Mike Smith Cosmos

The subject of both are related, ( circular motion) . The oscillating masses are partial arc, the rotating ring is complete arc (circle). They have similar considerations, however they equally have different issues. There common theme is : Can you utilize circular/partial arc motion to generate orbital style motion,even at near ground level.? The numbers are nothing like the ones you describe DH . Oscillating Mass 4 inches peak at 40 Khz Rotating Ring 20 meter Diameter @ 1,000,000 RPM

IF YOU FEEL A HINT OF ANYTHING BEING THERE in Prof Laithwaite and his work These links although having to be read are worth the effort Link 1 http://www.iseti.us/WhitePapers/MARS2005/MarsSociety-2005-(DoestheLaithwaiteGyroscopicWeightLosshavePropulsionPotential-2005-09-11).pdf Link 2 http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=centifugal%20force%20and%20professor%20laithwaite&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Frense.com%2Fgeneral42%2Fgenius.htm&ei=U1nYUd-0G5Ka0AXO44HQDA&usg=AFQjCNHL8jXyRJ6dsRp6vghoU_3gyDpkMA Although these were slipped in previously , they may have been neglected as they are longish read as reports. But worth it. .

o.k. Further ref to Eric Laithwaite and his demise http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=centifugal%20force%20and%20professor%20laithwaite&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Frense.com%2Fgeneral42%2Fgenius.htm&ei=U1nYUd-0G5Ka0AXO44HQDA&usg=AFQjCNHL8jXyRJ6dsRp6vghoU_3gyDpkMA . .

I need to clarify things a little here . Proff Laithwaite was concentrating on the Gyroscope as being a source of Lift . away from the effect of gravity . He made no claim or any theory as far as I was aware with "electrons" . I was making claim about oscillating masses as if at the end of a giant tuning fork, later just two counter oscillating masses See link below. Link http://www.scienceforums.net/uploads/monthly_07_2013/post-33514-0-66386800-1372945180.jpg At the time I was advocating one could rectify a sinusoidal waveform of force in the way an ac electrical voltage can be rectified by a bridge rectifier and get all oscillations being in one positive direction . as illustrated below . I was of a mind that a very large tuning fork where the main mass was at the ends of the prongs, would accomplish this. As it happens he did not agree with me that I did not have the right to suggest an electrical analogue to a mechanical issue. However he believed there WAS something there that he was pursuing, and said he would help as there was no one else at the time (late 1970s-1980s However he was pushing the Gyroscope, I was pushing the oscillating Masses ( as above ). http://www.scienceforums.net/uploads/monthly_07_2013/post-33514-0-66386800-1372945180.jpg In later years I believed this same principle could be applied to electron pairs or counter spins. Both of these issues have been described on other threads on this Science forum My proposal in this thread was and is based around TWO counter oscillating masses Link http://www.scienceforums.net/uploads/monthly_07_2013/post-33514-0-66386800-1372945180.jpg During the last few posts I have introduced Prof Laithwaits claim that a Gyroscope could be used to reduce the effect of Gravity. My original worry with the gyroscope was that it was a closed system and everything was cancelling out around each revolution. In recent years I have reasoned that ANY mass moving at 17,700 mph will levitate to orbit as it stands ( namely where it is ,when its cranked up to speed. ) See link http://www.scienceforums.net/uploads/monthly_07_2013/post-33514-0-63185500-1373095418.jpg Prof Laithwaits Video http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=centifugal%20force%20and%20professor%20laithwaite&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDEQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJRPC7a_AcQo&ei=U1nYUd-0G5Ka0AXO44HQDA&usg=AFQjCNEWuR_c3FmbkkzzWmBw6b1_SKjYmw Royal Institute Lecture http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OpCEJxO6V9g Further Link http://www.iseti.us/WhitePapers/MARS2005/MarsSociety-2005-(DoestheLaithwaiteGyroscopicWeightLosshavePropulsionPotential-2005-09-11).pdf

In the context of Paths the have either " no reason not to" or "paths of least resistance ", That:- It is interesting That Professor Laithwait describes " a path that the giroscope wants to go " Link http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=centifugal%20force%20and%20professor%20laithwaite&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDEQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJRPC7a_AcQo&ei=U1nYUd-0G5Ka0AXO44HQDA&usg=AFQjCNEWuR_c3FmbkkzzWmBw6b1_SKjYmw

