Mike Smith Cosmos

The rubber sheet 'Model ' Not a model that I have introduced , as I find it difficult to get my head around the way that the distant object adjust to the rubber sheet , although as many coin collection funnels seem to work , then I get the point. Nonetheless this model gets given press quite a lot . It does illustrate, none the less two aspects that I have been recently arguing . 1. The rubber sheet has all the indication of some form of MEDIUM , linking the cause of the particular central gravity creating distortion . 2. That the central cause of the distortion FIRST effects its immediate NEIGHBOURING , central part of the rubber sheet . Dipping the deepest. Followed by successive ' neighbours of rubber ', right out to the furthest edge of the rubber sheet , say the far flung orbit of a planet or galaxy, where it finally arrives as an effect of much reduced magnitude ! ( each neighbouring section of rubber transferring the effect to the far from centre points . ) In this case any 'In pulling ' gravitational effect , being counterbalanced by any 'out pulling ' centrifugal effect . Mike

.I am not sure I fully understand what you are saying . Although I think you are implying each object sends out its own gravitational attraction across the universe ? Whereas I am suggesting the effect is transmitted via everything else , (starting with all the neighbouring ' stuff' , whatever that ' everything else stuff ' is ? ) ? Among other things , I could refer to Richard Feynman, when Lecturing in his famous question and answer sessions . In describing how metronomes came to synchronise ? Said it is like a shoal of fish , fish do NOT communicate each fish ACROSS THE WHOLE SHOAL, but rather each fish identifies and follows its NEIGHBOURING fish and responds to its NEIGHBOUR. The effect being , it looks from the outside like some fantastic orchestra dancing to an amazing ensemble , whereas in reality it is built up of the entire cockophony of neighbouring responses! How's that for an answer ? My model is , that although to us looking through our eyes , the universe looks empty ! But rather than empty the universe is full of ' stuff ' whatever that ' stuff is ' . ( fields, particles, virtual particles , whatever) And it is the interaction of all this ' stuff ' is , the effects we ultimately observe . And it is the understanding of all of these interactions , starting with our near neighbours , is what will lead to the understanding of the nature of the how's and why's of the workings of the universe! I think ? .... ( Heck ! I pulled all the stops , for that one ! ) Mike

. .. .If we look at the references by " studio" one concerning force interaction , the other about light interaction . Both quotes state precisely what I have alluded to , namely they start and continue their interaction , whether that be just a ' one off ' or if a flight across the universe , with a NEAR NEIGHBOR INTERACTION , which is repeated if necessary . One might be able to assume that the same ' knock on effect ' applies to gravity , similarly , although less seems to be known about gravity. It would be folly to think that a single interaction goes no further than the first interaction with the immediate neighbour , otherwise it would be a minutely sized universe. However it does call on the necessity for space time having as a field property ( if that is what it has ) , to accept the propagation of ALL the interaction systems that apply to particles , waves, and forces . I cannot see that possible with ' space time ' being absolutely nothing ' . But I do understand that is the current , majority , vote , by a lot of scientists . I think the jury is still out on that particular verdict . However , if you are prepared to tolerate fields as the vehicle for interaction, that is fine , provided they are not just scalar numbers only , but relate to ' something tangible' , even though at this juncture the 'something tangible ' may not be fully understood . As regards hypothesis , experiment , and test . As I said , whilst in teaching , I proposed energy transfer by ONE, TWO, and THREE dimensions , while trying to model the atom ( electron proton mix ) . This involved an energy controlled source of one dimensional oscillation . This was fed into a single wire . Dimension one uni directional ( in out ) at a low frequency 50 -3000hz . In the first instance the oscillations remained ( in out ) possibly classed as one dimension . By upping the energy the single wire broke ( interacted ) so as to oscillate in two dimensions , namely a sine wave in the air ( in and out , up and down ) . Only when the energy was raised much more , did the wire break into a third dimension . This time the wire was seen to oscillate in a complex three dimensional pattern . So my proposition is/ was , nature has an intrinsic rule to only use a low number of dimensions with low energy requirements , and only move to higher dimensions like ( 2 and 3 ) , when the energy interaction requirements are much larger . I went on to model an atom and similar things ( though not as easily ) happened. So I am proposing that ' may be ' some of these spooky action at a distance phenomenon may just use these smaller dimensions ( one and two ) . Clearly it is the third dimension is what gives SUBSTANCE .but one and two dimensions can give information. Without the substance ( spooky ) . However returning to interaction with neighbours , surely a neighbour can refer to an electro magnetic single oscillation interacting so as to cause the transmission of the next EM oscillation . Quite what happens with GRAVITY affecting a neighbouring planet , or a neighbouring galaxy like andromeda, or a neighbouring supercluster , I am not too sure how gravity works across such distances . I have proposed it is still near, or next door neighbour , to next door neighbour is the way it works . In other words :- This chunk of rock, this planet , this solar system, this galaxy ,..this supercluster . so distorts the fabric of space time locally , or next door neighbour style , ..... And this distortion travels across the fabric field of space time ... And appears at some distant supercluster and gives it a distortion ( travelling at the speed of light. To get there ) . Of course this does require that ' space time ' is not nothing , but a bit special . But I am sure that will come out in the , 'WASH' , shortly, anyway ? Mike

