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I'm not about to bring a slingshot to a gunfight Lad. Your stance tells me that you want to be cock of the walk and that's fine with me. But what you fail to understand is that perhaps many of us are not nearly as smart as you and perhaps no where near having the capacity of your intellect. I honestly believe a few folks on the forum would like to respond to some of these religious posts but are intimidated by the sheer venom of your words. "Moving on the God Debates". Wow! You must really feel good about your prowess? Hitlers boys took that same attitude back in the thirties and forties. PS. If the list of deities was meant for someones edification, you missed the point completely.

I saw you having a bit of fun, and thought I'd do a little jabbing myself. An intelligent and astute scientist doesn't take anything as baseless. Each time someone thinks they have all of the answers, something comes up to change the game plan. I hope you go on to accomplish your wildest aspirations and perhaps the guys at Cern may need you before they finally get it all sorted out. But seriously, why is this religious thing on the forum at all, if it is so inconsequential?

This thing is older than both of us put together, but it's fun. Let it a run for a day or two, if no one gets it, I'll give it up.

I appreciate both your inputs since I was more curious than concerned. The lab tech gal had this stuff in a syringe, pushed it in my arm; gave me a few minutes to think it over and directed me to take a half hour, go to Micky Ds, have a hamburger and a coffee. My only question now is: how do they make that liquid in the syringe radioactive?

Had a nuclear stress test done Monday. Never had one before and was a bit leary. Always running on that crazy treadmill. Got some bum knees now and they retired me from the mill. Anyway, I was injected with a radio isotope. Something called, Tc99m Sestamlib. The lady tech called it Technisium, or something like that. Asked her how long I was going to be radioactive and she told me about six hours. I got to looking at a tag she said I should carry with me for the next week. Shit, I'm in bed that night looking to see if I was glowing in the dark. No! I didn't glow, but I was uncomfortable, feeling like a damn cyborg or something. Went on the internet trying get some info on the half-life of the stuff and how it was irradiated. Nothing! If it isn't top secret, anyone out there having a clue, I would be interested? They did tell me it was gamma radiation.

What's black on the outside, red on the in, just lift up a leg and poke it in???

Right, wrong or indifferent, a smart man never burns a bridge that might be his only path of escape. As an agnostic, I can't grasp the facts well enough to make a finite decision. I wish, with what little intellect I possess, such a decision might never become relevant. So, at the moment, I ain't about to give up any options.

Good gosh guy, never thought you would find it so profound. Burn your bra, your draft card and even your boyfriend's pictures; but not your "DAWKINS". Gee Whiz, I'm sorry!

Moonman, where do "we" find balance on this scale? Touche!

I'm probably one of the most devout agnostics you'll ever run across. But even I wonder at times, did I stump my toe? Do I honestly understand what's going on around us? Am I really so smart as not to acknowledge there may be a GOD? Take a look at this short video and ask yourself, is evolution all that there is? http://www.tangle.com/view_video.php?viewkey=bb31a5d87b3b44397869&sp=1

To conjecture just for the sake of conjecture, is to be stupid, not ignorant. But it's very unlikely that an innocent, or even a naieve person would confess to a crime they did not commit, no matter the interrogation, unless in a dungeon or on a wrack. To go even farther, you would have to assume that a prosecutor would be a cold hearted basta-d, in trying to convict an innocent person? "Of Mice and Men" comes readily to mind. We need to get away from the frivolity of what we consider litigation, and proceed with justice.

Couldn't agree with you more. We implement new laws almost daily into our legal system, supposidly to make our juducial more proficient and stronger. It just doesn't seem to work that way. Laws applying to citizenry though, unlike those controlling our government have become more astringent, while those purporting to protect us from tyranny have all but vanished. You want to do meth, toke a joint, snort coke or shoot up on H? That should be your own damn business, unless you hurt someone in the process, as if you were drunk or nuts.? And that, especially if you harm a kid. Then it should be your ass. Otherwise, don't bother me with trivial pursuit! I'm too busy trying to keep the government out of my pocket as it is. Anyone with a solution? Oh yes!, and the worlds oldest profession? Leave it the hell alone!

The Miranda Rights law has made sure the "POOR BABY SYNDROME" stays intact. It's far to lucrative in our society to make it much easier convicting a pedestrian of jaywalking or spitting on the sidewalk than convicting a psychopath for murder, and I suppose that is the way it should be. But we have too many criminals walking the street today as free men because some slick attorney with no moral compass of their own, has turned our justice system on its ear. Yes, on rare occasions an innocent person has been convicted of crimes that in a few instances has even led to their being put to death. But it's the ten thousand to one bad guys who don't get convicted that bothers me!! Miranda Rights were perhaps meant as a check of doing injustice to innocent people, but has evolved into a joke.