Yes ,well this is where the maths comes in , you have all been pestering me to do. Springing biro pens Spinning toy gyroscopes for xmas Even Prof Laithwaits museum Gyroscope ALL THESE ARE VERY VERY VERY LOW NUMBERS You need to go BIG (as Mc Donalds say ) I mean Big ! Like my illustrations . To Get forces like g Force of gravity . I did the maths a few years ago. I;m Sure the Gyro required was 20 meters diameter Revolutions 1,000,000 Revs Per Minute. Then my integral mass [see link below ] has lift off, or escape Velocity. link http://www.scienceforums.net/uploads/monthly_07_2013/post-33514-0-63185500-1373095418.jpg The Gyroscope was Prof Laithwaits . In late 1970's/early 1980/s I was working on the tuning fork method. I sought a research Grant from the Research council. They said The Only Person I could contact Re this Project was Prof Laithwaite of Imperial college London. A series of contact was established with Prof Laithwaite at this time. I sought a patent at this time. However I was growing a company making computer interface cables. At the time the home computer and IBM PC was mushrooming, I had to concentrate on my business. Since then Prof Laithwaite has died , I have, taught Physics and have now retired and am giving the project a re-birth. Hopefully . I am amazed that such a potentially beneficial system it greeted with such scorn ! Oh well c'est la vie , . Yes I agree . Do I take it you have a partial belief ,that there may be something there . If so I applaud you as I seem to be getting a bit of a pasting from the powers that be ! Mike

Here is First link To Prefessor Laithwaite Claims Link http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=centifugal%20force%20and%20professor%20laithwaite&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDEQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJRPC7a_AcQo&ei=U1nYUd-0G5Ka0AXO44HQDA&usg=AFQjCNEWuR_c3FmbkkzzWmBw6b1_SKjYmw Concerning the mechanical processes involved in the rotating ring see link http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=centifugal%20force%20and%20professor%20laithwaite&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDEQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJRPC7a_AcQo&ei=U1nYUd-0G5Ka0AXO44HQDA&usg=AFQjCNEWuR_c3FmbkkzzWmBw6b1_SKjYmw

Appreciate your consideration . Perhaps this rotating version may clarify what is potentially going on . As this version does not require the oscillation mechanism . The inertia or momentum is saved a radical direction change. In both systems there is no immediate requirement for a vacuum. In the case of the rotating version , each integral slice of mass is following the one in front.( no drag. ) At this stage its not going any where , just hanging there. In the Oscillating version Yes there is the end vibration which could be quite large. ( my sums originally were 4 inches at 40 Khz).. This end area may need to be evacuated ( certainly by people [joke] if not Air ). see diagram below for rotating version. .. .. . Before you abandon me completely DH. I would appreciate your criticism, provided its constructive. Let me just say: Professor Laithewaite of Imperial College London in the 1980,s got this same criticism and was discredited for a while. He later went on to prove his case with another University in the north of England and patented the idea. Sandy Kidd wrote a Book Quoted below. A Russian made some progress with superconductors. A Japanese researcher was on the case , as are many world wide. I came into the picture with Prof Laithwaite but he died before I came out of my career sufficient to give it attention. Now I am in retirement I can give it attention. .. .. Have a look at the scientific diagram I posted before this post. Tell me what is wrong with an integral slice of mass travelling at approx 17,700 -22,000 mph, whether IT IS/ IS NOT at escape velocity. And if it is . Then why is it not true ( in all possible directions in the horizantal ) for the summation of all integral slices around the complete ring. And if it is true for the complete ring , why is the ring not in orbit where it stands. Also as you correctly say " electrons are not in satellite style orbits" but they are in some form of Energy band / orbitals somewhere around the atom somewhere surely or localized chemistry and bonding,would not work ? No? Now , that should give you a starting point. Ps I can, If I dig them out of my loft , to show my original communications with Prof Laithewait back in 1970-1980's What is the problem with what I am saying. Yes it might sound a bit different. But is it wrong ? Tell me what is wrong with the reasoning With diagram below/above of an integral slice. Perhaps I am missing something. Well put me out of my misery ! Then I can go away and grow tomatoes or something. Mike

What appears to be an unresolved issue at this time is , Are the rules of Maths , some form of bedrock ( as Mike Tegmark would have us believe) .Such that we can view Schrödinger equation, and other equations of an inclusion or exclusion nature, as the reason for Exclusion Bands or Inclusion bands or is the maths just a near model of some more fundamental reality which is dictating the rules.

The Atom is An example of :- a) if there is no reason for it not to occur ACCEPTABLE ENERGY BANDS /ORBITALS b) If there are reasons for anything not to occur EXCLUSION ENERGY LEVELS .So the prime device of matter, the atom can be seen as an example of how such a theory can encompass something as important as this atomic system. .

