Mike Smith Cosmos

This Picture, not intended to be absolutely correct , is however one I produced to deal with the very moment of Electron Jump you ask about. If you are anything like me , you need some form of image to hang ideas on . Some of the Mathematicians are able to contain the idea with just maths . Not me ! I must have an Image to hang more information on . Bit like a Spider Diagram or mind map. Hope this may be of some use in your visualisation. Mike The idea being , that the electron in the higher energy band ( mauve One ) attempts to fall to the lower energy band (red ) , but in so doing , has to shed a quantum of energy ( difference in Energy ,between the two bands or orbitals ) it does so by producing / or changing nature into a PHOTON of Radiation ( light , Electro Magnetic wave of some sort ) That is illustrated not to be taken too literally by the small and larger star haring off into the distance at vast light speed. ( exit left )

I think I can go with most of that. At least for the time being. As long as you do not take me kicking and screaming into one of your " another Universal Grouping " just at the moment. I must admit I have thought about this Probability business quite a bit and reasoned from one angle that :- You as an observer need time for the possibilities to churn on until its 1 in a hundred times say comes around. Like tossing a coin 100 times , takes time . ( and count 50 times approx ) But IF you were not an observer, say not bound by time . Then 'what ever you were (not an observer though say a chunk of metal ) all you would have would be a dilution of 'whatever' by 1/100 . So if we are talking about something happening to an atom say ( in a hundred atoms it would have only happened in one atom , all be it instantly ) because you as an observer would not need to wait (time) for 100 times , as You as an observer would not be there. The atoms would be there instantly . But only one out of the hundred would have a change. Or at least in that Ratio. Its interesting though, By removing us as observers , here we seem to have removed TIME . Is that something that we are free to do ? Is the metal bound by time , if so is it our time or some other time , or no time ?

I must re introduce my illustration ( only a symbolic example) of a single sequential slice of the upward chain or thread from the very small [ atomic] right up to the very large [ Galactic /Galactic super clusters.]. Some aspects in the upward chain are {A} totally predictive, causal , calculable and mathematically capable of analysis. Other aspects are {B} possiblities, probabalistic, non calculable other than by statistical methods. Non predictable from an individual point of view, not easily understood from a mathematical route ,but lending themselves to model style understanding. Also from an achievement point of view much, much more able to achieve a goal than a formula style of achievement. The Above diagram illustrates [from left to right] Firstly an {A} Predictive , causal Stage Secondly a {B} Probabalistic Stage Thirdly another {A} Predictive ,causal Stage. The impact of this hypothesis is that IF true. Then analysis or understanding of the Cosmos must be sought by HYBRID Threads or chains ..

Now I believe this is a critical issue in this whole Exploration of ideas on how the Universe/s works .. Probabilities and possibilities. Without these being present in the workings of the cosmos, I feel the whole thing would be impossible to move, and would lock up and fracture like breaking glass. I think I can point to countless areas of rigid cause and effect . equally I think I can point to countless areas of Probability

Robin I am not ignoring you, please do not think that. I have had a crazy weekend with two dogs. My mind has been addled with unwinding extendable leads about once every two seconds. Trying to get my head around electron spin this weekend will take me over the brink. As you no doubt realise I am very interested in the core drivers of the cosmos, and I definitely think one of the fundamental ones is down there in the two angular momentum ( spins ) associated with atomic particles. So this subject is not going to go away easily. I also think just saying " there's the maths just get on with it " is not sufficient. So I am very interested in discussing or exploring models to do with spin. Although I have looked at a couple of your Video clips , I have not yet grasped YOUR core idea. Probably the dreaded Dogs. If you have Six sentences ( I can Probably take 6 in ok. ) How would you describe your model, how the electrons are acting , in principle ? mike

I think Spin as an angular momentum orbital and integral spin should be kept center stage or this very fundamental principal of the nature of particles , particularly the electron will be lost in fragmentation. Spin per Wikipedia http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum Electron Spin Quantum Mechanics

I think the "one" you agreed on, was :- that despite all the possibilities, whether in this universe or any possibilities that 'Split' talks about in multiverse space ( where ever or whatever that might possibly be. ), you seemed to agree, that ONLY ONE REALITY comes into being at TIME NOW. . And that all the other possibilities stacked up for that moment that did not become reality for that now, are NOT REAL and enter past or history as a mere 'fading , discarded possibility. That is how I see it, Is that the " I'm with you on that one mike." POPCORN ? So IF , Time appears absolute in some way EVEN IF MY NOW TIME IS A QUARTER TO TWO others WILL occur right NOW but be some form of relative time So at a quarter to two ( as per my clock ) everybody , all over different parts of the universe should be looking looking at their clocks NOW at my quarter to two, EVEN though their clocks might well read 12 oclock or five past 8 depending where they are. HOWEVER across the entire COSMOS it is Right NOW ?

