine speed. The question is, if such a turbine were built, and the DC motor was started up to turn the compressor and start the heat pumping, could the this be self sustaining and even create extra power, turning the DC motor into a generator?

I am looking for ways to make this happen at my home. I would like to produce 2-3Kw of power 7/24/365 to produce 48 to 72 kWh per day year round. Batteries can be used as a buffer for transient high demands. I don't find anyone saying anything very helpful in advancing this effort.

http://www.yourownpower.com/Power/grc%20paper.pdf ABSTRACT Organic Rankine Cycle power production from low temperature resources has inherently a low thermal efficiency. Low efficiency requires increased power plant equipment size (turbine, condenser, pump and boiler) that can become cost prohibitive. The use of ORC power plant hardware derived from air-conditioning equipment overcomes this cost problem since air-conditioning hardware has a cost structure almost an order of magnitude smaller than that of traditional power generating equipment. Using the HVAC derivative concept a low-cost 200 kW ORC power plant has been developed as a derivative of a standard 350 ton air-conditioning equipment. The corresponding PureCycleTM200 product was introduced in 2004. It uses waste heat exhaust gases and air-cooled condenser equipment. This paper describes the extension of this ORC development work towards power production from moderate-temperature geothermal resources. -snip- Due to high cost of the equipment, the penetration of this technology has been limited to specific niche markets such as geothermal. Moreover, most ORC applications have been heavily subsidized. The reason for high equipment cost is that current ORC systems utilize low-volume power equipment hardware. Waste heat power recovery systems are inherently limited in thermal efficiency due to the relatively low temperature of waste heat. Consequently, a waste heat power generating ORC system requires larger capacity components (boiler, condenser, turbine and pump) for equivalent power output than conventional fuel fired power generation equipment. This causes high overall system cost. Efforts to improve the ORC cost structure by focussing on thermal efficiency enhancements have not been successful in bringing the system cost down to a level that would allow a large market penetration. The absence of fuel cost means that the economically correct metric to be used for waste-heat power recovery systems is its cost per unit of power generating capacity ($/kWel). Better efficiency is only beneficial as far as it results in lower equipment/installation cost since the waste heat is free. http://contractingbusiness.com/refrigeration/Honeywell_refrigerant_converts_sunlight_into_electricity_0518 R-245fa is non-flammable, non-ozone-depleting and has low toxicity. The heat transfer properties of Honeywell's R-245fa, including its low boiling point of 59.5 F (15.3 C), makes it ideal for use in ORC systems that use low-temperature heat and waste heat to generate electricity. So is this all a scam? http://www.powerverdeenergy.com/ http://endlessenergyinc.com/how-it-works/ See ThermalGen Pricing Here: ThermalGen 4T-48/24 (2,000 to 3,000 sq ft home) Generates 48KW excess in 24 hours = 2Kw per Hr Total Material Cost = $29,625.00 30% Profit Margin = $9875.00 Retail cost of unit = $39,500.00 ThermalGen 5T-72/24 (3,000 to 4,000 sq ft home) Generates 72 KW in 24 Hours = 3Kw per Hr Total Material Cost = $38,150.00 30% Profit Margin = $16,350.00 Retail cost of unit = $54,500.00 ThermalGen 6T-96/24 (4,000 to 5,000 sq ft home) Generates 96KW in 24 hours = 4K per hr Total Material Cost = $43,750.00 30% Profit Margin = $18,750.00 Retail cost of unit = $62,500.00 It seems to me that a 365/7/24 system generating 3 kw for a full day from a geothermal source, is better than a 10kw PV system, running at varying efficiencies depending on time of year and weather, for part of the day. If it works.