Alternatively , Take an atom which has a few electron energy levels . By the application of appropriate Oscillating radiation to an electron in the lower energy band. The electron will absorb the energy, by some means of oscillation and of rotation. The electron will move to a higher energy level or higher orbital. depending on conditions the electron will either remain in the higher energy band or orbital. Should there be a vacancy in a lower orbit, the electron will 'fall' or transfer to,the lower vacant orbit. In so doing giving up the energy difference in the form of radiation (photons). The system works . With all atoms the system works. Similarly , surely If you transfer sufficient energy of an oscillatory or rotational form to mass, where else can the surplus energy go ,other than a higher energy state, higher orbit. If you feed a radio antenna with sufficient energy of an oscillatory nature, of sufficient frequency, and continue to supply the necessary energy, the antenna will set up an oscillating electro/magnetic field such that the surplus energy , heads off at the speed of light into the far distance never to return. Surely there is sufficient testable models here to warrant research and investigation. If Electrons can do it at the micro level , maybe we can use this at the macro level to our advantage. The numbers are sufficiently higher than Biro pen experiments. This is like expecting to attempt to make an electron to jump orbit by rattling a stick.. Using electrons in atom orbitals is a far more reliable model .. More Oscillations and/or rotation .

m x (V squared) / r = m x g where m is he mass of any potentially orbiting object. V is the velocity , r is the radius from the center of the earth, g is the acceleration due to gravitational field. as m is on both sides of equation they cancel to 1 Solution V = 17,700 miles per hour (approx) Result/Conclusion Any (massive object m ) moving about the proximity of the Earth ( 100 meters above ground or 10,000 meters ) at 17,700 mph will be in a "floatation style" orbit. As inertia tries to make it escape in a straight line tangentially and the force of gravity tries to pull it towards the center of the Earth [centipetal]. The result is a partial arc for as long as the conditions are met. irrelevant of direction. Forwards , backwards , sideways . Hence if the movement is contained somehow by oscillation or rotation , as long as it meets the 17,700 mph and the maths holds up , then :- - IF the maths is right and holds up SO should the Satellite. stay up Maths above Ps . As illustrated in previous posts . [ humbug ] . Should you require the MATHS for ROTATIONAL version they can be requested . Result was approx Diameter 20 meters at 1,000,000 RPM {Not even I , I dare not draw that one, I promise , stop it No No ... }

I have read through and pondered these comments of yours, and if you replace "the case" with my "the mold" and your " will " with my " initiative " , in this particular discussion about FREE WILL , then I would agree that we are very close as to what we both feel is going on. Sorry its taken a while to get back to you, I've been a bit tied up in other threads, and one thing and another. I am a little 'worded out' and 'drawn out' at the moment. But will enjoy furthering out our exchange 'Futura' . Although I do consider human consciousness a driver in the changes going on in the cosmos, I have been trying to reason in this thread " a lingual theory of everything " that the whole shebang. (Everything, and I mean Every last darn thing, , is unfolding, to some extent incorporating BOTH unconscious initiatives ( be they trivial and minimal) , as a mechanism by which the universe/cosmos is developing, together with consciousness's making their own large or small influences.

You stagger me. I thought my posts were reasonably popular. I have just made a quick count through my threads or threads that I played a major part in progressing. Some 30,000 viewings .The current thread 164 views in 4 days. Centriugal 1216,maths2451, lingual theory 5598, spec popular 943, earth 1228, heisenberg 3127, came down to earth 933 probability 885 tuning fork 419,macro/micro 652 now 541, plank telescope 989, geology sw 533, spin 14,323 expert 943, pre-cambrian 834, geology future 1134 laws of physics 1171, attraction repulsion 849 intake of calcium pre-cambrian 368, probability / time 568, rotating universe 854 ,photon absorb/reflect dry/wet 620 approx 30,000 views. Are you sure you want me to Stop . I thought the idea was to bring an audience to science in this forum. not just argue. I am a visual person, I think in pictures, I have a pencil and notebook and piece of paper in my top shirt pocket. I,go to bed with a notebook beside the bed. I taught in pictures, I draw and paint pictures, If any body asks me a question , I reach for my notebook and doodle the solution. If you really want me to stop . I will . But you can't change me. I have been like this since I was 7 years , I am now 70 years. Ask me to stop contributing ,and I will stop. But you can't change me. ( " I am Mike the Model by Me-pictures " ) You cant teach old dogs new tricks. This old dog is one massive heap of images and pictures.

. MAIN PRINCIPLE OF OPERATION . . CONVERSION OF STRAIGHT LINE INERTIA TO ORBITAL FOR COMPONENTS OF SYSTEM. . . . EQUIVALENT COMPONENTS OF SYSTEM. . . .

