Norman Albers

For further thrills let's wiki on 'transactional interpretation'. I do see that the receiver has been sitting there broadcasting its nature, as well as the emitter has done its thing. "It's nature" is the literal vibration in which are implied possibilities.

I read that article and it is beautiful. Thank you, Farsight. In 1969-70 I'd bicycle the half-mile down to the Institute to play a little Mozart on a poorly kept little grand piano. They all donned robes to eat lunch together. One reaction I might offer to the questions of "time", is that the freedom that exists in slicing the "spacetime cake" from different frames of reference should not automatically extend to processes in time. Indeed gen. relativity is couched in the language of differential intervals, fundamentally. A process compared by observers at two points in a gravitational potential will have their time intervals related by the ratio of the metric terms at the sites. The fun starts when you see the loopy (ha ha) solutions possible and realize you have no physics but an excess of possible mathematics! Thus I look for vacuum physics to decide. I said to Puthoff I think the idea of proper time has been shockingly abused. In Kip Thorne's lovely book on Black Holes, we are falling through the event horizon in proper time, just fine if it's larger with small tides. I said now wait just an eternity here. This does not happen in finite time on our clocks. I challenged Xerxes on another forum, saying it is one thing to describe a possible future but quite another to say which ones get to happen! To my surprise, Puthoff simply agrees! Simple, really, he said!!! In his Dark Gray Holes there is no outer horizon, but there is infinite time dilation as you approach the singular center. Either his model pertains and the matter field collapses in a 3_D fashion, or my Schwarzschild elaboration pertains by virtue of the nature of dimensional collapse of the quark field, I guess. Time is change, oscillation. What if it is disallowed partly? What does it mean if the sign is negative??? Thinking to the OP, Klaynos has given me food for thought. Chew slowly.

Good discussion. Several of our French friends weighed in on small autos, urban style and efficiency, back a few months. Science News just featured sprawl and the choices in urban/suburban design that Europeans have already faced for quite some time. Witness the term "crisis of the commons". Good one. Last year I read a study of streams in Greece and the uncovering of history from millenia back of folks enjoying life near mountain streams, cutting all the trees, etc., and getting wiped out. Experience, indeed. In the next county up from me, four people were killed in a landslide below a clearcut mountainside back in the 90's, and it did help wake up the need for stewardship. I live against "harvestable" timberlands and happily am part of a strong neighborhood organization with money and legal power to kick butt on the BLM.

In Grants Pass are many older houses with poor insulation and single pane windows. Disappointingly none of the owners I've ever spoken to thought it was economic and thus made sense to invest two or three thousand dollars in such improvements that would cut heating bills maybe 20%. It is nice to see some of the rundown places being completely brought back to code. There should be incentives and choices to do such intelligent things, and creating multi-unit housing in town, in reasonable growth, not just cutting up more hillside real estate.

Thanks, mate, I was feeling clueless there. Are you saying things stay sufficiently hot that there is only a plasma dance? Everything is dissociated above maybe 20ev average energy, which corresponds to two hundred thousand degrees....TIME PASSES....I had to look up the difference between red giant and white dwarf stars. Our sun will run out of hydrogen and turn into a red giant for a spell, fusing helium. The white dwarf stage is described as carbon and oxygen not hot enough to fuse further. Thus the mass will eventually cool. We are, however, in a condensed matter state by gravitational smushing to the point of electron degeneracy. No chemistry here. Tip 'o the hat to Swansont.

I too am a liberal in some things but conservative in others but don't ask and don't tell in still others. Once a conservative country man tried to pin me down with just that question, are you a liberal or a conservative. I danced all around him, insisting that the wise man defines every issue for himself. On land and the Everglades, I read last year of some reversal and restoring of swamps somewhere there. This may have involved an agreement with agriculture. When speaking of population I coined the word megabutts, of which the US now has what, 250?

No, the hydrogen will be used up, but I guess it could be quite a candle???

