rigney

What bothers me no end is seeing someone decked out in designer jeans and exponents of the same genre, buy a half dozen cases of Evian bottled water and pay for it using food stamps.

This incident happened more than 65 years ago, but tends to stress what can occur if people get fed up with government corruption, regardless of its size . At some point, the price of corruption is retribution. http://voxvocispublicus.homestead.com/Battle-of-Athens.html This one, 4 minutes. This one, an hour or so from my own home town and 2 hrs. in length. But this was what guns were made for back then. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usBvIZKtWXQ

Hog Wash? Oh! I think you know better? But unless I miss my guess, Santa passed you right on by at Christmas, and now Easter Bunny is about to do the same thing.

I know that statement isn't your reason for taking science as being verbatim, or is it?. Should it be said that what you have been taught to understand about science is to be believed without question? No! Without it being falsabiable to you it isn't scientific at all, right? While I'm not making a case for Christianity or religion in general, to make a blatent assumption as you have that it is all hog wash simply because you can't accept it, is very foolish indeed.

I'm not much of a believer, but when a classy guy like Reagan spoke his mind as he did, it made me wonder?

It should be repealed. Founding fathers were wrong about some things and ignorant of many things that we know today. This was one of them. rigney: Sorry John, but I had to give you the minus - on your answer. It's hard for me to believe that you, being a senior as myself, would see the issue of gun control in such a malignant manner. Yes!, Our founding fathers deliberated to great length on many issues, knowing their wisdom would be questioned. Yet, we as a growing herd of sheeple people dare to question the most bizarre mandates coming from our government today, especially the executive orders coming fast and furiously from the white house.

Time is not an entity unto itself nor a part of anything else, only a measurement we have found useful to describe natural events. Even using it as Einstein did to describe space time seems wrong to me. (the atomic clock thing), or speeding along at the speed of light and changing course. When you alter the outcome of events, you also change time duration and perception. http://mysearch.avg.com/search?q=why+is+the+combining+of+space+and+time+ok+by+einstein%3F&sap=hp〈=en&mid=fa37236bd2e84428a02040aaab8db9a5-5b7622d8d0b80c4f9baf95d97b35744efe6b39f0&cid=%7B7CC3D9A6-6F0D-4709-8CF8-DC8917A8E4F4%7D&v=14.2.0.1&ds=hk018&d=2%2F16%2F2013+11%3A53%3A24+AM&snd=hp&pid=safeguard&sg=1&sap_acp=0 http://www.ws5.com/spacetime/ http://pages.towson.edu/zverev/conceptual/5.htm

ACG52 ACG52Molecule Senior Members 676 posts Your quote: Posted Yesterday, 03:54 PM The BB did not originate at a central point. There is no central point of the universe. The BB happened (and is still happening) at every point in space. To make such a statement as an absolute fact amazes me. Not saying you are wrong, but do you have proof of such a conviction? Here are a plethora of different views, but not one that I have the knowledge to substantiate. Does my lack of understanding make all of them wrong? http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqICsyiBRZAUAxUj7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTBvcXNvNnBqBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDVjEzMw--?p=How+far+can+we+see+into+the+universe%3F&vid=0e1d58e58a1b235cf48a21519bf84014&l=1%3A02&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DV.5043164336554116%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6_1LNs29CFU&tit=The+Farthest+We+Can+Ever+See+into+the+Universe&c=2&sigr=11a52j9en&&tt=b

How sensible things sound when stated correctly.

Mathematically I can't argue the point. But even if the universe originated from a singularity, which instantly rushed out into full bloom and is still expanding at some rate of speed, why is it still doing so and into what is it expanding, other than an immeasurable continuum.? And even a piece of lumber, say a 2x4, or an irregularly shaped pond has a center if you geometrically extrapolate them.

If our universe started as a Big Bang originating from a central point, regardless of size, why now has science determined ithat it may be flat or saddle shaped along with spherical? The fact we can see 40 billion light years in any direction make me wonder how the univewrs could be flat or saddle shaped? And do we know for sure that everything is moving equidistantly apart as suggested by infrared shift? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_of_the_Universe

I think we should simply look at the issues as history has produced them. The asians weren't looking through rose colored glasses in 1941 when Japan started a war with the US. They had seen and heard glitches of the atrocities perpetrated in Germany beginning in the early 30s. Sadly, the Japanese were doing the same thing in China, but much worse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labour_under_German_rule_during_World_War_II#Forced_workers

Neither!

As much as I hate to say it, there were more gun related murdered in Chicago in 2012, than all that were killes maliciously in the US during slavery, from the beginning up and through 1865. During that peroid slaves were considered valued property much as a cow, horse or hog might be. Was it wrong? Hell Yes it was wrong! But I don't read history as a science or pity someone, but as an informative piece of literature. Were there atrocities? Hell Yes! Am I glad slaves didn't have arms? Hell Yes! Had they been armed, likely all of them would have been dead, along with a bunch of whites. And what a tragedy that would have also been. If slave and Extermination Camps were ever built in this nation, it was for the RED MAN. They were the ones who really got a screwing. Read the links Slavery in the Americas up and through 1865 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States Jim Crow Laws http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws Two Japanese Internment Camps between 1041-1945 http://www.azpbs.org/arizonastories/ppedetail.php?id=8 German Internment Camps in the Us between 1942-1945 http://www.traces.org/germaninternees.html Indiginous Americans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States