Whoever has awarded me a (-1) for this post, would you declare yourself , and explain your objection by reasoning . Until such time ,as I have had opportunity to defend using scientific reasoning I would appreciate being credited so as to negate this vote . Please have the courage to make your disagreement public. And let us discuss the fores and against the proposal for such an ambitious Mass Transit System scheme , with its potential gains ( EEEE ). .~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ INTERNAL ENERGY BOOST FOR HIGHER ORBIT. . . . LATERAL MOVEMENT IN ORBIT . BY INTERNAL ENERGY SOURCE . . . . New Mass Transfer Shuttle arriving for next power up and takeoff Lateral speed can be carefully controlled from VERY LOW SPEED to HIGH SPEED . (Does not relate to Lift ) . Different system for lateral movement. . MASS TRANSIT VEHICLE EQUIPPED WITH AERODYNAMIC CONES . .. .

. . THE LOADING HAS BEGUN . . . INITIAL ENERGY INJECTION . . . . . LIFT OFF TO INITIAL 100 Meter ORBITAL . . . . The Journey's just begun.

OPERATION of MASS TRANSPORT SYSTEM Once the energy impact is introduced, there exists a Circumferential tube,of opportunity for the mass to travel through, whereby the inertia of the mass is restrained by the centripetal gravitational force bending the trajectory into the tube of opportunity. { This Tube is a circumferential orbit of the Earth 100 meters/10,000 meters or as selected by the initial or replaced impact energy} Similarly the conditions are right for the other mass travelling in the opposite direction. While attached elastically the system is sustainable. For movement of the couplet of both masses additional angular inertia/momentum would need to be added. ( as like a supertanker on the surface of the ocean, except the drag would be much less due to the difference of water and atmosphere) ONE CYLINDER OF ACCESS OPPOSITE CYLINDER OF ACCESS GLOBAL SYSTEM TRANS -ATLANTIC MASS TRANSPORT LINK THIS could be a Research/Manufacture Economy Boost

Two opposing CYLINDERS of ACCESS offer the opportunity for a NEW TRANSIT REVOLUTION. See Following Diagram : - ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ Peek Velocity 22,000MPH RMS 17,700mph RMS ROOT MEAN SQUARED ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ Theory The initiation energy would set up an instantaneous inertia following a sinusoidal ranging from zero through a positive peak of 22,000 mph, through zero to minus 22,000 mph. This would give an RMS value of approx 17,700 mph. . The elastic coupling would ensure Mass Transport system would go no further than the scope of the CYLINDERS of ACCESS. However the Mass Transport System, at this stage would be in a condition of Stationary Orbit . This could exist at 100 meters in height, 10,000 meters or what ever orbit is specified by the INITIATION ENERGY.. Once in orbit the Mass Transport Device can move sideways in the spherical orbit as required. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It will be noticed that there is a Similarity to the moving of Mass Transport by Canal and Ocean Going Freight Liners. The Orbit in their case is at SEA LEVEL or 0 meters.. By taking Things UP A GEAR to 100 meters. or 10,000 meters requires a different System ( as described above ) .This requires new thinking and newish technology. ( however we are already doing half of this by putting satellites in orbit. ) This system requires TWO opposing Satellites in elastic coupling, Where the Payload is a small value in proportion of the Entire Oscillating Mass. However the Physics and Maths is the same no matter what level of orbit [ 0 meters , 100 meters, 10,000m ] M v squared /r = M g M's cancel g is g Root Mean Squared value of v= approx 17,700 mph . CONCEPT PHYSICS MATHS

An opportunity exists for a major infrastructure project on a par with THE CANAL REVOLUTION ; THE SHIPPING REVOLUTION, ; THE RAILWAY REVOLUTION : THE FLIGHT REVOLUTION. A new opportunity awaits for various TRANSIT orbitals ranging from 100 meters to 10,000 meters . Two opposing CYLINDERS of ACCESS offer the opportunity for a NEW TRANSIT REVOLUTION. See Following Diagram : - ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ Such a system if developed could prove : Energy efficient Economic Boost Employment Boost Economical use of Resources .

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As per message : I don't actually Know. I have this woolly picture ( of the Early Pre Cambrian ) of boiled up mantle as some form of volcanic soup of all the chemical elements, trying to crystalise out into happy molecules that the chemicals have crystalised out into., Then what happens .?? Do they get rained on or frozen on for a billion years to turn into a Sea Soup ? . Maybe some kindly Geology Expert will respond ,to put me out of my misery .

. Perhaps .. have I picked it up Wrong !

Yes but surely we can not just talk of 1,000,000,000 years of rain fall, washing away into the sea countless giga tons of chemicals and then go and make a cup of tea. . This is mind blowing ! Mike.

Can anyone explain all this in terms of CALCIUM ? Thanks . Mike IS THIS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT . A glut of calcium (among other minerals ) was dissolved over a period of 1 billion years from deep seated rock and available en mass at the Pre-cambrian/cambrian border period and thus available in the SEA for the construction of spines, teeth, shells, bones , Skulls etc. . .