Jeremy0922

Please note a simple fact follow: In different coordinates, the observing results are different for a moving particle. the result in a coordinte could be transferred by coordinates transformation relationship, and will be the same as the result in other coordinate. Coordinate transformation is the correct method for treatment of results in different coordinates. So, if the transformation relationship between two coordinates is unknow or uncertain, the results in these two coordinates can not be compared.

Please see my paper:http://blog.sciencenet.cn/home.php?mod=attachment&filename=GED-Luo.pdf&id=55724 because the theoritical coordinates is not the experimental coordinates

You should not ignore it, because that is wrong action. Schrodinger equation could give some right answer, but matter wave is wrong conception.

However, we are discussing now is a fundamental scientific questions. That is the transformation relationship between theory and experimental coordinate systems. If the transformation relation can not be determined, the experimental data could not be applied to prove the theory. Your words is helpless to solve the question, isn't it?

You think logic relationship between experiment and theory is unnecessary!

We are discussing the logic relationship between the experimental data and the hydrogen atom model of quantum theory. Your answer is about resolution of measurement, and is an other question.

It is a problem about logic, but not an error. So the answer only is yes or no.

A scientific theory or model about nature must obey scientific rules,such as logic, causality, and could completely not partially be confirmed by the facts. If a theory which is even the current mainstream thinking violate these rules, we should question its correctness and scientificalness. And I believe we will eventually prove that is wrong and will abandone it.

By the solutions and consequences of Schrödinger equation (and E=hv), the prolems of atomic, molecular, and solid-state structures and spectrums could be solved. As my works shown Schrödinger equation and E=hv could be deduced by classical theory. So, I suggest: Matter wave, quantum which are unnecessary conceptions and come a lot of contradictions, could be discarded. see above

I disagree what you said above, and insist that quantum theory lacks some scientific foundation.

You misunderstand my work, as the classical theory has been misunderstood since 1900s. That is the logic deduction by quantum theory, and I think there should not be logic error in a scientific theory. Thanks for your information

But, there is no problem, if it is considered as a classical system. But, random movement and space can not be ignored. It will take some time to solve the problems you give above.

My works is to prove the structure and linear spectrum of hydrogen atom could be explained by classical theory , but I have not thought about problems of molecule etc. I think I have given you my answer above. "It is random and uncertain by the description of quantum mechanics. If it is a classical system, the movement of the center of mass will produce the shift of spectrum, and could be determined by Doppler effect."

It is random and uncertain by the description of quantum mechanics. If it is a classical system, the movement of the center of mass will produce the shift of spectrum, and could be determined by Doppler effect.

I think that lacks logic the movement of the nucleus is random and uncertain by the concept of quantum mechanics, so the coordinate system moves randomly and uncertainly too.

My question is about the coordinate system to describe atom (quantum mechanic system), and I want to known the relationship between the coordinate system and the laboratory. Because that is the basis to compare the experimental data with the theoretical result of Quantum mechanics.

Thank you for your suggestion but I insist my question. The relationship between the laborary and the coordinate system (used in quantum mechanics) must be clear and certain, and it is the question about the scientific foundation of quatum mechanics.

An other serious question: By the concept of quantum mechanics, the movement of the particle is random and uncertain, proton coordinate or center of mass coordinate in hydrigen atom are random and uncertain referring to the laboratory, Therefore, the spectrum experimental data of hydrogen atom can not be applied to confirm quantum mechanics.

It will take some time for a new theory to be improved and to solve the questions one by one. I think I have not the ability to complete all works, and more researchers are needed to do these works.

the above is the abstract of my paper published in GED, and the structure and linear spectrum of the hydrogen atom were treated by classical theory.

More research work are needed to solve your question. the main works I have done is as follow: The hydrogen atom is a two-particle electromagnetic system controlled by the interaction between the electron and the proton. So a reliable description about electromagnetic phenomena in it should depend on treatment of the electromagnetic interaction of the periodically changing electric current elements caused by moving charged particles. As a result of pinch effect of the induced fields and interaction of displacement currents, the distribution and propagation of induced field are sharply restricted with increase of frequency, and the induced electric field could be pinched in a narrow tubular space, and at higher frequency it could spread on a bended path near the charged particle . The ground state of the hydrogen atom is a unique steady state, the balance state of mechanics, in which the radiation reaction in one charged particle is counteracted by the action of induced field caused by the other. For an isolated hydrogen atom, the ground state is the natural state ; any lower energy orbit is prohibited by action of radiation field, and the higher energy orbit will go back to ground state because of spontaneous radiation. Orbit closure is a necessary condition for any steady orbit to satisfy. The modal response is the steady state of hydrogen atomic orbits. The electron jumps from the ground state to a modal orbit with high discrete energy by resonant absorption. The modal equation of the hydrogen atom was deduced by means of standing wave analysis, and selecting the ground orbit of the hydrogen atom as basic reference to describe the other modal orbits, then the modal equation was changed to the same mathematical form with the Schrödinger equation.

You can find the model in my manuscript and GED paper, in the openning post of this thread.

The resonance of the orbit vibrates with a frequency.

The atom can not stay in that state, and will go back to the ground state while the electromagnetic radiation was produced

After the atom is excited in higher energy eigen-orbit, the external field is varying, and could exsist or disapear.