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That would be it! Thanks.

I would say both. It only took about 5 years to hear TEPCO apologize for covering up the meltdowns they knew had happened. http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/24/asia/tepco-fukushima-meltdown/ The technical issues are so great, none of us alive may ever know the state of the ruined reactors.

Yes of course.

I searched and found nothing, but it might be under a different name. If this is the wrong forum, please move it. No worries.

The RSS data means there has been no trend for 210 months In other words, the average value of the global temperature mean for that period is unchanged, from the average mean temperature pf the satellite measuring period. In short, there has been warming and cooling, but they even each other out, so that in general, the global temperature seems to be unchanged for that time period. Which isn't the entire story.

The other way to simply remove an unwanted carbon from the atmosphere is to fertilize the oceans with minerals. Powdered rust for example allows algae to grow in an otherwise sterile regions of the oceans. But rock dust or even desert sand works as well. If it was actually about removing CO2, this would simply be done and problem over.

http://news.sciencemag.org/asiapacific/2013/11/desert-farming-experiment-yields-first-results http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/bulletin/saltwater-cooled-greenhouse-grows-crops-in-the-sahara/

Greenhouses, using salt water and using solar pumps to move the water, the sun to evaporate it, work quite well in deserts, and a large project is underway. They found the leakage from inside the greenhouse to the desert outside actually allowed plants to simply grow around the greenhouses, which already produce food. Solar power, quite available in deserts, can pump water, desalinate it, grow food, and green the surrounding desert, all with less cost that building one nuclear power pant. Or fighting a war.

So you say the issue is only one of "how much warming will happen, and when?", is that your position?

But, that IS the debate!

I'm late to the debate. Is it still happening?

Way to harsh my buzz dude. A guy's car breaks down way out in the country, and he goes to a nearby farmhouse for help. They phone the nearest garage for him, then insist that he join them for dinner while they wait for the mechanic to arrive. The meal's delicious, but their visitor can't help noticing a pig wandering the house like it was the family's pet dog. Even stranger, the pig has a wooden leg. Sitting down with the farmer in front of the fire after dinner, the guy finally just has to ask: what's with the pig? The farmer settles back and says: "Well, it's quite a story. A couple of years back, a smouldering log fell out of the grate here in the middle of the night, and it set the whole house on fire. My wife and I were asleep, so we didn't know anything about it, but that pig smelt smoke from way out in the yard, crashed through the window there and dragged our baby out through the flames by grabbing his romper suit in its teeth. "Then it ran back through, the flames again, squealed at the foot of our bed till it woke us up, and led us both to safety through the burning house. My wife and I passed out from the smoke, but he stayed by our baby all night, fought off a bunch of wolves and revived us come morning by dragging a bucket of water back from the old well and spilling it on our faces. Saved all our lives." The visitor is stunned. "That's amazing," he says. "And I suppose the pig lost its leg as a result of his injuries that night?" "Nope," said the farmer, sucking his pipe. "Didn't get a scratch. But you don't eat a pig like that all at once ..."

They get a lot worse.

Two scientists walk into a bar. The first scientist says ‘I’ll have a glass of H2O” The second scientist says ‘I’ll have a glass of water too. Wh… why did you say H2O? Like, I know it’s the chemical formula for water and all, but it’s the end of the day and there’s really no need to intentionally over-complicate things like that in a situation outside of work” The first scientist stares at his drink, angry that his assassination plan has failed.

I'm more of just a skeptic. not really a climate skeptic. I believe in climate.

Yes, but it's not just CO2 that causes changes. New paper on radiative forcings and such. Reconciling anthropogenic climate change with observed temperature 1998–2008, Kaufmann et al, PNAS (2011).

Well it only took 15 years to find out the truth about TMI. I would say in thirty years we might know what happened in Fukushima

While watching the new HOUSE episode last night I thought about this thread, because there were potato guns on the show.

If you go by the scant data released by TEPCO, then you can't really know anything about what is actually happened, or is happening there. So by the evidence there is no scientific basis for any conclusions yet.

You would have to be living under a rock to not get that sarcasm.

It's a good thing that reactor problem is over. Time to close this thread.

Zirconium will oxidize (burn) underwater.

Or a hydrogen gas explosion that rips the building to shreds.

The top Japanese officials have admitted that the plant has been releasing deadly radiation for a while now, and expressed deep remorse for not telling anyone sooner. No US officials were surprised.