Mike Smith Cosmos

That is an amazing story Split, Why have you not told me before. I now know why you and I are conversing . ( Within this particular Thread and the other one on " everything and anything can occur....." and with your attachment to the Multiverse )

Great Video . I missed it. the blue dot , between the Blue lines Popped it up here in case others missed it like me. Sorry iNOW I am an idiot. I have just gone back on your past posts , and I see now , you have it as your Sub script . Mike

I have two times spent university study into electronics ( First in the 1960's Brunell University London 3 years ) ( Second in the 1990's/2000's University Plymouth/Salford 4 years ) Each time with horrendous Maths and Electron Energy Band Theory . I think both have left me with Brain Damage. However, when I was out in the big wide world, working and thinking , I got to think about how if adding a quantified amount of energy to an electron could move an electron to a higher energy band ( just by inputting ENERGY ) Why could we not do the same with Macro matter , although I don't remember the use of "Macro" then . So Move BIG STUFF into a higher orbit. Well of course it was all the rage then. Missiles, Rockets, Nassa Men on the moon. I worked on missiles a bit, but changed and ended up in the hardware computer business, which itself went up and down like rockets. I set myself the task, to one side from the Day Job , to thinking on this matter of : Inputting Energy into Big Matter as the BIG or MACRO version of Inputting energy into the MICRO electrons to put into Higher Energy Bands ORBITALS. Although there is much debate about electrons, what they are and where they are, They must be out there somewhere further away from the Nucleus than inner electrons as they are the ones that make Molecules, conduct electricity, etc ( and stick static electrified balloons to ceilings ) So they are put there by energy usually by Electro- Magnetic Wave Energy. . Why? i said to myself,can we not do the same with Big Stuff MACRO . like Human size. I did the maths and it came out at 40,000 hz with a peak to peak amplitude of approx 4 inches ( 10 cm or 100mm) . I laughed myself into a drain. It made Elvis Presley's " I'm All shook up" look like a ride in the park. . However I did start the patent root to the bewilderment of my patent agent.. Although the Giroscope root was/is a way of getting oscillatory energy into matter , the energy is trapped inside the rotating , dare I say it 'spinning' mass. If you have ever tried to pick up a large spinning gyroscope you can clearly feel the difference in System contents ( between a spinning and non spinning gyroscope). How to get the energy out of this inertial system . It was clearly put in . How to get the energy out to change to a higher orbit. Enter the Tuning Fork : Remember the sums we are. talking 40,000 Hz peak to peak top of each prong 4 inches (10 cm - 100mm ). Man , that would have been one mean Tuning fork . . . ~ This is where a model comes in handy ~

Is this not a bit of a rash statement ! Surely there are areas of science , where in the early investigative stage of Research into a scientific subject that using Prediction versus Non prediction test ( yes No ) might cause " the baby to be thrown out with the bath water ". Also . What if the area of Science under investigation was particularly UN predictable , by its very nature. Would that make it an area of Scientific Investigation , not worth following ! Say the Monolith in 2001 a Space Odessy ? ( By Arthur C Clark ) We might yet come upon a Monolith. ( May be we already have, in Dark Matter ) Will we run away from this Saying " This is not a Science investigation " we can have No Predictions ! " May be the thing in question , Just is Non Predictable . . So What ! IS SCIENCE going to limit its investigative sphere to JUST PREDICTION . Maybe we will miss many proverbial tricks. ! Why are all you scientists SO interested in this SPECULATIONS Forum ? Surely it belies the genuine interest that many scientists have in the unknown and possibly for some time the UNPREDICTABLE. But , let us not walk away from the MONOLITHS ! . . What the dickins is That ! Where did that come from ? Who put that there ? . .~ So its a Story . Life is one whole big Story Let's read the Book ~ .~

So is the crust illustrated ................. named OLD Ocean Crust the Continental Crust, as it appears to lay under the land there. Or will there be a different Continental crust further into Asia. I am a bit Mixed up ,in my head with What lays under continents like Europe and what lays under the area of illustrated.? Mike