A DX geothermal system uses a copper tubing loop in the ground through which is circulated a refrigerant. The refrigerant undergoes a change of state to -40 degrees. There is typically 100ft of ground loop per ton of heating cooling capacity. For heating, a compressor powered by electricity, compresses the gas and heat is extracted from refrigerant in the process of the refrigerant changing state to a liquid. The liquid circulates through the ground loop and picks up heat from the ground changing back into a gas before it returns to the compressor. My understanding of the efficiency claims would be that the process extracts 400 units of energy from the ground in the form of heat, for every 100 units of energy used to power the compressor. The energy used to power the compressor is electricity. Heat is harvested from the ground and is continuously replenished by conductive migration. The ground is used as a heat well, instead of a water well. The refrigerant acts like a sponge soaking up water, but it soaks up heat. The compressor is like squeezing the sponge to release the water, or in the case of the refrigerant, release the heat. As I understand it, the energy released during the state change is 400% of the energy required to provide the pressure for that state change to occur. No new energy is created. That energy is taken from the ground. Perhaps I am misunderstanding the basis of the efficiency claims, but my understanding of the efficiency claims leads me to wonder if a geothermal system could be constructed that could power itself by using a portion of the heat transferred from the ground to make electricity, while using the rest to provide heating and hot water. It would be necessary to increase the ground loop capacity to use some for electrical generation, while the rest is used for heating and cooling. The problem is that even using a desuperheater, hotwater temperature only reaches say 125 degrees F max. It is not hot enough to make steam to drive a generator. Could another refrigerant be used in a heat exchange, instead of water, to drive a turbine with a state change at say 110 degrees. Run an additional secondary cooling ground loop for the secondary refrigerant. All you are doing is the same thing that is done with geothermal hotspots, but instead of driving generators with steam heated by very hot rocks, you use refrigerant with a much lower boiling point, heated by relatively cool rocks. Bascially, the whole process would be, to use a compressor to extract the heat from DX ground loops. Use a desuperheater to increase the temperature, and then use that heat to cause a state change in a secondary coolant, which drives a turbine. The secondary coolant exits the turbine and is circulated through a secondary ground loop to change state back into a liquid, before being heated into steam to drive the turbine again. You are making electricity. No solar panels. No wind turbines. Heat extracted from the ground is converted into electricity, in an amount which is greater than the electrical energy required to run the process. This all depends on my understanding of the efficiencies. Perhaps I have it all wrong. It's called binary cycle geothermal power. http://reachfwd.wordpress.com/2010/03/30/geothermal-power-an-underrated-alternative-source-of-energy/ The difference is that a refrigerant, a compressor, and a desuperheater are used to elevate the heat extracted from the earth, at an energy penalty, with a further efficiency penalty for the electrical generation. Apparently it all depends on efficiencies. Maybe using 14 degree C ground temperature it is not a suitable solution for large scale power generation, but considering the modest needs to power the actual geothermal unit itself, it might be a suitable solution for that, if the efficiencies in heat transfer and power generation efficiencies can be optimized. Such a system could provide free hot water, and climate control, off the grid. I found more info: http://anz.theoildrum.com/node/4802 Low temperature geothermal power is also starting to attract significant interest, as lower temperature water resources are common in many countries (for example, waste hot water produced by oil and gas wells - in Texas alone, more than 12 billon barrels are produced, with oil companies usually re-injecting the waste water into the earth) and new technologies are beginning to appear that allow these resources to be developed commercially. UTC Power has developed a low-cost Rankine cycle system that can convert temperatures as low as 195 °F (91 °C) into electricity. The technology is similar to a steam engine, with steam or hot water vaporizes a hydrofluorocarbon refrigerant that drives the turbine (it has been compared to a "refrigerator compressor running backwards"). ... time passes... So, now I am investigating boiling points and it looks like ammonia mixtures could be used and have been used to provide turbine generation at low temperatures. Temperature differences between surface water and deep water have been proposed as a source of power generation using ammonia to run turbines. This same concept might be employed for ground source electrical generation. http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/servlet/GetabsServlet?prog=normal&id=JSEEDO000103000002000092000001&idtype=cvips&gifs=yes&ref=no http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Closed_Loop_Ammonia_Turbine You people are being so helpful. Bye

I have seen claims of 400% efficiency in geothermal DX HVAC systems. If you are putting in 100 units of energy and getting 400 units out, could this arrangement be used to generate electricity somehow? I know there is geothermal power generation at underground hotspots, but could any old spot be used to generate power using a DX type ground loop? If you have 400% efficiency, there must be a way to turn that into electrical power.

I doubt saturation is a problem. Parabolic mirrors are already used on the front side in concentrator arrays.

I don't know much about PV panels, but it seemed to me that some at least are translucent. For translucent panels. could their efficiency be improved by putting mirrors behind the panels to reflect back to the panels, light that has already passed through?

Look, I did not like being accussed of using this site as some sort of fantasy fulfillment. I have already explained that I am not a physicist. You want to talk about outside manistream physics. That's me. You know you are outside mainstream physics when you build your experimental apparatus in your basement shop, and do your experiments in your garage. You can do a search for Burkhard Heim on google and you will find many physics forums where he has been discussed. I am relatively new here, regardless of moo's assertion otherwise. I assumed that being a science site, that Heim must have been discussed already, and that the idea of hyperspace would not be so fanciful to you. Heim is not new. This idea has been around for over half a century. Excuse me if I stand back and marvel. I find it hard to imagine any physicist who would not know of the only proposed testable method for travel through hyperspace. I am aghast.

