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Your claim came first, which did not quote anyone, and you are free to ask for evidence. And this is still not evidence - you haven’t pointed to any “known observation” - just deflection. Interesting. (well, rather mundane, really)

https://www.twz.com/air/drone-incursions-closed-wright-patterson-air-force-bases-airspace-friday-night “there has been a flood of mostly unconfirmed and erroneous reported sightings throughout New Jersey. Of more than 5,000 tips called into a national hotline set up to deal with these sightings, fewer than 100 generated leads “deemed worthy of further investigation,” an FBI spokesman told reporters, including from The War Zone, on Saturday. The overwhelming majority of these sightings, as we have previously reported, are crewed aircraft, the official reiterated on Saturday.”

! Moderator Note I didn’t. I’m not the only one here enforcing the rules. You’ve repeatedly violated them, and you don’t get to dictate terms. There’s no “even” here - if anything, you owe the mods for wasting our time. Sockpuppets accounts to avoid a ban are an automatic ban.

But you presented multiple examples of cultural evolution - passing information from one generation to the next. You also presented no evidence that the indicated behavior is learned and not innate. (it might very well be, but you have not shown that this is the case) I said nothing about avoiding predators, but I guess that would be one reason to do so. Because you have not accurately described evolution. You have presented an incorrect description in order to discredit it.

So it’s cultural evolution, rather than culture controlling evolution. Cultural evolution is a distinct phenomenon from biological evolution. If an individual were raised in isolation, how would cultural effects be passed along to the individual? Culture can potentially affect evolution; you could, for example, have a population decide to live someplace (e.g. at a high elevation) and over time that could exert selection pressure. But that’s not control. Your argument is a strawman.

The Geminids meteors peaked a few days ago. I wonder if that had any impact on these sightings.

It’s in the spirit of science to present models and evidence that supports your ideas, which you repeatedly fail to do, and what our rules require. Your threads get shut down because you don’t comply with our rules. Not having the math is a fatal flaw, especially in physics, since you can’t quantify anything. If your idea is so vague it can’t be falsified, it’s not science. Listening to and reading about physics is not the same thing as doing physics. If you want to propose an idea, you have to do physics.

That’s not very illuminating. What is it about any one of these that implied control over evolution? So what? You appear to be trying to sensationalize this as if it’s not business-as-usual for all of science. You’re unlikely to drum up concern from people familiar with the process and progress of science. Yup. Science discovers new things. Not really news. Sun rises in east kind of stuff. And you need to provide a lot more detail about this so it can be discussed. Again, you need to provide details. Since you still haven’t learned how to comply with the rules, here’s the link and a relevant passage https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg26435201-500-the-extraordinary-ways-species-control-their-own-evolutionary-fate/ “Living in the desert is a challenge. But the Mojave desert woodrat has an ace to play: it can eat poison. This allows the cute little rodent to survive and thrive by feeding on toxic creosote bushes. Remarkably, it hasn’t evolved the genes required to do so. Instead, it eats the faeces of other woodrats and thereby inherits detoxifying bacteria that take up residence in its gut.” I don’t see how this is control over its evolution. It’s not like the woodrats decided to start eating poison to build up a resistance to it, and “inherits” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here — there’s nothing here that says this is passed along to its offspring - is that what’s happening? If not, this is a fallacy of equivocation. It’s not what others mean by inherited. A possibly inherited trait is eating the feces. Another thing you’ve continued to fail to learn is that one scientist saying something doesn’t make it true. Lots of stuff gets proposed. A fair fraction eventually gets shot down.

Yes. It’s inaccessible if you aren’t a subscriber, but some people might be. If all you can do is provide quotes, it suggests you don’t understand the article well enough to discuss it. How, then, can you draw any conclusions? And yet you do, rather than ask what the author meant. A lot of discoveries are surprises. What implications are you referring to? That we descended from earlier forms of life? No, that seems unchanged. That species change over time, affected by the environment? That seems fine. That some individuals will be better suited to the prevailing conditions, and have a better chance to survive and reproduce? No, that still seems to hold. What this looks like is looking for instances of certain phrasing, trying to twist a discussion to make it sound like support for an agenda

! Moderator Note Then it was presumably copyrighted, so reproducing it in full is a violation of the rules and copyright law. Which means post a summary and provide a link. What is this "control"? I see multiple mentions of "influence" but then there's nuance in what that means. Control implies making a choice. Influence means involvement. I influence the level of water in a pool when I get in - it changes - but if I'm just floating there I do not control it. Pick an example and discuss it. Further, Darwin spoke of inherited traits; he did not know about genetics. So finding that there are other channels for inherited traits has no effect on Darwinian thought. And the suggestion that epigenetics are somehow a new surprise to biologists is an interesting notion. I'm not a biologist and have been aware of epigenetics for a while. I presume biologists are more aware of their field than I am. The theory of evolution has evolved over time as we learn more, but that's true of any theory. So casting this in a sensationalist light doesn't reflect reality.