Jacquesl, you are confused about the different regimes of energy. The "nuclear center" of the periodic table is iron. Lighter nuclei, certainly hydrogen, can be fused, or brought together with sufficient energy to overcome the Coulomb repulsion, and the process liberates energy. When the sun uses up most of its hydrogen, it will change, and further fusions up through carbon will take place, until iron forms. Then there is not further net energy available. On the other end, fission is the splitting of nuclei larger than iron, and see where uranium lies in the periodic table. So one can talk of nuclear fission, or fusion. Separately, one can talk of chemical-level energy based on hydrogen, say if we had massive photovoltaic plants to do the hydrolysis and could run our autos, or home fuel cells. Only in fusion do we need the heavy isotopes. <<I see below that Swansont caught and cleaned up my statement.>>

This is a nice term. If we can "grow" without taking more and more of the planet's resources and landspace, this is a decent philosophy. If not, may we live long and die out. Good discussion from Sisyphus.

The piano frame sets the lengths. I am not convinced that such exists in the vacuum itself. Massive Higgs, massive cast plate, whatever. I am looking at Planck's constant as the necessary proportionality between energy and frequency of bound states. The Ouroboros forms hoops of only certain sizes determined by a few constants and geometric facts. I shall leave tinkering to those wondering how cosmologic space could deviate from flatness by just a little bit. I think it was Martin and Severian who held good discussion on this last year. . . . .Triangles are certainly a good starting place, as they are the minimum form of a loop, and the logic of three elements is already ensconced in quarks and hadrons. Given time I do intend to develope <m=3> as I have the electron. Given a linear sum of <m=0>, <m=1>, and <m=3> you can see a three-lobed structure where two are the same.

Gcol, I'm glad you caught that, as I just floated it as a concept. It is a concept already used: Higgs fields giving the response of mass is perhaps one such, but certainly the whole question of the vacuum pertains. I see electrons as stable (vortex) states of the vacuum fields, which directly we do not sense, as a fish limited to water may not understand any other world environment. It could be useful idea that the harmonic stucture is created by the string cut and strung, but the string is the underlying excitation which is manifested in the soundboard moving a large amount of air. This is then the sonic reality we experience. Only the tuner/builder understands all the effort that went into deciding string gauge, length, and tension, and in tuning actually retensions the string. . . . . . Martin, Fredrik, I am impressed with the boldness and depth of thinking in this discussion.

One of us should look up how we gather the heavier atoms in water. Would a centrifuge do it?

Yah, pyrofusion gets a "few" nuclei accelerated. Those numbers leave us eleven magnitudes shy of heating a cup of coffee, though we can count on three magnitudes' of improvement. I worked toward controlled fusion in my master's degree so I am rooting for it, and people do mess around with cold fusion. The joke goes that fusion is the energy source of the future and always will be. An interesting comparison would be between pyrofusion and plasma "tabletop" accelerators.

Thank you Sysiphus, that's about my line of thought. Sorry if I complicated things, but there are these relevant lines of thought like about immigration. My main thrust is that more is not better. In Europe is there any land left to build new houses? Here there is depending on your choice of land management and we hotly discuss this in Southern Oregon. Some people find happiness in building new subdivisions, and Grants Pass has seen such a wave of building. Most of this is at least contained in the urban boundaries, but if we had no control some would trash rural land. Economic growth is such a mantra in the news, like we're only supposed to be happy if it's all growing larger and larger. I don't buy this and see the need for a new paradigm. Remember some Americans are still letting go of the myth of the open frontier. There is no where to hide to garbage or pollution. We get China's mercury in our streams for God's sake, and we won't even talk about the radioactive river in western USSR. What does it mean to have a growing economy?

Now is our chance to choose our cellular automaton model.