Yes I do accept most of what you are saying about where the radiation . then apprx 6000 k now approx 3 k came from , but I am sure I have heard it stated as being the direct result ( snap shot Image )[ imprint] {image} of the quantum fluctuations of the original " whoosh " . No ? By the way , as of today the experiment has moved on a pace to TWO DOGS attracted to TWO DUCKS and ONE NEW Dog , taking the issue a bit too serious ! The point being , with the extra dog. Getting two dogs to be at the same place at the same time as two ducks were present to be either attractive to the two dogs or repelled by two ducks both squaking at the same time as I had the camera ready was pushing the probability up stakes. Very similar to the problem of getting THREE not TWO helium to be ready to fuse for carbon production in a star. Of Sorts !

I thought Mr Smoot discoverer by COBI experiment said that the recombination event was " an Echo of the Big Bang"

As I understand it . The changing temperature image ( of 300,000 years) is the quantum fluctuations of the original concentrated "thing" whatever that was. A primevil Atom, a hyperdense condensed matter, that was then inflated. But maybe I have it wrong.

And yet the CMB ( Cosmic Microwave Background ) radiation that was at a Quantum Level ( Micro ) is now up at Astronomical Level surely Macro Level . Has not the footprint been taken across the micro-Macro boundary such that we can read both ways .

I would like to further progress the development of the spin model Before I do that , I would like to explain a little of the setting and purpose behind the tuning fork experiment, as the paired electron model was not the initial purpose of the tuning fork experiment. The electron pair model was an offshoot of the experiment. [ you never know what you will find until you look over the edge. ]

I am not quite sure, what you are suggesting, I am inferring about past scientists. I am not an arrogant man , so whatever you think I am inferring is probably not what I meant. Today I have returned to the canal with the same dog and different ducks. Again the dog was attracted to the ducks ( different ducks ) but again the ducks squawk and repell the dog. There was a probabilistic aspect to our chance dog to duck meeting yet none the less the behaviour is predictable as a macro system . The ducks are floating on 50 quad trillion of trillion atoms of water h2o totally held together by attraction and repulsion all predictable yet in a micro system. The oxygen atoms were derived from hydrogen helium synthesis , which discussed elsewhere was based on probabilistic various chance combinations,ultimately of four helium nuclei . We reached bedrock some time ago when I was probing with your good self the ATTRACTION REPULSION phenomenon at Micro level. Surely it becomes obvious to me as a simple thinking individual that there are Threads so deep rooted in the structure of the universe, all be it that you seem to take exception to Dogs and Ducks as examples, that :- : There are phenomenon that cross across the MACRO MICRO boundary. As we go up the scale from Dogs and Ducks we can look at the complex nervous systems present in these animals which make present i pads ear pads nose pads look utterly draconian in complexity by comparison. And as we move across whole eco systems , individual dogs and ducks , seem like the significance of atoms in the greater scheme of things.

Yes I do accept all that. but I am not stating both realms are the same in their behavior. What I am saying that it is no shock that something like Attraction and repulsion are so deep rooted , it is no shock that it surfaces a lot in both regions. That must Say something . SO equally the idea of pairs of ( whatever ) working with or in balance, in opposition, in vibration, or countless other ways , MAY BE , COULD BE so fundamental in the universe (at large or small) and its operation that what happens at the macro COULD give us some insight to the Micro. Such an insight is dearly needed., particularly with spin. ( Which appears to have gone Spinning Off )

In Response to Swansont previous Comment , about microscopic and macro scale differences Enter the flower and the Dragon Fly as well as The dog and the Duck The Dragon fly is attracted to the flower. The Dragon fly could be repelled from getting the nectar The Dog is attracted to the Duck The duck repels the Dog by quacking and spitting Surely you can not tell me this is not a thread coming right up through the eons of time and magnification from sub atomic time and scale to the phenomenon that I witnessed and recorded Yesterday . Countless examples can be observed and brought up as evidence of this profound fundamental thread. ATTRACTION and REPULSION