The hypothesis is . There are no mediums present , according to present , scientists understanding ! If that is trulely the case , then there can be no communication from all sorts of matter , distributed throughout space time , as no one seems to come up with any evidence that there is any content of any medium so far explored. Thus the only avenue for communication across this void must be by contact or travel . This does therefor limit communication to a relay mechanism , on the one hand . Namely neighbor to neighbour communication or interaction . Or in the case of matter particles on the move , then physical movement across space time would be the other alternative for information and matter itself moving across three dimensional Spacetime . The hypothesis is raised that in some circumstances it may be possible, we limit the dimensions to two or one. Then other options arise. We are used to existing in three dimensional space time . A case can be made and has been explored for some communication existing in two dimensions . As explained previously I have taken part in such experimentation . This utilises a mechanical transducer and a model . Mike

.If we were to consider either ( atoms ) or particles ( electrons , protons ,Neutrons ) as operating in 2 dimensions only , as opposed to 3 dimentions . Then the particles and activities toward those particles , could be interacted WITH , without a spooky action . See the following illustration . I am touching by light , a tree base ( apparently ) From a large distance . This is achieved by the light ( sunlight ) coming in along a two Dimentional surface ( field ) showing my arm and hand reaching out and touching the distant tree. While I remained distant on the two dimensional surface ! ( spooked ) . Now, working in 2 dimensions rather than three , ? At least for the atom . Me , I was in three Dimensions, remaining at my location , yet influencing/ interaction , instantaneously , spookily at a distance , on the two Dimentional surface . Although this might sound extra ordinary , at first pass. However , I have observed that nature tends to take the efficient route toward activity. So for example , if energy is to be maintained by some form of sinusoidal or oscillatory motion , it will choose to work in the minimal of dimensions " if it can hold the energy in ' ONE DIMENSION' As further energy is required to be held , nature will break into a second dimension! Also , following this further , if more energy is required to be held in this type of sinusoidal , oscillatory motion , a THIRD DIMENSION , is entered . I have experimented with this phenomenon and proved this sequence of ONE , TWO, and THREE DIMENSIONS. The minimum dimension is 'naturally ' first , then second , then third. I would suggest the particles , atoms , follows this sequence . ONE , TWO , and THREE dimensions! Mike

The early 1900's saw a group of scientists touch the atom. By isolating the properties of both the electrons and the protons in their dance about each other , they started to get a taste of both classical and quantum physics . Scientists like Rutherford , Bohr, Born, de Broglie, Heisenberg, Pauli, Plank ,Dirac , Einstein. They all contributed to this investigation of the neighbouring, interacting particles of the Atom . It is close in, neighbouring constituents of the Atom , that many of the strange characteristics of atomic behaviour and hence the nature and behaviour of the Universe started to be fathomed and in some ways , understood . So rather than some " spooky action at a distance , " , being responsible for what is happening in some ' far flung field' . How the universe works and why it works the way it does ? , is thus to be found in the close , interactions with the near ' neighbours ' . At the atomic scale ? Thus the precision, detail and accuracy is spawned, right here ! At the site of neighbouring interactions ! This is not unlike the workings of today's society, throughout the world . The nature and activity in the human condition about the world at large , is formulated and initiated in the human mind . Which is a sobering thought , is it not ? Mike P.s. You might say " but he is stating the obvious " . That's fine ! One of my ' reason detre ', is amongst other things ' to restate the blindingly obvious ' !

