rigney

The first link provides some good Q & Ahttp://www.canwea.ca/wind-energy/myths_e.php The following 2 give you an idea how these turbines function.

Electricity is made by magnetic field interaction, which also produces heat. This, whether it's a motor or generator. Heat produced during the process of turning kinetic energy into electrical force is dissapated back into the atmosphere during and after the process. Check it out. I'm not knocking wind mills, it's just that you don't get something for nothing. i answered esbo in the same way.

Then you are not really looking.

I honestly wonder if the entire planet isn't issued a daily dose of subliminal thought control??? At least, weekly!

esbo, electricity is made by magnetic field interaction, which also produces heat. This, whether it's a motor or generator. Heat produced during the process of turning kinetic energy into electrical force is dissapated back into the atmosphere during and after the process. Check it out. I'm not knocking wind mills, it's just that you don't get something for nothing.

Perhaps in a hundred years or so we will have build our own Sahara? This is the wind tunnel of Texas. http://www.windpoweringamerica.gov/wind_resource_maps.asp?stateab=tx Here is another that may be of interest, if you read into it. http://www.wind-energy-the-facts.org/en/environment/chapter-2-environmental-impacts/onshore-impacts.html A 200' X 400' gymnasium has an ambient temperature of 33 F. You sit a small stove equipped with a BTU to overcome 33 F. in that enclosure and eventually the gym will get warmer. Even as a planet, we are locked in.

Doubtful at best. Seems everyone wants to get a free a bag of groceries off someone.

It's too deep for me, but you've evidently been doing your homework and some research. Just because I'm not a believer in UFOs and little green men, doesn't mean someone else can't believe it. Heck, I don't even believe "gravity" is a force.

rigney here dimreeper. Thanks, I had no idea Asimov was into such weird stuff. Holy Krap! Jostled through the prelim and realized just how much I didn't know, about what I didn't know.. Hopefully all of this stuff is, "Sci-Fi?

Believing as I do, your concept could be in accordance with my thoughts and right on the money. I swear! (pardon me); but there is so much shilly shallying in these forum posts that I can hardly keep up with them unless I read constantly. And then someone invariably beats hell out of me. Suppose we are those chosen "Bee Keepers" and don't know it? Drag this thing into deeper water so I might understand it better, or even worse; for that matter.

It's really a question of semantics whether atoms are building blocks or not. There are definitly smaller sub-particles that constitute "all matter", but without the right combination of how they form atoms, there would be no Periodic Table. And without that table it's likely nothing in the universe would exist as it does, especially us. Not being arbitrary, but I think this link is something to look at.

That's why I thought it belonged in Speculations, rather than Religion and Philosophy. And yes, we have come quite a way in a few short years. But yet, time and space are still speculative and argumentative. Especially, "Space"

I will definitly try to get it right.

I would have liked to see this in Speculations, but since it's here, I will try sanely to put my two cents in. The following is an excerpt from Kant. Being presumptive, I have stated many times that "time" itself is a man made commodity in understanding the flexible universe. Space, to me; (without conformation), is a physical entity (Continuum) which only has relevence because our universe exists. When we hear, see and read the things that are going on at CERN and Fermi-Labs today, one has to wonder about efforts to bring sciencec to a new understanding. Actually we assume time and space to be similiar due to our "not" understanding either, fully.

I love your use of the vernacular. Describing me as incredulous and uninformed is rather imaginative, but you left out a couple, pompus and egotistical. And as far as CERN, you can only wish.

I have absolute admiration for much of science, especially the medical field. Without it we would probably still be wearing garlic around our neck to ward off vampires. But some people have such a deep belief in all facets of science that they are fanatical about it almost like the Mullah is about his religion. And even if we do find this boson to be everything Dr. Higgs predicted, where do we go from there? What if the theory of strings is even proven to be true? What then? Do we simply believe that stepping through the looking glass into another dimension will be possible? Believe me, I'm not being critical, just curious and cautious. But my biggest fear is, can we save this planet from crackpots like the anthrax Mullah and other nuts? I really don't care much for the prospects of living forever myself, but I would like to think many more generations will be allowed to inhabit this planet long after we are dust.

In post #241, I inserted 3 links hoping someone would comment on them or why they were even there, but evidently no one saw anything to question. But to look at such a dichotomy without wondering about it, amazes me. Yes, we are discussing people who sit around waiting for the ressurection and consider them broken because of their belief. Then we also have a place like CERN where the LHC is supposed to open up a whole new world for us, we think?? Now that is an expensive belief. What if after those billions of dollars being spent on such a venture, it doesn't pay off? Will they just smile, nod and wink at each other like a Jimmy Baker or Jim Swaggart and move on to the next cash cow? I wonder at times if Science shouldn't also be seen as a religion? I can see that old Mullah with the anthrax gleam in his eye hopes that will soon happpen.