Another way to get hold of few electrons is to blow up a balloon, rub it in one direction on a friends woolly jumper. It should have pulled off a few electrons. they will linger on the surface of the balloon. Now move it toward a plaster ceiling gently. As you approach the electrons in the balloon should chase away any loose electrons in the plaster roofing to deeper into the roof. Now the roof in the area will appear to have a positive charge ( a lot of electrons migrated in deep) .POSITIVE attracts NEGATIVE ( nobody will tell us exactly why, but they do ) The balloon sticks to the ceiling . For a while till everybody ( electrons get bored and migrate back). Then the balloon falls off the ceiling. If you know all this stuff. Sorry. Next I will tell you how to make a Hydrogen Bomb. Joking ! Mike Ps Another way if you do not have greasy hair, (otherwise you are sunk ) . Comb your hair frantically, lower it NEAR not touch a very very small piece of paper say 2mm x 3mm. It should jump about 10mm -15mm . You work out what has happened to the electrons .( or if we have it the wrong way round the positive HOLES , Work out what they are !

Under The illustration above it says .This new crust that is forming, :- Is this " new crust" that's building up , counted as Continental crust or Oceanic crust. ? As I thought Continental Crust was less dense than Oceanic Crust and that the mineral make up of continental crust was different to Ocean crust. ( More Iron content ?) And that was why Continental crust floated (as it were on top ) and Oceanic crust was more dense so sub-ducted (and sunk as it were ) , under the continental crust. I might have this wrong Marc , Could you clarify. Thanks. Mike

Yes . Well I do want to follow this line in far more depth, because I really think that the electron to photon transition is a very interesting and important region.

Swansont's going to go mad at me, My posts are all getting full up with Dogs Ducks, flowers and Tomatoes, not to mention Canals. I'm off to bed.

Yes like " Strange attractors " . i have read a book on Chaos Theory , Fractals and Complexity. I think you are right though. even in apparent Chaos there are movements towards certain things. However , I am going to have to take this up another time or i will have a Divorce on my hands . Mike

Have You just Got up . I am going to Bed its 2 am here

Trouble is I am getting older , and a bit weary ! Mike

Marc I Do not know if you have seen it yet. A big eruption in philipines Mayon Volcano 212 miles S.E of Manilla . Blew out ROCKS the SIZE OF CARS Spewing ,and throwing rocks towards 30 climbers 5 Killed others injured Attached picture from Paper. Does your theory relate to this area. mike

Here is a Go to simplify the Diagram And its context. There appears to be the presence of GAPS, composed of ,PROBABILITY occurring over and over in the nature of things , and we ought to be looking at a different approach to arriving at solutions in these instants ( the genetic algorithm route for example) or the cosmos being a gigantic mold that everything is working its way into, rather than by strict predictable mathematical paths. The following is just a symbolic representation of one small (3) sequence of three types of events.one following the other 1 Strictly Predictable 2 only probability based 3 predictable Left Hand Side ( PREDICTABLE ) Center ( UNPREDICTABLE ) Right Hand Side ( Predictable ) When you have a few of these in series , it is like a stick pushing a stick pushing a stick pushing a stick. It becomes a Total Non Predictable solution, only Statistical , If that.is the case, then In some cases, perhaps with new future discoveries, it might be better, looking at the final mold and developing a different approach as to what gets into the various parts of the ' total cosmic mold.' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ An example of the differing types is attached here to illustrate the two types of thread sections combined. This Diagram is of no particular activity , but purely a line flow diagram of the two sorts 1 ) Formulated / Predictable Red-Mauve 2)Random/Probability based Blue-green and how they might/ and do sometimes work :- If you follow the mauve up. It takes half a dozen very precise and determined moves to get quickly to the Goal/Mold You notice the blues, fire off many times in all sorts of directions. Hopelessly missing in all sorts of directions. Only one makes it to the Goal /mold ( the Green ) Blue and green a bit similar , you might have to look a bit carefully . Whereas the Red Mauve has One Very determined sequence path to the goal./mold. Without making heavy weather of this particular diagram , as it was not designed around anything in particular. It could ( for the Red line ) however be representative of an automated car garage door opening mechanism. A) Car interrupts Infra Red beam ,B) Transistor switches on , C) Relay gets power Motor to open D) garage doors winds open. E ) STOP Goal achieved Garage door is open . Driver can enter Garage. . Highly deterministic. For the green /blue it could be representing pollen in a flower going in many directions. [ wind, rain, bees that fly off never to return, gardeners poking around . Only one piece of pollen makes it to another similar plant ( say Tomatoes ) and Bingo the Goal/mold is reached Tomato plant is pollinated/germinated , Tomato grows and we have a TOMATO. Very Probability based. This paticular insect crawled to that particular flower [The Green Line Only } However, It has to be said, in twenty years the garage door mechanism will have failed, something in that very rigid predictable sequence will have failed. The system is very vulnerable. Tomatoes on the other hand will be being pollinated over the next hundred years or more without interruption, by the sheer mass of numbers of insects and Plants. So there is a place for both in the grand operation of the universe. Edited by Mike Smith Cosmos, Today, 12:45 AM.

