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I wonder what the cause of the huge difference between Male and Female mortality in certain places.. like, look at China.. there seems to be EXTREMELY high mortality rate for Males, and quite low mortality rate for Females.. And eastern Africa seems to have the exact opposite effect... more females than males mortality.. Intriguing..

You will *have* to be more specific.. what subject is it for? most resources for *what*? Computers? Science? Opinions? Ergh.. the answer can be "the internet" or more accurate like "google" or "JStor" or.. well anything. I can give you my *opinion* for the answers (for number 2, for instance, I'd say definitely NOT seeing the number of pseudoscience followers) but that would be my own Point of View, not necessarily what your professor is looking for... You need to specify what it is you're looking for, not just write the list of questions.. those are very vague. ~moo

I'm not sure exactly what youre professor means, but here is a very good article about the radius of the moon: http://physics.lakeheadu.ca/courses/Astro/2330/Props/Radi.htm Also, there are these articles (most of them refer to 'ancient' methods, though.. so I am not sure.. look and see if they're helpful): http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEmono/reference/radius.html http://www.noao.edu/education/astro/chile/archives/activities/lunar-distance-activity.pdf http://www.astro.washington.edu/labs/eratosthenes/rung2.html Hope that helped, ~moo

Truth is too subjective to define, I think. My truth is different than yours; I would like to say that this is only true for feelings or opinions, but people tend to strongly believe in ignorant 'truths' that aren't truths at all (pseudoscience, for instance) I think it's also important to remember that Politics, for example, is not QUITE lying, but it's sometimes avoiding truth - and if used wisely, it can prevent misunderstandings and conflict. Other than the human tendency to lie, there's a human tendency to be defensive.. sometimes being "political" and either 'not telling' the full truth or 'beautifying' the truth is needed, specifically when your partner in a debate is on the defensive mode. In short, I think it would be terrible if everyone always told the truth. There's a reason why we sometimes lie, and though lying shouldn't be a way of life, it isn't such a bad thing, at times, if used correctly (and fairly, I guess). Anyways that's my two cents (and some) ~moo

I am not sure we're going to *be around* (humans) when that happens.. before the actual "heat death", the universe is probably going to seriously not support any humanoid life. Anywhere. Long before the 'death', actually, considering the fact these processes take billions of years. ~moo

Ah, gotcha. Not sure where to check that, but I'll try.

No no.. not a charlatan.. a person knowing NOTHING of contemporary science, who ignores evidence on purpose, and preaches against the evidence while calling the entire scientific community idiots. Oh wait.. so maybe he is a Charlatan. Wonderful, I would love to have resources for this, to see what it was that caused people to doubt the theories we have not only about geology but also planatary science. But that makes no difference at all to the treatment of this specific guy. Everything we know about geology today doesn't even *suggest* an expansion, and beyond that, everything we know about *PLANETS* today makes planatary expansion (after they are *solid*) ridiculous. Further, I must point something out to you: The fact that *in the past* a certain theory was accepted does not make it not false today. And the fact that certain theory was accepted in the past does not make it not utterly ridiculous in the light of current FACTS. The entire scientific community used to think the sun and outer planets are revolving around earth. They developed intricate and sophisticated models to explain that movement. And yet, if anyone claims *today* that the sun revolves around the earth he will be treated as an utter ignorant. And even FURTHERMORE than that, This guy doesn't only 'suggest' his theory, he does it by blatantly accusing the scientific community of a paranoid delusional conspiracy; all the while he is ignoring facts and mocking science. Yah, we're mocking this, of course we are, it's not a valid theory, and even worse, it's a POOR presentation of one. See, that's the point. If someone would come onto this forum (and it has happened) and suggested a theory of expanding earth - but he would do it by substantiating, by giving explanation of why current science is wrong, and will *not* resort to mockery of science, I can tell you abotu *myself* that I would read his words and answer his claims honestly and respectfully. I don't have respect to this guy's theory because he doesn't have respect for himself; claiming conspiracy and playing on people's ignorance while announcing he is spreading the news of the scientific conspiracy theory - and calling scientists blind fools (you should watch his other movies, and listen to the interview I supplied) is having no respect to the ARGUMENT or the people you're arguing WITH. Merriam Webster Dictionary says about "Charlatan": The theory itself may be considered by someone who isn't a charlatan, but by presenting it *this way*, this specific guy *is* a Charlatan. To summarize: It's not necessarily *what* he is saying, he's HOW he's presenting it. If you think we are being dogmatic, I really strongly recommend you go over some of the other highly ridiculous theories people post in this specific forum and you will see that we usually are a lot more patient, and willing to listen, with people who present their theory - as 'whackie' as it may sound on face value - with respect, if they are honest with their explanations. ~moo