C'mon! Don't tell me that you've forgotton the "original" reasons for that Boston thing? Maybe no war paint, buckskins or feathers this time, but the reasons are still the same. Taxation without representation. Mediocrity, Is that what this country is eventually hoping to find?

DjBruce says: In my opinion to think that our problems are any worse than those before us shows either a lack of historical perspective or a major feeling of self-pity. Your opinion is just like mine or anyone else Dj, only a single opinion. Fortunately, I have a rather long history that I sometimes would like to cloud over a bit so that my opinion didn't seem so decisive as to get me in trouble. Someone once made a statement to the effect that; "If we fail to understand and correct our mistakes of the past, we are doomed to repeat them". Now don't quote me on that, it isn't verbatim. I look back through our history and see few things that didn't turn out for the better after some sort of a struggle or another. Back grounds and ideas of politicians should always be changing in some respect. Like water that does not run freely, Government also tends to stagnate. It isn't whether democrats, republicans or some othe party is in control, it's what they do with the control. This new administration has mave made some dramatic changes that I'm not exactly keen on. Are they good or bad? I don't know and we can only wait to find out. Self-pity and historical perspective? If you are literate, can read and haven't a descent perspective on our history, then I do pity you. Self-pity in any form, sucks.

Probably what I should have said was: European "Immigrants" have undoubtedly been in this country since Jamestown was first settled in 1607, or there abouts. I emphasized immigrants only to mean that these people came here with the express intent of creating permanancy. I suppose you might go so far as to even call them illegals? Since I didn't want to go into the semantics of who shot John, as far as discovery, I shied away from trying to state facts which are fuzzy at best. The Golden Goose thing should have proably been referred to as "cornucopia". Rip a gooses ass out and he's dead. We've been ripping this country apart now a little over four hundred and are perhaps on the verge of getting the Job done. And Now? He ain't bad, just young, bright and ornery. thanks 33. Just a metaphor Now.You Skeptic and I all know it. And not being too well instructed in your vernacular, I just keep mine under my pillow.

Nothing conjectural. It's Just that as Americans we've been here even longer. I don't think we even considered ourselves as Americans at the time?

Sorry about that. Guess I should have said, better than four hundred years. But then, who's counting?

You're probably right. Thanks

Would like to make this possibly last post to this topic. Bear with it if you will. Nothing earth shaking, just some cold, hard facts concerning my life, and how and why I was born with a silver plated spoon in my mouth. My Mom demanded that I have the spoon. Just a short synopsis of my life growing up dirt poor and proud. My Dad made 2 bucks a day for ten or twelve hours of ass breaking work, loading coal in a mine back in the early thirties. My Gandpa, the same. Me, I never stepped inside one. My Dad and Grandpa were both union men. United Mine Workers of America. Both served as President of their local unions. Until I went into the Army in 1953, I thought there were only two kinds of people in this world, those who wore the "Riding Breeches" and black, shiny leather boots, or those wearing coal dirt covered overalls, hard hats and filthy faces. All of this I later found out, was Bull Shit. We, as a nation of individuals make our own heat. I don't blame any president from Washington down through Obama for our problems. But I do blame the as- holes we elect to other government positions that stir the shi- making solutions impossible for the presidents. To wit, Our Congress and Senate. These conniving bast--ds to a (man)? I use the term loosy in comdemnation, not in admiration; of both right and left. Look at what these individuals make in pay and insurances, "not earn"; in comparison to you, me or any one else. Lucrative? Bet you as-. Are any of them, left, right, black, white, or other race more intelligent than you? Hell no! Smarter? Hell yes. They have us on the hook and they know it. People like Washington, Adams, Hamilton and Jefferson must be flipping in their graves to imagine what our government has become. How do we retrieve and return integrity to our system of government? Term Limits. Let some new thinkers get into the mix. They can't screw things up any worse than they have become over the past sixty years. Again gentlemen, Term limits. Had an acquaintence who told me in confidence, "If I can make it to the Ohio Senate, I can retire, if not from that, something even better. Well, the poor bastard didn't make it. He's a clerk at Sears with a Masters. Just remember, there has never been a bill passed that one or more of these greasy fingered sons a bit---s haven't manipulated putting their hands in your and my pockets to pay for it. Term limits gentlemen, must be mandated. That is probably our only salvation if it can be made to happen. Few of these political mavens go into government without $ signs and lifelong security in mind and their eyes. Very few of them want to go back to working at any kind of a job. Pray that you had their lifelong retirement and insurance plans. And the handouts and bailouts? They should have never happened in the first place. Shut them down. Better they fall than destroy a nation with their greed and stupidity. As I said, I'm more of a middle of the roader since I've worked my entire life trying to maintain my own esteem and that of my wife and family. I lean neither right nor left since I don't believe in Socialism, Oligarchy or a Welfare state. Take your pick, they all suck. But it is all of our faults. The trickle down thing? If there is no industry, or enterprising from the "Haves", in this country, then there is no trickle down, only stagnation for the rest of us. If government breaks these "haves" with excess taxes, then you and I had better have some damn good friends in Sherwood Forest. I find life fulfilling, not from any wealth, which I have never amassed, but the fact I've spent the better part of my life working with no regrets. I'm honest and have never conned a single person out of anything. We are on the verge of killing this golden goose that has sustained us for three hundred years plus. Let's not let it happen. It's time we started controlling our government, not our president. He is but a single person. Thanks