The following Thread and illustration ,I would like to put forward as a region where one of the myriad of threads cross the Micro-Macro boundary. The boundary can be examined from either direction so as to possibly see models of behavior corresponding in some cases Either side of the boundary due to the link thread between MICRO and MACRO . Its Joules in the Big Bang, Its joules in the Sun Its joules in the Atom , Its juoles in the Absorbed sun light. its Joules in the burned tree logs , its joules in the steam, its joules in the steam engine, Its joules as it Mechanically lifts the Hoist. You cannot go any more micro to Macro than that. Energy is throughout the thread all be it changing state. . ENERGY MAKES THINGS HAPPEN A Simple Model If we examine the boundary ( which we need to in great detail,.Later ) For this is the boundary surely between micro and macro where we can have an interesting Change of State ( Electron to Photon ) If we examine the thread generally at any point we are likely to see the following ( symbolically represented ) We can notice staggered or alternating parts of the thread , working with tight deterministic, predictable parts , followed by highly probability based parts of the thread, again followed by formulated , parts. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ An example of the differing types is attached here to illustrate the two types of thread sections combined. This Diagram is of no particular activity , but purely a line flow diagram of the two sorts 1 ) Formulated / Predictable Red-Mauve 2)Random/Probability based Blue-green and how they might/ and do sometimes work :- You notice the blues, fire off in all sorts of directions. Only one makes it to the Goal /mold ( the Green ) Without making heavy weather of this particular diagram , as it was not designed around anything in particular. It could ( for the Red line ) however be representative of an automated car garage door opening mechanism. Car interrupts Infra Red beam , Transistor switches on , Relay gets power Motor to open garage doors winds open. STOP Goal achieved. Highly deterministic. For the green /blue it could be representing pollen in a flower going in many directions. Only one piece of pollen makes it to another similar pland ( say Tomatoes ) and Bingo the Goal/mold is reached Tomato plant is pollinated, Tomato grows and we have a TOMATO. Very Probability based. This paticular insect crawled to that particular flower

O.K. Well I am going into this whole idea very soon.

In looking at the two methods of reaching the goal.Mold. They have different requirements. The predictive/calculation route requires high precision or the path could soon go off target ( goal/mold) . This of course is how some of the atomic principles work. ( result by accuracy). Contrary to this the probability routes rely on firing off in many different directions, and sooner or later the goal is certain to be reached by one of the shots. achievement by the "shot gun" approach , as opposed to a well aimed single bullet. The two different methods suit different environments, and perhaps on some occasions work together to provide 'belt and braces' approaches.

Are you Split in the middle of Infinity ' s ? You have Backed me into a Corner . You want me to choose my existence to be Based on one of Three things . 1 You and the Universe...and Multiverse exist because you HAVE TO. . 2. generates such questions of a Creator . 3. Math, Science or Logic You want me to hedge my bets on which of these 3 is the best bet ? Well if I pick 1 If you are Right I will exist for ever . Great Got that . Secure. If you are Wrong , I have an Angry Creator , as I did not choose him, I have a bunch of Scientists out to bury me in maths. 2. The Creator will be happy with me , so I live for now and for ever . If he is not there. I still have your option to be there for ever anyway. I Just need to avoid the Mathematicians , who will try to bury me in maths for ever. ( Maybe they don't live for ever anyway because they do not believe in number two. , so I am all right. 3. Its ALL MATHS LOGIC and Science ONLY. God help us if that's all we have for EVER. What about Art, Poetry, Green fields, Blue Sky, Pretty things. Beautiful smells. Number ONE is OK Provided you are 100 % Right. If you are Wrong I have an Angry God or a Bunch of Angry Mathematicians Number THREE is definitely out , it sounds like a Spiral of Black Decay. Number TWO , Sounds the best bet. If its right I get my Brownie points . I Live in Bliss forever. but if its wrong , like there is no God. I have number one as a fall back on and live for ever anyway . If That's wrong and number 3 is all there is , a lot of Maths, logic .........Science ok. There is always the Canal . Come back as a duck, then I have the Dog to contend with ! You can not Win !