Those are good points.. only one I must challenge: Why is the number of evangelists (or, the fact that they're growing [if..]) is so important to the proof of the statement? It's obviously important to the EXTENT of the problem, but even if they're not growing, a strong minority can be *extremely* influencial... I think it's more effective to check how zealous they are in going INTO politics.. Not trying to shoot myself in the foot here (being Jewish and all ) but look at the Jews.. it's a minority.. actually quite a SMALL minority compared to america.. and yet they're EXTREMELY influencial.. Okay I'm still looking things up, but check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States Specifically the section under "The American Religious Identification Survey", and count the growth percentage of all Pentacostal and/or Evangelical ministries. All hail wikipedia.. more to follow... ~moo ADD---> Statistics: Evangelizing Friends: http://www.thearda.com/quickstats/qs_66.asp Evangelizing Strangers: http://www.thearda.com/quickstats/qs_67.asp Religion's Influence on Politics (Specifically: 'Would you rather see religion have greater influence in politics and public life...'): http://www.thearda.com/quickstats/qs_42.asp Should political leaders rely on religious beliefs to make decisions? http://www.thearda.com/quickstats/qs_45.asp (GEESH!) Should religious leaders try to influence politicians? http://www.thearda.com/quickstats/qs_41.asp (.... GEEEESSHHH!!!) ...and more to come (but not tonight.. i need sleep) ~moo

I was certain that choochoo trains use steam to rotate the axil similarly to a 'windmill' rotating by wind... but that's not quite perpendicular to the motion. If I ask for a drawing (or.. resource with a drawing?) will that sound REALLY rude?.. I just.. I get what you're saying .. kida.. I just.. don't SEE it.. that's what is bothering me :\ I don't know *why* this is such a problem, btw, for me.. it just is.. I'm having REALLY big troubles with it.

Yah, I know that. Where do I feel it though? What's its physical manifestation? I don't get *that* part.. it's so 'vague' to me, it's confusing.

Right.. so where do I "feel" it?

Wait wait.. sorry to be an idiot here but.. when I pedal, I rotate the wheel.. it's even in the same "direction" as the rotation.. where is the Torque? Fro that matter.. if I would "push" on the wheel from "the side" (IE 90 degrees from the rotation -- where the "torque" is supposed to be..)... would it start rotating? I'll look those up... when I'm using a wrench (regular one, never heard of 'torque wrench' before) i'm just ROTATING the screw. Of course it takes force, but the force is directional to the rotation, and not 90 degrees to it.. Egh this is so confusing.

It's all good, I just tried to stop the deterioration towards personal self-defense here in this post. I figured ti took a bit of a personal pinch, so.. It's cool Well, not quite -- I understand what you're saying but I think there's a difference between a *scientific* resource (which these are DEFINITELY not) and an emotional/POV resource. I started this post with a movie, and my own personal impact on it, accompanied by a specifically feeling/emotional Personal POV, so I guess this CAN fit as a 'resource'. It's true, though, that if we get into the science behind the impact of evangelism on kids, we should probably get some SCIENCE behind it to prove the point. I am going to check out some psychological resources, I think it's important to see researches of just how much a young child is affected by his surroundings, and maybe we can infer how "brainwashy" the method is.. Yup, that is my point -- the concern of KNOWING about it, and trying to see how to DEAL with it. I have a lot to say about Sunday classes and churches, but I would never presume to enter it into such a personal-POV thread like the current one. We're debating the effect of Evangelists on the public, and that's a generalized - quite emotional - response POV, and I think we should be careful not to add too many "other" groups into the discussion *because* we are using a generalization here. So yeah, I agree. We should just be careful in the discussion. That's a good point, but I think that in such debates it's very hard, so what we should probably do is realize that since we *are* generalizing, we should watch out from over-generalizations, and we should try and be more specific in our arguments. This last one is for me, mainly I'll do my best hehe Oh, DEFINITELY! I know some people who were home schooled too, and they're very good in rational thinking. Actually, their parents home schooled them mostly BECAUSE they lived in an environment that was quite conservative and leaned towards NOT teaching rational and critical thinking. The difference is not the method it is the PURPOSE. And another point -- in Israel "homeschooling" is not an option. Since Israel is semi-socialistic country (egh, not exactly, but I guess it's a fair definition for a 2 second point I'm making) we have a strict law about sending kids to school. The schools, however, are STRICTLY separated in science and religion. When I grew up, I went to secular school, and while we DID learn the bible - we did that in RELIGION class, and we analyzed it secularly (it's very interesting, actually). When it was time for SCIENCE class, it was *strictly* science. No one ever even thought of sneaking religious agenda in there. For many reasons that I will elaborate on if you want me too (but are not quite relevant to this discussion atm) the case of "Dover" would have *NEVER* happened in Israel. Ever. So for me, homeschooling is a new concept.. which is also why I checked out who and what goes into it. It's not a bad think at *all*. It's horrible to me, however, that it's being USED for such terrible outcomes. ~moo