. The maths which best explains the movement to the " Neighbour " is that of Light , or electromagnetic waves , given by James Clark Maxwell . Below , can be seen the light wave as a sine wave ( three dimensional ) moving by self replication . The maths can be seen in this reference :- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_equations Clearly Maxwell, built , on the work of other mathematicians and scientists, who had gone before . So as to sythesize many principles and equations applicable to amongst other things " electricity and magnetism" However he used his mathmatical brain to bring all these things together and originate some of the most staggering principles of ' Light and the whole electro-magnetic spectrum ' Note the significant wave , is that at the origin ( x,y,z ) . Whatever happens at the origin , is self replicated . This neighbour then effectively moves away , into space , at the speed of light . Note it is the effect that moves away ! Mike Ref to James Clark Maxwell as a person : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clerk_Maxwell

..Yes it is true many of the investigative scientists work on things , right at their ' fingertips ' for example , Marie Curie , handled something called " pitchblende " which included Uranium , and other radio active elements . In this case touching and being exposed to the radiation was perhaps not such a good idea. She did get a couple of Nobel Prizes for her descoveries with radio activity. You say that light is coming in , ( your ps2 ) was from a distance . This is true , but I suspect the interaction did not occur until the arrival of the photon of energy reached its arrival destination . I would suggest right up to that ' last moment interaction' , NO knowledge , NO effect was resistered with the destination , before the moment of interaction ( that is it appeared as an immediate neighbour) . Similarly when a photon of light is emitted , say from an atom , it has no idea of the final destination or journey , just a direction and an immediate neighbour of interaction . As far as IT knows , the story or knowledge of a very long journey END RIGHT THERE , AT THE NEIGHBOUR. surely ? If the Neighbour , for all sorts of reasons ( excess energy, momentum , charge , direction ,) continues to pass this on , the process in isolation ' may ' repeat the process , surely ?( with its neighbour , if there is one ) . With the case with electro magnetic waves James Clark Maxwell , sort of suggests the neighbour changes from being an electro field collapsing to being a magnetic field , which in turn collapses , to being an electric field , on and on . Here neighbours seem to change type , as their form of ' interaction ' ? A pretty effective interaction , one has to say ! Mike

I have been , and still am , reading about the thrust by the 10 great scientists of history , in their endeavour to understand " How and why the universe works ,the way it does " ? These are :- Isaac Newton, Niels Bhor, Galileo Galilei, Albert Einstein, James Clerk Maxwell, Michael Faraday, Marie Curie, Richard Feynman, Ernest Rutherford, Paul Dirac. Of course there are other scientists of note, but these lay the structural basis for our current understanding of how and why the universe works the way it does . Although not individually stated one thing becomes clear most of them worked from the idea that it was the immediate neighbouring item that caused the interaction to be what it was . So rather than some far , distant influenence was causing some effect , it was in fact the immediate , next door , neighbouring contact was what gave them there understanding . So is it down at some plank length , interactions are occuring , which make up the essence of what is happening in the universe ? Where these interactions occur in time, so as to build up the larger effects we come to understand are occuring at a much larger scale , and at much larger distances , having different much larger effects All occuring over distances and time , no greater than the speed of light ? Mike

O.k. . The comment that has given me something to think about was that of ARTHUR EDDINGTON " MASS " IS " a CURVATURE IN SPACE . Maybe he was stating , what we already know . But he was going out of his way to say that .o.k mass can cause a curvature in space , BUT MASS IS A CURVATURE IN SPACE ! What was he trying to say ? That they are NOT different things , they are one and the same ? I get a distinct sniff , there is something there ! It is as if we come up through the earth ,sea, air space .....going through different concentrations of mass , curvature, gravity, is it all one and the same , just with different concentrations ? How one would test for this , at this juncture I am not sure . , But there is something emanating out of the posting about a Lake with different thicknesses of water and rock . It appears to show that gravity and its influence is very local . Eg the lake bottom shape , is affecting the contour of the Geoid ( if that's how you spell it ) ? Many , many , breakthroughs in science have come from accidental by products of other research . I get a distinct sence there is something to learn, experiment , test , and theorise here somewhere ? Mike

. .. Do not think I do not know , what you both are saying , and to some extent , why you are saying it . That does not alter the fact ( without any offence meant ! ) That is a ' cop out ' . We need to try harder . Meaning , it is easy to say . I beleive , we should make it our business , as scientists , to dig an awful lot deeper , to try and research more, dig deeper , do experiments , and yes even make a host of ' guesses ' . Ok we are going to be wrong 95 % of the time , but that must not put us off , or we will never find out . I doubt ,nobody is going to step out of a spaceship , and say " what you have been wanting to hear about ' gravity is .............." I do not think it will happen ! Will it ? Guess .....discuss, Experiment , test , propose , back to the drawing board , more guesses , more experiments , more discussion .... Maybe an interim conclusion, more discussion ....etc , etc Surely ? Mike