I hate to plead ignorance, but it's a fact. If you, or some one reading this can help, I'd appreciate it. Like I say, they are only pictures, but just too good to hoard.

Now, since these legal matters have been ironed out; can anyone tell me how to post some beautiful pictures of our galaxy that my son sent to me? They are not http, so I dont know how to display them, even if it's legal. Can someone help? I promise, no junk.

Glad you didn't beat me up too bad about my post offering. Hells fire! President Obama is just a single person. A man, no more, no less than Washington, Lincoln or any of the others presidents. Did I vote for him? No! That's what secret ballot boxes are all about. They elected him, not me. Our problem is in electing people to the Senate and Congress who lead these Presidents astray, and by the nose. Right now Obama is probably as twitchy as a whore in church wondering who's trying to cut his proverbial throat or screw him.

On occasion one of my sons sends me fantastic pictures of the universe. Recently he sent a "show and tell" about our own galaxy done by the Hubble telescope. Since they were done perhaps a year or two ago, many of you may have seen them. But if there's a chance some of you haven't, I'd like to post them, if possible. Since they are not http, I don't know how to do it. Is it allowed? And if so, would you give me a hand? Thanks

Birther???? Guess I'll have to catch up on some politics before I put my feet in the fire again. Took several minutes to realize there is no such word as birther. Or at least there wasn't four years ago when I bought an: American Heritage College Dictionary. I didn't read the bill, just the paraphrasing on Google. Well, Flas. Rep. Posey sure opened a can of worms. I had heard the complaints, wondered about them and still don't know? I know it was just a joke John Boy, but even with the lol, a very serious one. Have an acquaintence who ran tour trips to Germany for Lufthanza, some twenty or so years ago. The plane was in taxi mode ready to depart Cleveland Hopkins for Frankfurt. A couple of good old boys with too much sauce already under their belts, decided to have a little fun. A couple of seats apart, one yells at the other, "HI JACK". His buddy yells back, "HI JACK". After a couple exchanges, one of the stewardesses tells the Captain who taxis the plane to a far end of the runway, the two idiots are taken off in cuffs. After about an hour, the plane is finally allowed to leaves, while the two jackasses were explaining their actions to a judge. I don't know if they ever got their money back? Joe Holtzer, the tour guide; wasn't a happy camper either. Even I realize this thing has run into total redundancy. But perhaps ten or maybe twelve years ago, I misplaced or lost my drivers licences. After looking several days and not finding them, I decided I'd best get a duplicate. Called the DMV and asked what I should bring to substantiate gettin a new one. Was instructed to bring my birth certificate, SS#, a couple pieces of mail and/or bills would do. I'm seventy eight years old and still have my original birth regisrtration, pieced together with scotch tape. Put everything on the counter and after some discussion between a couple clerks, was told my original birth registration certificate, dated December 11, 1932 woud not suffice. I had to have an original birth certificate. Guess what? I called birth registration in Charleston, W.V., explained the situation, gave them my SS#, my mother and fathers names, when and where I was born, my credit card# for $20.00 dollars and 5 days later I had a brand new original birth certificate. Next day, I had a brand new drivers licenses. Moder science is truely amazing. And there's no charge for that little nugget of wisdom either. Simply put, dont lose your drivers licensces without having a birth certificate to back up you claim to get a new one.