I give in. You are right of course. Everything is everything even if puny me does not know what everything is. , or what is correctly everything. If I am right with this lingual theory , then of course the principles of the theory will do their own thing in their own place ,in their own way , with or without my or anybody else's understanding of it. So if there is any blinking Multiverse it must be within that theory I keep going on about ( A lingual Theory of Everything ). Humbug ! ( That is of course IF both Multiverse And The Lingual Theory of Everything ARE TRUE ) But if the Multiverse is not True , that does not pull down The Lingual Theory of Everything. ###### ######################## ###################### ############ ############ At the point of the beginning of the now Universe. There must according to the lingual theory theory of everything have been :- An Initiative for something to happen. " if there is some form of initiative for it to occur. " Clause 1 is mainly (not always ) a special case for " before the beginning of the Universe " Accepting, as most scientists and religious people , alike at last agree " There most almost certainly was a before the Big Bang " There is currently quite a debate both in scientific circles and religious circles about this. Leaving that aside , just for the moment, whether there were SUPER ENGINEERS before our Universe, Whether there was a CREATOR before our Universe, whether there was a previous MOTHER UNIVERSE from which we were born. Let's put that one on hold ,just for the moment , before passions rise. And consider Clause 2 2. " Anything or everything can occur, if there is no reason for it not to occur, if there is some form of initiative for it to occur. " Well if this is true, then we are talking about a VOID of NOTHINGNESS and ( there is no reason for it not to occur,) What to Occur ( some form of initiative ) We will come back to Was it SUPER ENGINEERS , CREATOR, or MOTHER UNIVERSE It sounds like the initiative was " Inflation followed by Big Bang " Was there anything ( force or Material ) or reason why it should Not Occur No! There were no forces, or matter , that was yet to come. So AN INITIATIVE and the absolute lack of resistance. Z|zzzz.....IIIIIIIII..........TTTTTTTT ! to the furthest reaches of beyond inflation lay the basis or fabric on which the universe that we know today could BIG BANG within. From here on in there would be ever increasing ( reason for it not to occur )..The universe was filling with Forces & Matter . From now on mostly Clause 3 would come into use by :- 3. " If there are reasons for anything not to occur , left to their own devices, the path of least energy and /or resistance will be followed. " And so the Universe is Governed quite strongly by the laws of physics and probability as they put conditions and restraints on things happening. So this lingual theory can start the inroads into cosmic activity. Further reasoning can liberate further inroads.

I thought you were a Rock and Roll star. How come you know so much Physics ?

Do you live next door to me or something split,

Unless of course, you believe that principles present, and laid down in the very early cosmos, get reflected on and built on , and show up through the whole thing. Say like symmetry or opposites or balanced systems or whatever works in paired systems ? There is too much of [ + - ] [matter antimatter ] [ left handed righthanded ] [male female ] [ right brain left brain ] [ up down ] etc etc for it not to be fairly fundamental to the universe .I think to separate the microscopic from the macro too much , might be ' missing a trick' . However as you will see I went on to build models more reflective of actual atom structure.

What you are saying , surely , is that the universe is 'ticking along like the clock in a CPU in a computer. and that human consciousness has nothing to do with that clock ? May Be. But if you remove consciousness totally out of the picture in the Universe , then you could ask ... whats the point of everything else ? No Consciousness anywhere in the Universe . Then whats the Universe for : just being there ? Whats the point of having a computer, if YOU or no consciousness ever look at it , or use it to calculate or print out. If there was no consciousness to give it a task, or program or read the screen . What is the use of the computer? It might as well never exist. !

Why do I always feel like I have been hit over the head with a large wooden mallet , when you speak about alternative realities ? Mike

I believe we will feel it when we 'stumble on it ' as you say , because we are ' of the universe ' so I would have thought there would have been a certain ' Resonance' when we get near to that 'truth' you speak about. I know it sounds a bit fanciful but some times some things just want to be. They sound right, they feel right.

swansont, on 25 Apr 2013 - 23:32, said: Yes. Well I have devised several types of trajectories. I have built some experiments to demonstrate the principles of the proposed phenomenon, I have done some of the maths And as I mentioned a few posts ago , that I would try to put it together. Which I will, provided I do not get run over by a bus, or end up in concrete wellington boots.. First Experiment:- The purpose of this experiment conducted in 1970's and put to patent agent was devised to see if it were possible to arrange, and see if , centrifugal force could be ' rectified' [ as in the case of a.c. voltage waves being rectified to produce unsmoothed d.c. voltage wave. At the time this was discussed with Professor Laithwait of Imperial College London . Laithwait himself was working on linear induction motors since used for magnetic elevated railway systems. His activity with Gyroscopes and Centrifugal force attracted criticism . He has since Died. From the above ONE of the aspects that came out of the experiment :- 1, The tuning fork converged ALWAYS to a balanced anti phase condition of self stimulating oscillation. Namely the only way the system would behave in a non tethered state was as one arm of the tuning fork moved say to the left ...the other arm would move to the right. exactly in anti phase. I now view this as a model for two electrons in an inner orbit or energy band having opposite spin . As the natural , only way that the dual system can exist. as per the arms of the non tethered tuning fork. In fact any of the pairs of electrons in higher energy bands. Not in a tuning fork configuration , but in the way that vibrating/oscillating systems when coupled ' like ' to work in opposite pairs. This was not the only result that came from this model.