DrmDoc

Today I learned the origin of Jell-O and how it became "America's Favorite Dessert"--it involved a very clever marketing ad that cost $336 in 1904 dollars.

I just think he's incompetent and he knows he's incapable of doing the job he was elected to do without his nursemaids. Trump has effectively abdicated his presidency to his children--whom no rational person would ever have supported or elected. Then again, like facts, I don't think reason appeals to Trump supporters.

They who? What lie? As the moderator has conveyed, where or what is your evidence?

What point is there in giving truthful answers, when you're incapable of acknowledging them as truths? You believe so much in your own truth that you're incapable of accepting its fallacies relative to actual truths, which are supported by sound reasoning and real evidence in science.

Indeed, he's the Wizard Of Crap. I've grown increasingly doubtful of our country's future and its ability to recover from the damage Trump and the Republicans could cause during this administration.

According to NBC News article: Although I've been keeping track of Trump's various rollbacks, I was not aware of this one. Absolutely deplorable that this edict hasn't received more attention. It seems that Trump and his Republican cronies are undertaking every effort to erase all evidence of Obama's presidency from America's history regardless of injury to our vulnerable citizenry. Despicable!

Twin two marks 1 day later than twin one because twin two's days (24 hrs.) are longer relative twin one's days. Twin two perceives his days as normal time although twin one see twin two's days as longer than his. Conversely, twin two perceives twin one's days as shorter than his although twin one views his day as normal time also. Twin two isn't in the past, he is merely experiencing elongated (dilated) time relative to twin one.

No contradiction; time dilation and observing objects at a distance are not the same and do not regard the same effect.

I'll give it one last try. Observing an object in a time dilations bubble is not observing an object in your relative past. It's observing the viscus effects of time dilation on that objects motion and aging, which slows relative to your non-viscus temporal state. However, observing objects at a distance is indeed an observation of that object's past state, which is merely observing light from a distant object that has traveled a measure of time to reach your observation. What you would be observing isn't the object itself but rather it's light delayed and aged by the time it took to reach your position of observation.

With equal respect, you are not giving full consideration to what any of us here are clearly conveying. If you were to observe a clock in a time dilation bubble from outside of that bubble, you would observe that time dilated clock moving slowly compared to your ground clock. If your were to observe a ground clock from inside a dilation bubble, you would observe that outside ground clock hands moving more rapidly than your clock inside the time dilations. In either case, you would not be observing either past or future--you would merely be observing variations in the speed at which time passes. Further still, time dilation and observations of distant objects do not regard the same effect.

You referred to objects in time dilation as being behind your time, as if in the past. Observations of objects in time dilation are not observations of those objects in your temporal past, they are observations of time passing more slowly for those objects than it does for you.

In my water analogy your hand is slowed when passing through water. The effect of time dilation is represented by the water. Time dilation exist as the analogous influence slowing your theoretical clock's hands. Time dilation is not an effect consigning objects to the past, it's an effect that appears to slow the experience of time.

In your version of time dilation, the clock at light-speed is behind your relative time or in the past as you have continually conveyed. In reality, it's merely registering time temporally more slowly rather than experience some past time. It's analogous to passing your hand through water as opposed to air. Through water, your hand moves more slowly than it does through air. In time dilation, the hands of the light-speed clock moves more slowly than it would at ground time.

A clock at light-speed is materially younger and not one that is in the past.

Think in terms of age instead of clock time. Objects at light-speed age slower than non light-speed objects. This is not about past or present.

What question? There's no denying relativity, just a denial of your perspective of relativity.

Once again, not looking at the past but rather receiving old light.

You're still not getting it. Time dilation refers to the bubble of slowed time surrounding objects traveling at light-speed. It's not that the objects are behind time, it's merely that those objects are experiencing time at a slower rate than non light-speed objects. Conceptualized as aging, the light-speed object isn't in the past, it just not aging as quickly. This, of course, is different from the observation of distant astronomical objects in that they are not moving at light-speed. The distinct here, again, is that the light from those objects has traveled long distances that required millions of light-years to reach us--essentially, ancient light.

Observing a projection from the past isn't traveling to the past and an object traveling away at light-speed isn't traveling to the past either. Objects that travel at light-speed and non-light-speed experience separate and distinct states of time. This is like two distinct temporal spheres of realities, wherein, neither is behind or ahead of the other as they would be in a singular sphere of reality. As I understand your perspective, you view time as a single sphere wherein the linear reality of light-speed objects are connected to the linear reality of non-light-speed objects; therefore, in your perspective, light-speed renders objects in the past relative to your present. Light-speed and, therefore, distant observations aren't about past relative to present, they are about time within separate spheres of influence. An object moving at light-speed ages more slowly than an object at non-light-speed. That light-speed object isn't in the past, it just experiences time more slowly. This is different for deep-space observations in that we are not observing objects traveling at light-speed--we are merely observing light from those deep-space objects that has traveled several million years to Earth to reach our observations. What we are observing in this is merely several million year old light.

Yes, I understand time dilation quite well. However, you seem to be have trouble with perspectives. Your interpretation appears to be based on merely a stationary observer perspective. Light-speed compresses time; however, as Lord Antares has conveyed, deep-space objects are merely projections of prior states like home movies of a childhood birthday party--although what you see in the movie projects the past, what you observe isn't time-traveling to the past.

It's a thought experiment much like that of Einstein. What you perceive as an object behind you in time is merely your perspective of how slowly time progresses relative to light-speed objects.

There are two possible observer perspectives: One involving the person moving at light-speed and the other involving the person observing the other traveling away at light-speed. Indeed, time is relative because time, for the person at light-speed, would progress more slowly relative to the non-light-speed observer. When the light-speed traveler returns home, he should find that the stationary observer had aged more rapidly. Effectively, the light-speed traveler has moved his present state across time more rapidly relative to the stationary observer. He isn't behind, if I understand correctly, he has merely leaped ahead to a state the stationary observe traversed more slowly relative to light-speed. From the a light-speed perspective, time for the stationary observer has passed quickly. From a stationary perspective, time for the light-speed traveler has passed slowly.

If I understand your question correctly, it's not that the object is behind you in time, it's the information that you're receiving that is delayed by the time it takes for that information to reach your observation. This is precisely what we observe through deep-space observations of distant galaxies. We may only know the state of those distant galaxies as they were rather than as they presently are because of the time required for their light to travel the distance to our observations.

It seems my prediction is on track to validation as Trump's approval rating has sunk to 38%.

I'm not sure, but there could be a limit to the number of up and down votes members are permitted daily. Perhaps you exceeded your daily limit? If so, then that option should be restored within 24 hours.