This is an interesting statement, as I am in a realm of seeing nothing but electron clouds. Are you saying that "ionic bonding" is supposedly a more cut-and-separated attractive affair? Electrons are like points when you poke at them like that, and they are wave distributions given the chance. Photons might seem somewhat like points when you absorb them and are wave distributions depending on how you interact with them.

I appreciate the helpful hints. I should keep a non-tippable water glass near the bed at night. I have this unstoppable reaction as I roll over in bed and I wondered where the hell I could ever talk about this sort of thing. It is very clear and like a mercury switch which makes contact as the bulb tips past level. I can roll arbitrarily slowly to full supine (on my back) and as soon as I am level my whole back arches and my legs start to stiffen. If I don't resist this in the legs, consciously, they'd cramp, and sometimes do. I eat fresh foods and whole grains but don't add much salt, so thanks for the discussion. It is an amazing autonomic reaction in that I cannot stop it, even at a very small epsilon velocity of roll! I work in the piano shop quite physically, and "take a break", sometimes not well arranged, by working outside on rural property. It is close to a yawning feeling, but of the back nerve system.

I do not need to grow much larger. I seek to grow in quality by continually cutting energy needs and being smarter. It is not an acceptable mindset to measure our success by how much larger our own society gets. Europe is so much smaller than the US, you people must have a different, more mature perspective on this. What are appropriate economic measures of happiness? They must be completely sustainable. I think in terms of zero population growth as well as zero-point fields. What then is appropriate growth?

As a sophomore I had the opportunity to be a research assistant on a NASA contract with a cool prof., who taught me what I needed to know about numerical analysis and fourth-order Runge-Kutta integrations. Our task then, in about 1968, was to optimize the trajectory from "here to a far planet", given a low-thrust (ion-type that we now have) propulsion. The endpoint issues of earth escape and, say, orbit insertion at Jupiter, were separate from the larger scale issue of being in one orbit around the sun, and then getting yourself to a farther one. This is treated entirely as a heliocentric problem because you are quickly away from Earth's field, compared with that of the sun. One constructed a state vector of six components, position and velocity, and marched this along. Amazingly, you can construct a Hamiltonian scalar function which starts positive, then dips negative, then comes back positive. The negative regime is when you turn the engine off and drift, for the optimal solution. This was variational analysis. (Thanks YT, I want to look up the variational or minimization math again to see why that works. Seems magic.)

I guess YT is correct. Looking up masses of Earth and Jupiter, and using your ratio of 11.2, I calculate a weight ratio of about 3.5. Not a good place for a green cheese picnic.

Gravitational field strength depends on your radius from the center of a spherical mass, and also on the total mass inside of your radius. Look up the equation.

Quantum theory produces the awareness of the vacuum as a non-zero ground state. Herein lie many questions and possibilities for theoretic progress. 'Taint just nothin'. I have been developing inhomogenous electrodynamics by assuming this to be the case.

Certainly as of the late 1990's I read several of Europe's populations shrinking, at least potentially, with a birth rate plummeting quite below two+. I can see temporary economic problems when there are not many young workers to support the relatively large aging group. Beyond this, I am concerned about the economic mania, in general, for GROWTH. This seems to be the measure of progress in the United States, and seems ignorant to me. There is related discussion over the need for low-rung labor; neither the US nor Europe has dealt well with this. We need a more sane ideology to move into a livable future on this planet.

I told my friend Wendell Wilson to practice the electron zitterbewegung in front of the mirror, by jostling back and forth and sort of popping up here and there, and to be prepared when his wife calls the whitecoats.

I am writing a swing jazz song, "Between Here and the Moon", where "my love" and I go build our cocoon, presumably at the Lagrangian point, between here and the moon. Lyrics inspired by Wendell Wilson. I have a decent bridge, but welcome help trying to rhyme Lagrangian(???): "We'll head to the moon in summer, and chill out in the shade. Then back for Southern winters; then we'll have it made. We'll take along some tanks of air, so we have some to breath. Coming back, we'll take a pack, of some of that green cheese!"