First off, we have a group of physicists here, and you all know e=mc^2. Yet you entertain the idea that you can convert matter into energy for a transporter concept. You all know how much energy that would produce, say for a human being converted. You cannot contain that energy, never mind transmit it. If you could convert matter into energy your first priority would be power generation. You are going off into a fanatasy world. moo is being defensive, and wont admit she is wrong. This is mainstream science being conducted by respected researchers in respected insitutions, based on a theory by a fully trained and qualified theoretical physicist. Just because you don't know about it, or do not know or agree with the theory, does not make it outside mainstream science. It only makes you ignorant of the facts.

OK. I am beginning to lose patience. The whole topic was a fantasy to start with. You were discussing teleportation for @#$% sake. You want to discuss impossible? Teleportation by turning matter into energy and back into matter is impossible. The energy released would blow up a city! Heck we both know it would likely be enough to blow up the whole planet. You are talking about total conversion of matter into energy, not just simple fission even. You would probably take out the moon too. The possiblity of reassembling a living organism in any sort of working state is ridiculous. My point was simply that if you insist on trying to do something impossible, this alternative seems much less impossible, at least there is an idea of how to do it. Suddenly you want me to explain how to do it. Aint happen'n. Fish somewhere else. I was not making any claims, just pointing out that you might get a similar result with a different approach, that seems more doable. In any case I still think it's a really bad idea. As such you cannot possibly expect me to advance the idea, beyond conception. Berhard Heim has a theory. Since he derived all the known particles and their properties, it seems he might have some credibility. He was afterall a theoretical physicist. Look up his bio on wikipedia. Certainly his theory has not been proven, or tested. However it is a testable theory, that is to be tested. That's more that you have to try to disassemble and reassemble matter. So don't tell me about fantasies. I am making more sense than the lot of you. Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged This what I am trying to tell you. It's a really bad idea. Heim stopped work on the propulsion aspect of his theory in 1959. Neither failures nor flaws had made Heim discontinue his propulsion research – it was the unbridled interest of unsavory firms.[13] The preface by Helmut Goeckel to Heim’s first paper in the series of four articles published by Magazine for Missiles indicated various aerospace and ordnance companies had made several attempts to kidnap him. Subsequently, the remainder of his life was devoted to refining the unified field attributes of his theory.[ I agree with him.

Don't you need to take a relativistic view? What is the temporal frame of reference? The only frame of reference is now. In order to move forward in time you must move forward relative to the current now. If you travel along with everything else in the stream of time, you are not travelling relative to the current now. You are always in the current now.

I thought God is love. Are you sure you are channeling God?

I think spiritually advanced aliens would be peaceful and view mankind as violent primatives. Indeed, I imagine that they would view us getting interstellar travel, like we view North Korea or Iran getting the A-bomb.

The US government believes this theory could become reality; researcher Roger Lenard at Department of Energy’s Sandia National Laboratories says he can test the idea with their “Z” machine, which can generate the necessary field intensities and gradients. NASA and the Department of Defense are also expressing interest in hyperspace engines.

Whatever you say. http://memebox.com/futureblogger/show/835-new-hyperspace-engine-could-roundtrip-mars-in-5-hours http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_ylP4kh-xA

I'm glad you feel that way. Please convince others. Like I said. It' a really bad idea, right now.

Ain't happen'n. You need to use a worm booth. That is doable. You don't tear down and rebuild anything. You just take a piece of the manifold, jump it to hyperspace, and re-insert it at the desired destination. Like the Tardis in Doctor Who. The worm field bottles the piece of manifold and provides propulsion. This is much easier than trying to analyse and receate a complex biological structure. It still allows you to seeming pass through solid barriers to reach your destination. Very dangerous weapon delivery system. No place could be secured. People could steal just about anything. Home invasions and kidnappings would be rampant. You couldn't see it coming. It's a really bad idea. The world needs to see some significant changes before any such thing could be safely introduced.

Science is based in philosophy. It is an extension of philosophy into the realm of predicting outcomes, through understanding initial conditions and underlying principles. Science has proven so good at this, that any potential God would have to co-exist with scientific understanding. Any concept of God must encompass the manifold of the universe and it's scientific principles as a subset, and be founded in sound philosophical and scientific reasoning. Such an understanding of God cannot be achieved unless God is considered within a scientific context. It seems that religion cannot remain isolated, and survive, so religion must turn to philosophy and science to validate itself to the rational mind. Those who dismiss the emotional appeals, and act on reason alone, will not be swayed without scientific clarity. Pathetic attempts at creationist intelligent design are not going to cut it. The answers need to be rooted in physics. The most logical outcome of any such approach appears to be a cosmic consiousness, where the universe itself is a sort of hologrpahic mind of God, much like our minds are based on holographic memory, the universe holds God's holographic memory. Everything in the universe feels emotion, is self aware, and has will, since everything is a part of God's mind. Each thing is limited in its awareness and expression of its will by the confines of its existence. However they sum up to a higher consciousness.