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You misunderstand the meaning of body autonomy. It does not mean remaining healthy. It means being in charge of decisions regarding your own body. You may think that giving up decisions regarding your body to the fools who often run government is a good idea; I do not.

I'm not sure if you are under the impression I am conflating the two. What I am suggesting is that essentially forcing a shot on someone is unreasonable in this pandemic. I think that denying access to employment, private spaces, etc. if there is no vaccine is a better approach. I don't think that previously getting a vaccine should disqualify you from refusing future vaccinations.

Bodily integrity is the inviolability of the physical body and emphasizes the importance of personal autonomy, self-ownership, and self-determination of human beings over their own bodies. In the field of human rights, violation of the bodily integrity of another is regarded as an unethical infringement, intrusive, and possibly criminal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodily_integrity

I think it is important to define what is meant by "enforcing" and "deadly". As I said before I generally feel that the response by authorities to this pandemic has been adequate, including the enforcement of vaccine mandates against this deadly disease. I wish more people viewed public health the way our members do, but I'm reluctant to support the government mandating 'vaccine or fine/confinement/etc.' for people outside the employ of the government. I have no problem with not granting people privileges to the unvaccinated (access to private property or employment for example) but taking their money or freedom of movement unless they give up body autonomy seems unwarranted.

Correct. Which is one of the reasons we don't have mandatory vaccinations for COVID.

Without the context I provided your response would be unassailable. But it is not reasonable to punish people when they do follow the rules then express outrage when they are hesitant the next time they are presented with a set of rules. Authority has broken the two way bond with many groups and now should deal with that loss of trust themselves instead of punishing those certain groups who do not readily get on board with the new rules.

And is it you who decides which is the correct train? Like everything else we discuss on this site things are not as simple as black and white. Most people here are of the same opinion and therefore the echos reinforce the legitimacy of that opinion. But some are reluctant to get a jab because authorities tell them to, and with good reason. We cannot punish people who don't do what we tell them to do, when they've seen suffering due to listening to authority in the first place. And last but not least, I suspect you'll find close to zero the number of health care professionals who would act on your suggestion.

Great OP CharonY! It is my opinion that for the most part, in most countries, governmental response during this pandemic has been adequate as outlined above. It is a fine balancing act trying to weigh certain rights against other (freedom of movement vs. right to be healthy) and any of numerous scenarios on which way we tilted would have been fine. There is no 'perfect' response to a pandemic. While someone who knows they are infected and purposely attempts to infect others as we've seen a few do with coughing on others in public deserves to be restrained, the thought of jailing people because they flaunt regulations by taking a walk around the neighborhood or other minor violations, seems extreme. We cannot control all risk and that should not be our goal.

I'll provide my bona fides soon. I don't want my posts deleted. After all, it's all about my credentials (and ability to not generate typos), not the content of my posts.

WTF? Are we requiring some sort of test before allowing people to participate on this site?

To begin with, it was the OP who made the link. Second, unless the jailing of of citizens can be justified by the harm they will cause, then we are very much talking about human rights violations. It's not. But freedom of movement is. You must tread very lightly if you want to make the punishment for not washing your hands a stint in jail.

Sure, if it was like Ebola, harsher steps would be required. Although the OP basically said 'what have we learned and what should we do differently?' For a replay of COVID-19 I would find incarceration to be unacceptable.

Looks like I might be in the minority in this thread but I couldn't disagree with this one strongly enough. I'd rather get COVID and join the (ugh) Republican Party than be part of forgetting human rights and locking people up.

Can you tell me who is using a PC filter? I ask because I've not seen either side of the discussion doing that. Any example would be great.

Very Nice!!!

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Oh, now I get it. 😄

I'm sitting here thinking, 'wasn't I just on the music thread?' That's pretty cool!

I don't know if it is 'main purpose', but let's not forget that mulching done in the fall is in large part to keep the soil from thawing prematurely. If not mulched and you have a couple of early warm days in the spring, you run the risk of root growth beginning which can then be damaged by a subsequent freeze.

That's true. Although I more had in mind exploratory missions where we seem to get all the information we need about their structure. Why not? I would think something stealthy would be able to avoid my sight from 250 miles away.

Those are really nice! Where did you get the wood? Tree in your yard or elsewhere? Did you start with the bark still on? That bow tie is perfectly fitted! I built a bench with through tenons once and know how hard it is to be that precise (mine wasn't as good). 😁

Yes I made the cuts with a router (they are supposed to be reminiscent of a comet). For the circle I tapped a finishing nail into the board, used a Dremel to cut a small groove on the router base for a way to 'lock into' the nail, then just moved the router around the nail. Then I clamped a straight edge on the base so I could make the straight cuts. One of the things I like about these projects is I always seem to have to do something I've not done before. It was fun to wire the lamp, including a toggle switch I added.

Thanks iNow! Good call on the woods! Exactly right. Damn you've been busy. You are probably also collecting new tools as you go along. That's one of my favorite parts about new projects. 😁

Thanks! Although to be fair, I pushed all the magazines off the end table so I had a spot to place the lamp. 😁 The bulbs that represent the flames also flicker so it gives a nice effect.