GREAT ! Just picking on 7 In the 1980's I read a large tome by Cambridge University Press called " The New Physics. " I might still have it between here and Italy. If you wanted a look. Mind you , you might need to come over to Italy ! . It was all about string theory development as an idea. It featured TOPOLOGY as the base root to the strings. A quasi spherical minute surface with specified features that dictated the string particle. Is this your take too. Strings. ? Or is it just the Topology of a quasi spherical surface that you are featuring.? ( shhhh Going out D & D . don't mention the war ! )

You are not very far off the mark, if not spot on . I just need a little time . I will not say why but it begins with D and another D Mike

Well yes. I believe I have Found Them , at least some of them. And yes this is science, so it behooves me , as indeed you . say. It comes time to experimentally confirm. what has indeed been modeled : - Behold :- . Watch This Space , JUST NEED TO WALK THE DOG a Moment We have a couple of Ducks to SPOOK !

I am not convinced that there are not humendous lots of fundamental threads emanating from the beginning , right through to today ( or yesterday with my dogs and ducks included) , that link back from MACRO to MICRO and even on downwards to Whatever is down there at the infinite Small. ( Small Time and Space ) Mike

This is the Quote from Wikipidia Interpreting this The Chunk of Energy or quanta is not h ( Planks constant , but h multiplied by frequency f ( here they use v for frequency ) ( so many oscillations per Second ) Thus the chunk of Energy Quanta) is hxf . [ Formula E = h x f joules ] { h units joules -seconds f units ocsillations per seconds hertz seconds cancel left with joules of energy } ( a match flame is about 2000-4000 joules ) link http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck%27s_constant .. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ . YELLOW/ ORANGE LIGHT The Energy gap ( between two energy bands say in a sodium atom ) is set , fixed , all ways the same. In the Sun , in a sodium street light , in Salt . Always the same energy gap . So , when you cause the electron to Jump , or more often to return from a higher to a lower energy band (like my picture) . Use the formula E is Fixed (band gap) h is certainly fixed at h = 6.62606957(29)×10−34 j-s thus frequency F =E/h = set value = Yellow/orange light (set , fixed) --------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- That's why Sodium street lights are yellow/orange. That's why when you throw salt ( Sodium Chloride NaCl ) into a fire or flame it goes Yellow/orange . and Yellow/orange can be seen in Sunlight . ( last one is a bit more difficult ) Sunlight seen through a special spectroscope will see yellow/black sodium absorpbsion lines . I I . IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII . I I . 2 absorbption lines ( light being re absorbed in Suns' part sodium atmosphere ) . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ mike oops ! mike !

Maxwell showed that by combining the formula for electric fields and magnetic fields a combined self propagating Electro-Magnetic field would be produced (E fields being at right angles to the M fields ) which would move at 300,000,000 meters per second . Light , had already been proved to travel at 300,000,000 meters per second . So he therefore said " Light must therefore be an Electro-Magnetic Wave. " Max Planc (from Black Body radiation) and Einstein ( from the photo electric effect ) worked out that as Radiation came from atoms , particularly the electrons , in set sized Energy Chunks they named " Quanta" and " Photons " . Thus if we/they put the two together " A Photon is a very Precise piece of Electro -Magnetic Radiation ( which can be light, or radio waves, ) of a set , quantum sized chunk of Energy . ( there is a formula for this linking Energy E , Planks constant h and Frequency of the E-M wave f ) So when an electron jumps or is pushed in to or out of energy bands a set amount of energy is involved. Planks constant is a fixed figure/constant. So the frequency is SET by the formula. ( look it up on wikipedia under Plank or ask and I will give it to you, if you need it. So really its all linked together. Is that enough or would you like a bit more of an explanation. I'll let Swansont talk about superposition , that's his day job OOPs ! He Already has. .He has overtaken my typing . Oh well you have a couple of perspectives !