My father took me into the field while he mapped parts of Kentucky and New Mexico for the USGS. Climbing rock faces to reach opal, chasing road runners, trying to figure out how my dad could know what rocks lied below our feet by looking at what was exposed on the surface. He would let me help color the maps some times. I think for most scientests, some informal science experience is at the foundation of our interest.
I teach this dichotomy to pre-service elementary grade teachers, and I've found it helpful to reframe the definition as "matter is a property of energy". It is probably six, one half dozen which way they are defined. The point is, they are interchangable.
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