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Yes, I hadn't thought of it from that perspective. Building a wall feels like you are doing something. If the wall is being built, then you must be making progress. In some ways building the wall would be a good thing, If you cannot make people feel better about immigrants by presenting studies, then make them feel better by building a wall.

Yes. My point to Arete was that negative immigration does not obviate the need to hinder those who continue to break the law every year. That is like saying we don't need any more gun control measures because murders are down. There are plenty of reasons to not build a wall, I just don't believe that negative immigration is one of them.

I suppose to stop some of the Mexican Nationals entering the US, such as the 870,000 that your source tells us entered the United States from Mexico from 2009 - 2014.

I can't imagine why it would be wrong to take actions that you believe would lead to general contentment and happiness. Isn't that what we all strive to do for the most part? As I stated, my kids used that strategy (with my concurrence) and it worked well for them.

"I don't have any child (I find that not so astonishing since I'm 19 years old), but allow me to state that that makes me less biased in my opinion than parents on these forums." I don't see how. You have less experience than us. You've experienced parents but not children, while we've experienced parents and children. In my opinion it is you who is more biased. But to your question, I believe that on average the life of the child is worth more than the life of the adult due to the fact that they will lose so much more than the adult if they die. This is simply due to the fact that they have more life in front of them than the adult. I also find it more upsetting when a child suffers due to their inability to understand their situation.

I experience essentially the same whether prior to sleep in bed or often in airplanes. In airplanes where I never seem to actually fall asleep, I still find it a very restful state, similar to actually sleeping.

Sorry, I should know better than to look beyond the words typed. All my fault.

Why do I get the impression you are trying to provoke me? Did I do something to annoy you? Did you really want me to answer the question "And what size pond do they come from?"

It's just an analogy.

I didn't say it did. I was talking about opportunities.

Yes, that's why he chose not to attend the school where everyone was a big fish.

All the time. My older son chose to work at a small company right out of college so that he would have the opportunity to learn a greater skill set. He got that one exactly right. My younger son who was intellectually well above average chose not to attend the private high school with very high entrance requirements, but instead chose a high school whose motto was that you would fit in regardless of your abilities. This son got opportunities because he was only competing with a handful of peers rather than an entire class of peers.

Opportunities often arise and are typically offered to the top performers. Being the big fish can expand your learning opportunities and make for a better CV. Therefore I generally prefer to be the big fish. On the other hand I cannot think of any situation that would cause me to choose a community college over Harvard.

The solution I usually follow is to disengage with them. I don't try to change their beliefs, or get hostile with them, or get angry with them. I simply reduce my interactions with them. The amount of disengagement varies with the person; I can't see cutting close family out of my life completely so I would just reduce my interactions with them, but with people less important to me I might completely cut them out.

Apparently not. All evidence to the contrary. There is another approach. You can say to the commenter, "what is your meaning". Speculating seems to regularly get you sidetracked into minor pseudo-conflicts.

Let's not pat ourselves on our backs too hard. I've seen 'science' be quite disrespectful while presenting its position, including on this site.

1958 -- I'm the old guy in this thread so far. At work, people usually think I'm younger than I am, which I attribute to the fact that I often joke around, tease people, and pull pranks.

You made the fallacy of equating the motto from ISIS with the M quote, and you made the fallacy of equating the M quote with preferring one day of violence over 100 years of peace. The only reason I brought up the Seal Team and Franklin was because if you are going to make up equivalences with the M quote to make it sound BAD, I can just as easily do the same to make it sound GOOD. Really? Then perhaps you shouldn't have said "The quote is essentially the motto of ISIS". The bottom line here is that you equated "It is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as sheep" with Trump "prefers one day of violence over 100 years of peace". You then went on to defend your assertion against Trump by describing sheep running around in lovely green meadows. It doesn't work. You are criticizing Trump with false allegations. In this regard you are no better than him.

Why do you so easily equate it with ISIS? Do you have the EXACT ISIS motto? Mussolini also did not say "he prefers one day of violence over 100 years of peace". Yet you take his quote, apply that meaning to it, then attribute that same violent stance to Trump. That is neither logical nor fair. By your reasoning I am a crook because I did not recognize that Nixon was a crook. Right back at you slick. Nothing about preferring one day of violence over 100 years of peace in the M quote.

What makes you think he didn't? Mussolini was not the first person to say it.

The quote is essentially the motto of the Navy Seals. It's better to live one day as a warrior fighting for freedom than to live 100 years subjugated by our enemies. The quote is essentially the motto of Benjamin Franklin. It's better to live one day fighting for essential liberty than to live 100 years without liberty.

If that is your explanation, fine. But I don't think you are going to convince many people the one equals the other. Seems like quite a stretch to me.

If you ever decide to change careers you may want to look into poetry!

Exactly why does it mean "he prefers one day of violence over 100 years of peace"?