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Obtained doesn't come close to " You didn't do that yourself"

So that's what is known as a kawaller bear? Americans are so damn dumn. I thought it was a polar thing. Was it actually patting its paw or was that its last gesture?

Since I can't possibly attest this sqeezed up and margionalized version of Jefferson's Bio, I suggest you read it with tongue in cheek and give it some thought. Thomas Jefferson; Read it in its entirety. Thomas Jefferson was a very remarkable man who started learning very early in life and never stopped. At 5, began studying under his cousin's tutor. At 9, studied Latin, Greek and French. At 14, studied classical literature and additional languages. At 16, entered the College of William and Mary. At 19, studied Law for 5 years starting under George Wythe. At 23, started his own law practice. At 25, was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses. At 31, wrote the widely circulated "Summary View of the Rights of British America⤠and retired from his law practice. At 32, was a Delegate to the Second Continental Congress. At 33, wrote the Declaration of Independence . At 33, took three years to revise Virginia 's legal code and wrote a Public Education bill and a statute for Religious Freedom. At 36, was elected the second Governor of Virginia succeeding Patrick Henry. At 40, served in Congress for two years. At 41, was the American minister to France and negotiated commercial treaties with European nations along with Ben Franklin and John Adams. At 46, served as the first Secretary of State under George Washington. At 53, served as Vice President and was elected president of the American Philosophical Society. At 55, drafted the Kentucky Resolutions and became the active head of Republican Party. At 57, was elected the third president of the United States . At 60, obtained the Louisiana Purchase doubling the nation's size. At 61, was elected to a second term as President. At 65, retired to Monticello . At 80, helped President Monroe shape the Monroe Doctrine. At 81, almost single-handedly created the University of Virginia and served as its first president. At 83, died on the 50th anniversary of the Signing of the Declaration of Independence along with John Adams. Thomas Jefferson knew because he himself studied the previous failed attempts at government. He understood actual history, the nature of God, his laws and the nature of man. That happens to be way more than what most understand today. Jefferson really knew his stuff. A voice from the past to lead us in the future: John F. Kennedy held a dinner in the white House for a group of the brightest minds in the nation at that time. He made this statement: "This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence ever to gather at one time in the White House with the exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone." "When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe , we shall become as corrupt as Europe ." -- Thomas Jefferson "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." -- Thomas Jefferson "It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world." -- Thomas Jefferson "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." -- Thomas Jefferson "My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." -- Thomas Jefferson "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson "To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson Thomas Jefferson said in 1802: "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property - until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

Never touch the stuff. If it ain't got "Shine" writ on it somewhere or smells lak shine, i don't trust it. Tried it in Mexico once with a pretty seneoritte footing the bill and danged near strangled. Uh-Uh! No more of that stuff.

I understand much more than what many of you may think, but after 80 years, even a simpleton like me has a mind set. None of us can change politics even with the best of best intentions. So, let's not destroy the very basis on which they were founded. My best, but I hope you lose come November.

It couldn't have been said better, even from Mark Twain.

Sorry guys but I have to get out of this one. You're far beyond my scope of knowledge and I can't hold a candle to any of you statistically. But I know my thoughts and convictions. What you say may be right as rain. But as of now, I disagree. No Mas!

I have several friends who are liberals and I have never heard a one of them ever speak as such. My God! Is this what our country has become? Maybe I should clarify myself. I don't hate Obama, but I detest the way in which he wants to change this nation. I don't hate the rich either. But should we take their money and bring them to a level where nothing can be created? If we do, then we will all be poor and lost. Yes! Businesses, companies and corporations are built on "our shoulders", the worker. Yet, if we drain the till to pay our employees a higher wage, better insurance and retirement packages, there will nothing to compel or urge a company to go forward. If equal rights or equal opportunity were at stake, I'd fight like hell to protect either issue. But that isn't the case. People have become so powerful as a bloc that they dictate how a business must function, and that is wrong. it is also preciously why many companies are closing their doors and/or going over seas. Can you blame them? Give me something to resolve this problem. I'll try understanding your approach to the issue, but make it something worthy of consideration. The BS I'm hearig at present scares hell out of me.