I am trying to understand ' HOW GRAVITY WORKS ' . Whether this is a question , that should not be asked, I do not know , or care ? I personally as a practicing Engineer , all my life , have tried to understand the HOW , and WHY , things work , the way they do . I know a typical answer may be along the lines .." Science deals with the 'how ' not the why ." But , I do think that is insufficient , in understanding such an engrained , primary facility , by which the universe is fundamentally held together , and controls are every move and structure . I am sure it MUST be possible to probe and understand at greater depth , the ' Nature of Gravity ' ? I am having genuine difficulty , finding out about the ' mechanism , or whatever' that GRAVITY , uses to communicate itself , both locally ( in front of me ) , and at reasonably larger distances ? Such as :- around particles, around ordinary earth matter, around planets, stars, galaxies and throughout the universe. There 'appears to be ' , little understanding of gravity, 'so one guesses! ' But I would genuinely like to know ? Mike

O.k. I will try to digest what you are saying . As part of a literature research , There is a hint at what others before me have already stated . Referred to me yesterday by my friend from the science forum . Namely the words in a book about or by Arthur Eddington , back in 1929 namely . He , having worked to some extent concurrent with Einstein and familiar with ( Einstein's Curvature of space ) Arthur Eddington , referring to Einstein's work said to quote " rather than Mass causing a disturbance in ( Space ) " , :- " MASS ' IS ' a DISTURBANCE IN SPACE ' . " Would this infer that the creation of mass in the first place back in the Big Bang , was a complete curling up of space into the original matter particles , or something the like ? As my colleague explained to me , Space has to include time as different reference frames include different ' time ' . So in your suggesting the questions could include the ' oscillations ' , this will itself introduce ' time ' into the considerations ? Not too sure how the experimental investigation of the water surfaces of the river incorporate time yet ? Mike

.These are ' MY QUESTIONS ' and ' OBSERVABLES ' . 1. How exactly does mass , as the apparent originator of the ' Gravitational Effect ' convey its effect across a distance to something else with ' Mass ' 2 The observables chosen to investigate this ' Phenomenon ' are that of various oscillating masses that can be found in a bench top environment . And water gently flowing ,down stream , in a small local River . I have discussed this at reasonable length with a well known local Science Forum personnel, alongside a local River network today . And have isolated some areas to cover. We discussed the roll of Maths, Fields , local proximity, . Such as the effects of ground level distortion, gravitational fields, and engineering principles. Also we discussed how it might be possible to isolate individual variables , for observation , and possible phenomenon? Possible areas for consideration are ' the Higgs Field , ' and Virtual Higgs bosons ' Neighbouring matter . Laser measurement . Relativity. Fields . Attraction . Mike Ps . Another local engineer, taking a break by the river , overheard us " giving it 'what for ' scientifically , in the park by the river " . He came over and said " I have not heard such a stimulating conversation , in many a long year ! "

.Well o.k. I would not like to argue with your statistics . However , I personally do not , like seeing , what I am seeing , each day . In the current world climate . Also , I do not think any , external world observer , would like to see what we are seeing daily . Maybe we think what is happening is O.K. , because we do not feel as a world we are accountable to any one . But what happens if we are in some way accountable ? Can we genuinely justify to a higher order of Universal beings , that what we are allowing to happen is universally permissible? I think not , it is only that there does not appear to be any intervention , that we carry on regardless.? However , there is an old saying , not sure where it comes from " one day there will be a day of reckoning ? " How do you think we will fare , then ? Every day I sit and gaze at my goldfish . I am a higher being than them , yet I have an interest , I am checking to see they are fine . ( all there ) ? If I will do this for my gold fish ? Surely a higher observer of the world , would take seriously , what We are doing.' Here on earth ? Mike

.That is probably , the ones you mentioned are further removed from humans , as opposed to domesticated animals , that have been chosen as being more friendly to humans . I often wonder if the reason we have chosen .' Jack Russel ' dogs to be companions , is because they ' smile ' question by facial expression , and beg in the most appealing manner , not because they feel affection ( I would love to think it was ) , but because they know if they go through this sharada , I will give her a biscuit ? Or a stroke ! Whereas the preying mantis has not yet learned this strategy ? Maybe if they stopped stinging , people , but saddled up to humans , and gave them an affectionate rub , they would be nurtured more ? Mike

I am not certain I understand what you mean ? Are you saying , both species are capable of kindness and non violence . I agree, I for one , have never been able to take part in out and out aggression . Obviously , I have the male tendency to be protective ! But to go out of my way to revel in seeing someone hurt , does nothing for me . In fact it repells me ! I sometimes wonder if I Am not aggressive enough , so as to defend ! . I just wish , the whole human race , could just CALM DOWN , and live together in peace and harmony ! To me that would be so wonderful . Mike

