rigney

Let me first say, what you may consider my nonsence, to me; can be life's blessings. #5. Not necessarily. If land based plants were the origin of life, perhaps photosynthesis would have beaten them by a whisker, but not much. If life began deep in an ocean? Probably later. In a mud puddle?, it's a toss up. #4, It's very likely these two different life forms mutated over many eons, because each is multicelluiar. #3, Tracking each group to its origin will likely produce a common ancestry linking the two. #2. None as I know of, other than Dolly the sheep, the Frankenstein monster and stem cell research. Well, maybe a couple others? But no, to my knowledge, RNA and DNA seem to have been used primarily for this research. #1. Since sugars and other basic building blocks have been found in meteorites, perhaps life came from outer space? But with Abiogenesis?, we do have a lot of good places and things to look for it at our disposal.

The statement was presented wrongly with my approach to it. And as you say, the ozone layer is a gas and a product of oxygen being reassembled by sunlight. Its density? Right now we are in a situation of losing helium at an extreme rate as it escapes into outer space because of industrial necessity and that the ozone layer isn't a glass bubble. From what I gather, the layer is created through a process of the sun reacting with oxygen. Can't go any farther that 'cause I haven't a clue. But we're extremely luckt to have it hovering above us.

I had previously went to google with the question: "How were primordial oceans formed"? I didn't come away still totally ignorant, but there was basically nothing I hadn't read about the processs somewhere before. And other than some dedicated folks making it a life career of running down a few of the facts to provide them as hard evidence, most is still hypothetical and conjectural. What I'm trying to say or ask is, when the earth finally attained its spherical shape, supposidly it was very hot. Apparently, all kinds of pyrotechnics continued to go off for years. Volcanoes, earhhquakes, technocic movement and whatever. Some later later, things began to cool down. My question is, with such intense heat from the sun, the earth still rather volitile and water rapidly evaporating as free Hydrogen and Oxygen, wouldn't they; along with other gases have continued to rise and escape into outer space to simply disappear, had not the ozone layer been formed sufficiently to contain them?

Got this from you: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=a-simpler-origin-for-life&offset=7 Couldn't get it to work. Probably my fault, so I went to Ringers posting. Ringers post Today, 01:12 PM, "Here you go. Here's another good link"

Yep!, thanks to you; I do! Just dialed up Skeptic and tried relating my inadequacy to him. You guys are so damn far above my head it pisses me off. I'd quit completely, but there is so much to learn. The topic?, wish I knew more about it. Got a million questions, but would settle out of court, if I had just one answer. Just be careful with using the word gaily. Some of us still think of it as fun between 'opposite" sexes.

I'm glad you didn't just shut me down. Ringer came up with the perfect reasoning for my ignorance. I'm too damn old to grasp so much in so little time. People who did the experiments with DNA and RNA development, I pretty much got that. But, here's a thing I got off Google today: Quote: Huge glaciers scraped out big holes where oceans formed. I know there are better answers than that, just don't know how to find them? My question was simply, how and why did ocean(s) form at all? I didn't even ask where the water came from?

Snobbery? Perhaps perverse, but not inverted. And the ignorance thing?, you're absolutely right. It's because of that fact alone I come to this speculations section of the forum. And it is Speculations, right? I do inquire a lot, simply because, as you so graciously informed me, most of my answers are questionable right down to being inane. But I don't think it was necessary for you to read the riot act to me over it. This is Moons post and if he thinks I'm getting in the way?, well that's Moons business. Now, can we get back to Abiogenesis? I'd really like to get away from the incident if we can. but I do have a question on the ozone layer that I'd like to get your opinion on. I looked all over Google trying to find something less than vague, but come up empty. And that is, even after the earth cooled to something less than a melting pot, how would oceans have formed before evaporation had created the ozone layer to contain an atmosphere? If there was a lot of liquid at that time, wouldn't it likely to have been boiling? Or did evaporation have anything to do with the ozone layer at all? As Ophiolite says, everything I have are questions; but only questions, because I don't have answers. Some of you guys do and I would appreciate your thought on this. Moon gave me his opinion below, but I'm still cofused? Moontanman Posted Yesterday, 04:45 PM The modern ozone layer as we know it is thought to have come from oxygen generated by cyanobacteria. Some photosynthetic bacteria do not release oxygen and they are thought to predate the ones that do. I personally think that some was probably generated by disassociation of water by UV light in the upper atmosphere. So how does this apply to the earth having oceans?

I can't honestly say he made a finite prediction of any kind. I just thought it was a good lecture and at the very end in explainng how our galaxy will appear after expansion has moved everything out of sight; made a lot of sense to me. As far as the complexity of God compared to an atom? I don't even know if was stated. Had it of been, I still wouldn't have known how to relate it.

Look Opie! I don't believe Mr. Skeptic needs your shoulder or sympathy. And using ignorance to make a point?, don't let it drag you down. My remark had nothing to do with you, and however crude, was actually meant as a compliment to Skeptics. So, get the skid marks out of your knickers and back to abiogenesis? If it matters, I would like to apologize for what Opie thought was my slanderious attack on you, even though it was not intended as such. Some of us are just less diplomatic than others when making compliments. The subject is fascinating, and your expertise in the field is not something to be taken lightly, especially by me. compliments.

Ok! beat me over the head with it, but could it be five forty five, plus or minus a tick???

Now, don't get me into an ass kicking contest where I don't stand a chance. I was merely making an assumption as to what I thoght happened, not what actually did happen? If you want to go beyond simplicity, get a better audience!. Told you, my intellect wouldn't fill a thimble, but like everone, I do have thoughts???