No! Don't run just yet Zap!!! If "anyone" can provide proof that either of these links are not viable, I will never look to heaven again; hoping there is a GOD. Each of us are very gullible in our beliefs, regardless of our dictates. The links below is a world of reality as it exists today. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/elegant-universe-einstein.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbBWju8HPG4&feature=email http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/dark-matter.html

To be perfectly honest, I received this from an acquaintance a few days ago and really didn't research it to any extent. And while I personally dislike our present form of government policies, disrespecting our president is not a given. After checking Snopes, I apologise to anyone whom I may have offended. I hope there is some way to delete this part of the post.

How can anyone in this day and age argue that they are absolutely sure of anything? No way! I constantly stay at odds with people on the forum who are head and shoulder above my shallow intellegence. Can I, or do I ever get a point across? It's doughtfully. But when questions such as Dark Matter, Dark Energy or Anti-Matter or even Gravity arise, I put my two bits in. Not that I don't believe science is the law of truth (Hopefully), it's only that we are only beginning to take baby steps of this path. String Theory itself is impossible for me to understand. But what If by chance we eventually find a GOD to blame for all of our inperfections and questions, what then? Just say to him, I'm sorry?

iNow tar, on 29 April 2012 - 07:23 AM, said: To consider people that believe in God broken, you would have to consider yourself fixed. iNow: This is not true. rigney: How can you possibly answer Tars question with such an empty assertion as: This is not true? Could you explain?

Tar, I grew up in a home where I can't remember ever hearing God mentioned; unless it was my Dad spitting out an oath from time to time. He, Dad was born in 1898 and Mom, 1900. They spatted on occassion, drank on weekend when Dad didn't have to work, but they stayed together for over 50 years until Mom passed away in 1974. Was it love? I can't say. But they always seemed to have an affectionate way toward each other. Neither had a formal education, but both were well grounded individuals. They did stress a few things though that I have tried to pass on to my own children. Be honest and supportive of your family and friends. And If you find a shoe box or purse full of money, make sure the "donor" gets their recepticle back; anon! Other than that, don't make an outright effort to lie, cheat, steal; or take wooden nickels from anyone.

Being ignorant in both science and religion makes me an easy target, since I can't take sides with either camp! But tell me in all honesty, is anybody going to beat you over the head because of your convictions, one way or another? Unless you wore glasses and they knew you could read, even in the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia back in the 70s, you didn't have to worry much unless you told someone. And I don't know if those people even had a religion. What is GOD? Who is GOD? How, as humans have we come to such a distraction as to have a continuous rhubarb among supposedly literate and higher ape species, regardless of how they believe? Damn!!

To assume an ideology that places you in the middle of an arguement is not the best place to be. I know this for a fact since i spend most of my time in that position. If you truely believe in a supreme GOD or any deity, don't be afraid to espouse such a belief. At times I wish to have found something other than my own unorthodox convictions to believe in. If God exists, so be it. Otherwise, lay me down gently so that I may spend an eternity thinking about it.

I was going to open a new post with the following transcript, but decided it best to go with other reasoning possibilities than my own. Whether or not we realize it, this is a very troubling time we live in. I'll make this short and submissive but please look at the message and draw your own conclusion. Scary and perhaps, Prophetic! In 1887, Alexander Tyler; a Scottish historian and professor at the University of Edinburgh had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: "A democracy is always temporary in nature and simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government, but will continue until voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for candidates promising the most benefits, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policies. This (which is) always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of world civilizations from the beginning of history has averaged roughly 200 years, give or take. During those times, nations have always progressed through the following sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to complacency; From complacency to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage." Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul , Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the last Presidential election: Number of States won by: Democrats: 19, Republicans: 29 Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000, Republicans: 2,427,000 Population of counties won by Democrats: 127 million, Republicans:143 million Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats, 13.2, Republicans, 2.1 Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, territory won by Republicans was mostly land owned by taxpaying citizens. Territory won by Democrats encompassed mostly citizens living in substandard housing, with inadequate income and receiving various forms of government welfare assistance. Olson believes the United States is somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy. If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to over twenty million illegal's and they are allowed to vote, we can say goodbye to the system of government as we know it, in less than five years. I'm not the writer although I understand his premisce as written. Is it something to be considered, or simply wait on the results?