On occasion we have a dream and wonder what it was about? Then, when we are actually lucky enough to see one, the temptation is to ask why?

I knew such feelings were out there, just didnt know where to look. Thanks for the post.

I'm nuts for wacky stuff Moon. Almost good as politics. Gonna take that Elephant Parts thing and put in my files.

No matter from which side of the plate you swing, or even if you are in the ball park at all, give this some thought.

Unfortunatly, that is th case. If all of us found ourselves at the captaind table, we would shortly find our asses in the orlop hoping the damned thing doesn't sink.

In all honesty, I must apologise. That post was actually meant for swansontea. He gives me such a hard time and in jest I was responding only because the guy is head and shoulders intellectually over me. I'm an average hill billy who has been for the most part a democra for half of my life. If you have followed any of my posts it should be evident. I don't hate people on either side of politics, but only try to understand what I believe at the moment. And yes, my prospective changes from time to time. Again, I do apologise.

I have an inkling that you don't like me, even a little bit? Should I be looking for another forum to join up with? You're tough!

In fact some do. Things like, timber, coal, minerals and other resources. Over time they will eventually be using the national infrastructure of which you speak. But financing their business ventures doesn't have a damn thing to do with government, left or right, other than when a defunct auto company or banking business or one of thes wacky wind and solar venture have gone sour. That's when Big G steps in. But fall on you sword (ass) as an entrepreneur, it's just tough shit. But make a buck, and that's when big government wants their chunk of change. I didn't assume anything but only asked a question. But to you my question seemed to be more than just a question?

Yes, after all is said and done, a company pays its taxes on product sold.If I were to say Romney was a boob, would that make you any happier? Romney spoke to a group of athletes who have lived under their Mom and Dads wings since birth. Romney is not a sitting president as of yet. Obama is; and should conduct himself above such rhetorical gobbledegook..

Wish you hadn't responded by using "retarded" to describe that web site. Dysfunctional may have been a better choice. Some here on the forum may have a less fortunate child. I hate lumping those children in with a bunch of right wing nuts. Just sorry you used "retarded" to describe that web site insted of dysfunctional. Some here on the forum may have less than fortunate children and I really wouldn't like lumping them in with a bunch of nuts from either side.

No, but like those of us who pay taxes, they (business owners) do so as well. Yet, their taxes are not restricted to a single pay check; but taxes on construction, payrolls, transportation cost and equipment, heating and cooling and insurance for their workers. Should I go on?

The word infrastructure has been around as long as there have been animal and pony trails. I suppose the indians were first in this country to use infrastructure, making canoes for the rivers and foot trails for their horses and travois. Then white man come! Him bring toll roads, taxes, inns and beer joints. Yes, Obama may have been right, but the way he expressed it means that he definitly could use better speech writers.

So I reiterate: 1) Do you think that Obama was referring to infrastructure when he said "you didn't build that"? Yes or no first - then why. 2) Do you think that what we say Obama said - that owners of businesses did not build the infrastructure (roads and bridges) - is "bull squat"? Yes or no first - then why. 3) Do you think that what we say Obama's point was - that since business owners used infrastructure and did not get to where they are on their own, they should contribute back to society for their use of the infrastructure - is "bull squat"? Yes or no? 4) Do you think that Obama's point was what I just said we said it was? Yes or no first, then why. =Uncool-

Is this not total bias?

If I may ask: What does ("both sides" are not equally worthy of blame), meant to infer?

Tell me, why should I have to verify a statement voiced by our president that you and I both witnessed and heard. Because of the context of the first tape he got ripped. On the second he tries reexplaining himself by doing a little soft shoe shuffle using a different verbiage as an explination. But that video was the topic. As for your political freedom, that's something we all thankfully share. Vote your conscience and what you honestly feel is right. And yes, I do lean to the right at the prsent. But if Romney should win and screw things up as I believe this president has done, I will also know how to get off that horse too. My regards to your sons. Semper Fi!

Maybe after viewing, listening to and trying to understand the videos I posted, I should have said:In my opinion?