Naa!. "Holy cow poop"!!. Well, That's probably the tenth time today I've used that vernacular expression out of context. No, what I'm saying is, this guy was right on the money. You don't have to believe a damn word he says, other than the simplicity of its meaning. If you are so untrusting that you can't go there, eat spinach and learn to dig a ditch.

I don't believe the dude implied God at all, it's just what your intrepurtation of massive, complicated or plausible happens to be? Unless you are one of those over achievers who range beyond knowledge, perhaps you should have watched the entire program?

Quote: by rigney.. That's a minz a minz. Knickers, shorts, pantie, who gives a shit? But where do you think the ozone layer came from? And heck!, I wasn't meaning to obtrude, but merely to state what I thought were fallacies in your observation? Notice that I said possible, not probable? Many people smarter than I have worked for years assessing what the ozone layer is all about. What it means, does, and what its role is in our survival. I'm only a gambler to say this, but without the ozone, we and our planet are dead. Now give me a break and quit beating me around the head and ears, and I'll give you my reasoning for the earth to water ratio.

Quote: by rigney.. That's a minz a minz. But where do you think the ozone layer came from?

I really didn't mean to pose my thoughts so much as a question, but more of less a hypothesis. Ahem!! Imagine me using such a word? This thing about our moon, it's gone through the ringer so many times I wonder why it's even still up there, so; I'll leave it as such. The whys, whens and hows it got to be, are just as arcane today as when the question was first broached. Tectonics on the other hand have probably been happening since the earth was little more than a compacted pile of debris and gases. And that, whether there was water at the time, or not. Somehow we were lucky enough to hit a happy medium where there was some land and a lot of water. Personally, I just don't feel the ozone layer has been given enough credit as to somehow balancing this water to ground ratio? That is, until just here recently. You could be absolutely right in your arguement that life began in a peat bog, mud flat, or some ocean depth. I just like the simplicity of photosynthesis better. Hey!, sue me.

I watched the entire hour and found it simply fool proof. Believe what you want, but this guy has it together.

My assumption may be off the wall, but is it possible that until the ozone layer was at least partially completed, there was no land water to speak of anywhere on earth? Evaporation of steam from the interior of this planet was the process by which that layer of our atmosphere was created, thereby reducing UV rays down to a managable condition where life might get a foot hold. It may have taken a couple billion years to get the job done, I have no idea? But afterwards, the build up of water over the entire earth was likely to have been pure H2O, and took many years before streams, rivers and especially ocean(s), started forming? I can't find it conceivable that oceans just magically appeared and somehow that was where life got its start. That isn't being factious, but trying to add the building blocks in my mind as I see them. As I said earlier, there may have been several attempts for life before that first real toe hold happened, but the conditions had to be absolutely perfect, whether on land or in the water?

You are absolutely right. As Larry the Cable guy says: "GET 'ER DONE"!

Most of you guys are far out of my league. It's just that somehow I think photosynthesis had everything to do with how life began here on earth. Critters on the ocean floor don't seem to need it, but I believe that was a part of their evolution. The abiotic theory come as close as I can imagine to answering this riddle. But as I was explaining my thoughts to Moon, I don't believe the beginning of life was a hit or miss thing, but a consortium of situations coming together at the right time and place. There may have been numerous other times that life forms tried making it here, millennia, or perhaps even billions of years before it finally got a toe hold. I think the post holds a lot of promise for those developing new theory. And since you are one of the well versed people in these fields, "keep me out of you sights, if you can". If not, use a bb gun. I'm curious, not dangerous.

I Know that wasn't exactly what you were looking for or wanted to hear. And I really dont know one of those critters from another. To me the key is, when a way is found to create the process of phothsynthesis as the bioinductance of crystals and chemicals, it could well be the answer as to how life got its start. Got this off Google and thought it strange that sunlight is the only way to create natural sugars and that, only through the process of phothsynthesis. Yet, all living things somehow depend on these sugars in on form or another. While it's not a natural crystal found in the earth, sugar is processed into the crystal form we use daily. ’Sugar’ or sucrose, is a carbohydrate found naturally in fruits and vegetables and produced through a process whereby sunlight is magically changed into another energy, sugar. Sucrose in nature is most abundant in sugar cane and sugar beets. While the term ‘sugar’ refers to sucrose, the term ‘sugars’ is descriptive of sucrose, as well as other sugars such as glucose, fructose and lactose. All plants use photosynthesis as the process by which sunlight is turned into vital energy. Sucrose and other types of sugars all become glucose, which is the body’s preferred fuel. And all sugars are sweet. Why? Ever heard of Bioinductance? The nonlinear neuroelectrothermodynamics of a cell? Nonlinear Cell Neuroelectrothermodynamics is the neurofrequency Model of a Rational Mind. Epiphysis Microcrystals as Current Sources. Tends to make me wonder where the hell I'm at in this process?

I suppose being a red neck Hill Billy has its advantages. I'll be seventy eight years young in December, made a descent living for better than sixty of those, and honestly; never had a job I didn't like. Some perhaps better than otheres, but none that I couldn't abide. Raised seven children. (well mostly the wife did). Camped, fished, hunted, boated and done just about everything we wanted to do. Enjoy? Heck!, I've never had time enough to sit around thinking about being sad. You may even be right with your philosophy. Me,? I just want to hang around and hit some good, clean five and seven irons over the next few years. My putting stinks.

OK!, I'm at your disposal; but why does my statement account for me being irresponsibile? Please, don't start a soft shoe shuffle on me like ydoaPs tries.

Hells Fire man! I'm not arguing the semantics of how life hapened or why? But adding such a comment only meant that I'm not smart enough to deliberate the issue as to what your research has found. I'm only trying to point out that I differ with your thoughts on the origin of life. Can I make it any simpler than that?