Because , I am by experience , convinced the female of the species , does not have , this :- Put the guy down , necessity . No she is a pacifier by nature . Man on the other hand , possibly by its defensive origins , is a defender of foe . And his strategy , is punch the foe on the nose first , before he gets you ! Which is sort of understandable , as a strategy ! But , unfortunately this approach has led to outright warfare for millennium upon millennium ! Now is the time for ' Peace makers ' . Mike

.So far , I am not getting a positive response to women being ' benign ' . I personally have five women in my life . One wife and four daughters. They are Devine , peaceful , kind , not aggressive ( at least to me) . Up though my life , I have noticed that the female of the species is gentler by far than the male . Dogs, sheep, beasts( cattle ) , anything . They are the gentler of the species! Ops wives , also ! Give a male a chance , and he will want to put you down , punch you , or wish you some other dire fate . And in the worst shoot you. I am sorry the reign of terror is over . You have had your chance and you have messed up ! Screwed up , your rule is over ! Mike

If one looks about the whole world , at this point in time . There is fighting , strife , riots, killings , murder, wars , etc . The images , that we see of all this war and strife , is nearly 100 percent MEN . So if ALL MEN 100% , were miraculously overnight PACIFIED ( like changed , aggression, passion, and all the other ,' violent drivers' internally STOPED DEAD, somehow removed ? ) , --OVERNIGHT? Then with a different approach to men, would women bring this earth and its population to . .. " a BEAUTIFUL , PEACEFUL , PLACE TO LIVE ? " . . Mike

This subject of water shallowness in big land masses ! Perhaps you can shed more light on this ? Mike

. That is a good question ! O.k. Leave that with me . I will give that serious thought ! .. Rather than wandering around , thinking about a seriously under nourished subject ! .... Then respond . Mike. ...... ..." Mike ?......... What is your question ? ....... ..... " what are your observable ? " ......... ..." This is dangerous , as I spend a lot of time walking by canals , seas , and rivers ! " .......

.As regards the Balaton Laser project . I noticed it , thought they may be trying to lead their project toward understanding gravity. But I have not read that much of it , as it sounded more about the technology of laser work over distance and seas . When I get the time I will try and follow more of it ! Needless to say , it sounds an interesting and exciting project . Sometimes / always , I find it difficult to read everything . I have tried to get a software writer to do some form of reading program , as I like pictures, as they take you straight to the project essence . As regards my possible (water surface ) approach . I am thinking it is a way of getting a hold on the correct orientation for gravity experiments , as are plumb lines . Also if Balaton project is proving the geodesic line of the surface of the lake , great ! My surface will probably range from 1 meter to 10 meters. Then I want to see if it's possible to obtain any ' nature of gravity ' aspects . Mike

.EXPERIMENT PREPARATION I have reasoned that a reliable datum surface is required. This also has to be in or on a Geodesic . such a datum surface , and geodesic is available on a still surface of water. A geodesic is defined as the shortest distance between two actual points . It is my belief that a water surface will in fact assume a flat yet , slightly curved, geodesic surface ( caused by the distortion of gravity itself .) Geodesic ref. : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesic I have looked up the work of Cavendish and his measuring gravity to a very tight tolerance Ref :- cavendish :- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_experiment . What I am interested in is the very small change in the force of balance of gravity with the (surface of the geodesic) surface of water , with a very small change in height of water : It would seem to me , that flat water ( as in a geodesic curve A ) is flat by virtue of the force of gravity . When it finds a way to move ' down ' by a very small increment , it moves to a ( new geodesic curve B ) . I would suggest there is some measurable yet very small change in the gravitational pull at curve B ? Mike

. I am sorry gentlemen , my words and images, have got cross wired . When I read RADIATION . It invoked radio active radiation, radio transmission of RF electro magnetic radiation. I immediately thought , " What's all this radiation , connected with gravity ? " eh , what radiation ? Eh ? Wires crossed, until I reflected , of course you were referring back to our cosmic affairs to do with Gravity , gravity waves , etc , for some reason my mind had segregated those to another issue. It was only on your recent prompt , saying we have already discussed that ! That it jolted me back into the reality of the size of the universe and either end of the size spectrum. Sorry chaps how stupid of me ! What a goon! ................ This does not alter the fact that . Gravity is there , in a field , which can be described by maths , to a certain extent . Where it's coordinates are , it's shape ( curved) , but very little else at this juncture . Having the capacity to support Waves , it is starting to show . Whether , gravitons are there, remains to be proved. Far more must be possible, to be understood , to be gleened, of this Universe Shaping Force ! With this force functioning at my fingertips , I hope I can , think, design and conduct an experiment that is worth while ? Mike