Right, so I am taking a physics class this semester. Most of it is just reminding myself of my Highschool physics, but I encountered a conceptual problem I still remember struggling with in High School too. Disclaimer: I have no problems understanding the *formulas*. That's not my problem; I can either memorize them, or add them up to my formula page. The "what is torque Mathematically" is not the question here. What is Torque? Physically. Can anyone please explain to me what is this force? I understand it is created by rotation, but I can't manage to imagine it, or understand how I can 'feel' it. If I rotate something around my hand - like a wheel - where do I feel this force? What effect does it have? I guess what I'm looking for is the physical "realistic" manifestation of Torque, and since I can't manage to actually imagine/detect it myself I am having troubles understanding what it is... Help? Thanks in advance! ~moo

Pangloss -- I agree with you that my claims are generalized, but the reason is because I'm taking a very limited group -- Evangelist Christians in America, specifically the type that create/handle/follow/send-their-kids-to Hell Houses and the Ultra Conservative College depicted in "God's Next Army". In this Generalization I don't mean to demean anyone, but rather face the *problem* that comes from THESE types of people. Whether these are the entirety of evangelists or only 'some' of them is irrelevant to the issue of dealing with the PROBLEM that is created by the SPECIFIC group I am talking about. I agree that Generalization is a fallacy, I just don't think it is taking off anything of my specific argument... Homeschooling by itself is not a brainwashing, but it can be *used* for brainwashing technique. I was giving it as another example because the point was raised that the kids were not 100% surrounded by the evangelist dogma. I disagreed with that suggestion. I claim they are, indeed, 100% influenced -- their ENTIRE surrouding - by religion. I gave homeschooling as one point; the Evangelist parents in all these examples stated CLEARLY that they homeschool their children because they don't WANT them to encounter the doubt and opinions of the public (and even other christian PRIVATE) schools. It's *used* for brainwashing, and when a parent actively admits he is homeschooling his child so that he can control what the child receives as input, specifically to make sure his entire upbringing revolves around Jesus (which the parents admit to), it is ADMITTED brainwashing. That was my point. ~moo

When I state "If you have a doubt, watch ..." I don't mean that you would UNDOUBTEDLY be convinced, I am saying that I think those are good resources to understand why I am saying what I'm saying.. I would appreciate if you guys remember that: 1) I am not a native English speaker, so sometimes my language may be based on more "slang" derivatives than I am aware of. Simply pointing out that you didn't understand what I'm talking about would make me explain myself. 2) Don't take my every word literal, rather read the entire sentence and take it all in context... It's not my intention to humiliate anyone, I ahve a lot of respect to you guys, so please don't automatically assume I'm being an arrogant prick. I'm not. Well.. this time. And there's a reason I added the link to "God's Army".. it's available online, so I figured you guys may benefit from watching. I have the other movies online links too, if you want. And another point -- I am talking about Evangelists and their way of brainwashing their children *in america*. I am not talking about any other group.. I am well aware that there are OTHER groups that do that, and in my opinion *all* brainwashing of children is wrong, regardless of what religion, or what other belief system it is - whether i believe in it or not. Just a side note, my Ex Boyfriend is a 'refugee' of the Ultra Orthodox community in Israel. He was brainwashed too, as a child, and it is *still* wrong. They're using other methods, and it may be a good debate to discuss what they are doing to the children and to the community around them, but it's not for this current debate... I'm just wondering about the effect on the *public* of these Evangelists in America -- Specifically, what we are facing from this 'front' of thousands of people educating (brainwashing!) their children to try and combat free thought and stomp on *our* rights in the name of faith. Personally, I find it alarming. One of the reasons I raised this topic up is to try and figure out if there *is* a way to combat at least some of it, by law (against brainwashing!? I dont know..) or by public debate. ~moo p.s: I have a lot of respect to all of you, and this isn't an empty statement - I really do, or I wouldn't be "wasting" time debating you guys. I think this is an awesome debate other than a few minor hickups along the way. I would *terribly appreciate it* if you show the same amount of respect to me, my friends, and don't speak as if I'm not here Saying "she meant" or "she didn't" or whatever else, is void. Ask me. I'll be glad to explain. Say "I understood that.." it sounds much better. Please give me the same respect as I give you, and don't presume to explain my words for me. I'm right here, so.. uhm.. ask