I was hoping someone would come aboard and help out with this puzzle. If not, I hope the reading is not so far removed that it is only gibberish. Below is a link begging the question, where does the energy go that is beind dissipated from a slowing pulsar? http://www3.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de/public/pr/pr-pulsar-ttauris-feb2012-en.html Written many years ago and for good or bad, here is another. http://zapatopi.net/kelvin/papers/kinetic_theory.html

Wish I had gone into this (thought process) just a bit deeper before throwing it out there to you. But since everything I have read and looked at leads me to believe the universe is cyclic, it's only a matter of trying to align anothers thoughts with my own. Being no artist I can only visualize what I'm trying to explain. So, to get my point across, I'm asking you to draw a 1'' circular black dot on a sheet of paper. Next, draw a 2'' empty circle around the dot depicting a void containing nothing but expansion. Then draw a 3'' circle equally enveloping the other two. This third and outer area is our active and physical universe which is being depleated as I write this due to the exchange of known energy being transformed into anti energy and going back to the core. Now, think of all three areas expanding. The core, in volume and weight due to the transfer of energy from our active universe, the void and active universe because of the explosive expansion of the "Big Bang". Then think of the universe as being "spherical" instead of flat, convex, or a saddle shaped manifold, or being a part of something larger. To say that the universe has no center or outer limit troubles me. To look across a thing so vast as our universe and state that everything seems to be moving away from us, makes sense, regardless of which direction a telescope is pointed, we are looking at the outer reaches of our imaginary envelope. Other than math, ask me as you will and I will try explaing as i think. Since I am skeptical of any unproven theory, here is one Mr. Penrose supposedly deduced by using math.

Are dark matter and dark energy physical properties of an ever expanding universal system that will eventual die or vanish through entropy or some other catastrophe, or are they the antithesis of a system gradually morphing into a new beginning? Since I have a hard time believing this graph, I was wondering what other ideas might be out there? Image credit: NASA / WMAP science team. Would the Universe recollapse, like the yellow line shows? Would it expand off into infinity, watching its size increase ever-so-slowly as the expansion rate drops to zero, begging for just one more proton, as that would be enough to cause a recollapse, like the green line? Or would it expand off into the abyss of emptiness, like the blue line? In any case, it would never follow that ridiculous curve shown by the red line; nobody even considered that. Yet in 1998, the data came in, and of those four cases, what did the data indicate?

I have stated on several occasions that it is the constitutional right deemed by the (second amendment), of any and all sane citizens of the United States to own a defensive weapon, whether it be a rifle, hand gun, knife or baseball bat, regardless of race, creed or ethnicity. Quit trying to make it more difficult than it is. 'Course we don't want everybody to start playing with them like this. http://www.wimp.com/fastestgunman/ I liked Carlins wit! The guy could make a joke or entertaining skit out of anything. Sometimes he went a bit too far, but I don't believe anyone but a Charles Manson type nut would ever take him seriously.

Stories and opinions are like a-- holes. We all have one and some are unlucky enough to have two or more. You seem to be the one wanting to bring up the issue of blacks, whites and greens. People are generally just people until some a-- hole stirs them up. That's may be your opinion, but not what I said.

No! Just saying, if the six or seven million Jews and the five or six million detainees (slaves) had a means of protecting themselves other than through a vocal protest, perhaps the nazis would have paid one hell of a bigger price for their takeover. The concertration camps used to house the Japanese living in this country in 1941 were much different than the death camps of Germany and Poland. While they weren't exactly the Ritz Carlton or Hyatt, conditions were. livible. Jesus H. Christ! We had just been attacked by the Royal Japanese Fleet at Pearl Harbor killing 3,000 of our military and civilians.. Was our government going to give a very secretive society based in western California, food stamps, federal housing and other substities? Hell no! Frank Nehi, a good acquaintence of mine, plus his family lived in such a camp until 1943 when he went into the army. The rest of his kin were there in Oklahoma until sometime in 1946. Frank is about 7 or 8 years older than me, but i never once heard him talk bitter about the camp or how he and his family was treated. The detainee camp at Guantanamo for todays terrorist is much better tnan the one Frank and his parents spent their time in. Given the chance I'd denut, the bastards who killed our diplomats in Benghazi and put their asses in Gitmo forever. Yes, the K.K.K. and Chicago mobs have scared hell out of folks, but they haven't killed millions, "YET". And as long as we have a rational society, I don't believe it can ever happen.

Ah c'mon! Are you saying that a Hick can't wax poetic from time to time through their memory? And the bla-bla-bla is of your own choosing, either because you can't or won't understand more than a chimp seems to do. It was ae time that I was there and as I remember it. Maybe you shoud try it once in a while?

I'm not advocating the arming of any particular faction, sect or ethnic group to usurp control of this nation, but to allow every citizen (sane) who isn't a felon, the right to own a firearm for protection if they so desire. Other than our own Civil War, political power have alwys been the leading reason for change in this country, not a struggle with guns, knives and fists. While we still have the choice in this country, lets keep it that way: "At the ballot box". Without spouting venom or going off half cocked, take a long look at the two links. They make a lot of sence and lead to other links that may be of some help to you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement

Putting things into perspective as I see them Mike, one slave in a "million" is a million slaves too many. While I really didn't start this thread to discuss slavery, unarmed or inadequately armed people striving to maintain a sensible decorum without arms, "forget it". How easy it is to subvert a system if you are the only one holding the clout. If native Americas or African indigents would have had firearms at the time instead of bows. arrows and spears, things would definitly be very different today. As far as the slavery issue you speak of, try the below link and thanks for your input.. http://www.theroot.com/views/100-amazing-facts-about-negro-0

Sal-rite !, I was just hoping to get the post off in the right direction.