! Moderator Note And I’m pointing out that that’s not following our rules ”members should be able to participate in the discussion without clicking any links” ”Documents must also be accompanied by a summary, at minimum.” (from rule 2.7)

! Moderator Note Just to clarify (not that will penetrate a certain cranium) but the reason for banning and removal of these posts has nothing to do with the merit of the post, but because you’re a sockpuppet and your previous behavior has resulted in you not being welcome here. You will continue to be banned on sight.

Saw an uncorroborated report of someone shining a laser at one, and someone else found that a FedEx flight was flying past at the time, making it a federal crime. Panic and stupidity are a bad combo.

There’s that, but more that it’s people who don’t often look up at the night sky and are unfamiliar with what you see. There’s a reason Venus is often mistaken for a UFO. And it’s even worse these days with all the starlink and other satellites. Now that I have relatively dark skies around me I’ve seen a bunch of them an hour or two after sunset

The “drones” Maryland Governor Hogan filmed recently were stars in the constellation Orion “The stars at the 39 second mark are recognizably the constellation Orion. From this you can determine that the bright lights behind the trees are the stars Sirius and Procyon. No anomalous objects are apparent in this video.” https://katv.com/news/nation-world/larry-hogan-says-dozens-of-drones-flew-over-maryland-home-entirely-unacceptable-new-jersey-md-east-coast-flying-objects-ufos

It’s 20 minutes. Please summarize, as the rules require.

That’s not a rebuttal of the point, nor evidence that supports your contention

That’s not an EMP weapon. As the link says, it’s a directed-energy weapon. There are also devices that try to jam the radio-control of drones

! Moderator Note That’s great but posting to advertise your site is against the rules.

When you’re asked for evidence of a claim, you’re expected to provide it, rather than continue making claims that lack supporting evidence.

No, they don’t. They never say entanglement in that description. ! Moderator Note Nope. It’s clear you don’t understand what entanglement is, and have resisted all attempts to correct your misunderstanding. Since there’s no new ground to cover, this is closed. Don’t bring it up again.

! Moderator Note Rules require the material for discussion be posted, rather than just linked to (be it a file or url)

If they don’t know, their options are to say so, or lie, which means making something up. If they say it’s drones being flown by Hell’s Angels, then they have to say they’re powerless to stop them, because they can’t go and arrest anyone. And if/when they do find out what’s going on and it’s not Hell’s Angels, they look even more foolish. Sounds like a plan, right? If they don’t say there’s no danger then they have to say there is. I’m sure that wouldn’t cause a panic. “Be afraid” is so very reassuring. News collection is often slow, while dissemination is now fast. The early portion of any story is often filled with conjecture and filler. Think of active shooter stories, or natural disasters, and how much they get wrong in the initial reports. Investigation takes time.

cheeshe has been banned as a sockpuppet of Gan5

In that video I saw a couple of objects with flashing lights (one clearly had red in it) just like you’d expect with a plane. Not flying with lights off, as I saw claimed somewhere (how would you see it at night if it has no lights?) The only weird thing to me was the bluish triangle lights. What was not weird was a bunch of people spouting nonsense, like “Iranian mothership” because some people do like getting on TV, and taking ten minutes to present thirty seconds of information with the rest filler opinion and BS, because that’s the curse of 24/7 cable news programming We don’t know until we do, but nothing presented has ruled out a couple of drones + regular plane traffic + mass hysteria because it’s in the news. Or Aqua Teen Hunger Force has a new viral marketing campaign. I saw a post on social media recently about someone in East Germany before the wall fell. They painted small rocks purple and left them around town on occasion, and it drove the Stasi/police nuts trying to figure out what the meaning was because it HAD to mean SOMETHING because that’s how their minds were wired. Once you’ve decided on a conclusion, if you aren’t careful, everything you see will point toward it.