Yeah I'm not talking about protests or screams, I'm more concerned with the effect of brainwashing education over young children. Most Evangelicals use homeschooling, btw, for the purpose of making sure their children interact with society as little as possible... controlling all aspects of their lives (yes, all. not some, not many, all. Specifically in a young age) and creating a generation of brainwashed lackies that - in turn - will do the same for THEIR children. We're facing a whole subnation of people that encourage the war against science and are convicted to fight against *our* freedom. If you have any doubt about that, Watch "Jesus Camp", "Hell House" and "God's Next Army". ~moo

This movie claims they have made more than just progress -- it claims it has functional machines like that, capable of creating 'creative' processes... exaggeration?

I just finished watching the movie "In Its Image". My brain hurts.. How plausible to you guys think it is that we will have TRULY thinking machines based on this concept? It sounds mindboggling but beyond that, Im a bit surprised not to have heard of this concept before. Maybe it's just me... anyone heard of this? btw.. the entire thing kinda smells weird... the "lots of products were invented by creativity machines but i'm obliged by contract to not tell you which" is.. uhh.. suspicious, to say the least. Is this valid!? ~moo

Yah I've seen that movie (and talked about it in the other topics in the thread). Sad. Scary, veryyy veryy scary. And it's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. ~moo

Yea, I wouldn't be surprised. Check this out, if you guys are still doubting these kids have nothing *other* than religion in their lives, even when interacting with other aspects of reality: http://www.homeschoolblogger.com/homeschoolevangelist/ http://www.cheaofca.org/preschool.jsp and there's more, from a google search. This is both sad and extremely scary. ~moo

Well, excuse me, but if we're talking about *buying* an organ (technically, if you pay the 'donator' he is no longer a donating person he is a SELLER), then we have no right to claim who is eligible to buy and who isn't. That, btw, is the biggest problem I do have with this system. Rich people will get donations. Poor people will lose body parts. ~moo

Do we? I actually think it is in evangelical societies.. After watching "Jesus Camp", and "Hell House", and reading some evangelical 'tutoring' and 'parenting tutoring' websites and articles, I find that they're EXTREMELY extreme with their "religion is *everything*" view. I mean.. how further do you go than having a foreign-language class with an emphasis on evangelism..?? "The Christian Guide to Spanish" ?? I disagree with you. I think Evangelical kids have 110% of their lives revolving around religious dogmas, God, and anti-science. I really do. I agree, so if we're the only one, at least we're not alone ~moo

You know what.. I would take the sentence "Children are templates" (which I agree with completely) and actually claim that this means religion is more dangerous than video games. Here's why: Video games are not encompassing the child's ENTIRE environment and life 100% of the time, and if parents are responsible, then video games have the 'notion' or 'effect' of being 'unreal'. The violence is games can affect children, but the notion of the games being unreal (like.. 'scary stories' -- they're scary, but they're a myth..) still exists, specifically if the parents are responsible and share this view with the child. The game is not "REAL LIFE", it's a game. I do agree that these things affect children and we should probably check how much and in what ways to prevent psychological lasting effects, but still. Games are effective when tehy're played. Religion is 100% of the child's environment (we're talking evangelicals, so extremists) and in all facets of life -- it's not just that time he's playing, it's EVERYTHING -- his books, his games, his talks with his parents, his talks with his teachers, his homework, his home, everything. I find that a lot more dangerous to a child than a game, as violent as a game may be. (btw, I need to look it up but I do believe there has been scientific researches on this one and they're either inconclusive or stating the effect of the game is not *that* effective in terms of violence. Let me loook them up though) ~moo

Glider, that's a good point. I'll need to think about it. But I don't know .. the fact that what we do today doesn't work doesn't mean that it *can't* work.. I need to research this further, I think (again) I read somewhere about committees like these actually WORKING in some places in Europe. I'm not in 'the system' though, so I am not sure what goes on other than what I hear and read, and there's not much to read in the newspapers about illegal trading of body parts... Still, those are good points.. I'll do some digging and get back (try to, at least) with some more concrete ideas. I hope ~moo