Mike Smith Cosmos

What and where has. GRAVITATIONAL RADIATION .... What was seen ? Mike

I am not going to give up or be beaten on this one . It's too important . And after all , it is all around us , dictates our every move in life ! There has got to be a hint , somewhere of ......it ....... Gravity? And in my experiment it is so sensitive! Mike Ps I have also made an observation , while walking to the bus . Nobody is ' whistling ' any more .

.Well it has everything to do with table top experiments ? I was going to try and use a real life observation of a VISIBLE EFFECT of GRAVITY in action . To see if I could possible focus in on anything to do with GRAVITATIONAL FIELD . and or GRAVITONS . Everybody seems to think or be saying that both are nearly totally UNKNOWN . Yes maths can model . But as regards what they both are , nobody seems to know . So how can I find something , that I do not know what I am looking for ? My colleagues here , say, I might as well go looking for little green fairies! Mike Come on now ! I have an observable experiment . Employing GRAVITY, GRAVITATIONAL FIELD , and maybe even GRAVITONS ( If they exist ) . In front of me on a Granite Bench top Experiment !

. Eek ! I am on a bus , and if I work on my I pad , I feel very sick ! I think this has something to do with my inner ear , eyes and orientation discordance ! As I work , think and reason in pictures ! Unlike many others , who think and reason in words and maths ! There is a message here ? Somewhere .......... ...........Arrived at Radio Society Breakfast .......... I have brought this subject up in the Radio Society . Some members have had careers in space projects . I am horrified , that , nobody , world wide , knows what gravitons are , or whether they even exist at all. They are happy that fields exist , like EM fields and GRAVITATIONAL fields exist . But what the forces ARE , in those fields , quite like ELECTRO MAGNETIC and GRAVITATIONAL FIELDS ....ARE ... they are of a mind , that Nobody , really knows quite what those FIELDS ARE . Yes, they exist , they can be modelled by maths ,mbut WHAT quite they are ....... At the moment Unknown . Yes, there is maths to model them , but what they ARE ? Their nature ? No body seems to know ! Yet ! ......... I think I will go out and shoot myself ! ........ Joking Mike

You are going to have to go through this in depth with me . Unfortunately missed program . Discovery ? Is that on sky or free view ? ( I only have free view . Perhaps we could meet and discuss. Off to radio amateurs meeting this morning ! Yes saw post # 93 . Again need to discuss! Mike

Well if electrons gather around protons , because they are opposite charge , I assumed gravitons gathered around gravity because they were of similar interest to Gravity. But as electrons are sort of move around carriers , so I assumed gravitons were sort of move around carriers of gravity . However , as you say I need to go and do some reading about ' exchange particles ' as well as Cavendish . So where can I move my ' gravitons to' in my drawing ? Are they more based around the centre , or are they in a hidden world , unseen until needed? New picture ? . Old picture ? Or something completely different ? Mike

. Is this sketch , any where near to what could be happening in principle ? Even though the gravitons are virtual particles ( coming into existence and going back into ..) Perhaps those that come into existence and find themselves close to a mass particle ( react, and interact , and remain real for as long as it takes to react with gravity and accelerate a mass particle . When they have done their job , perhaps they return to being virtual ? Mike

I would appreciate someone checking out my post # 87 . As if it is correct , I am well on the way to an understanding of :- HOW GRAVITY OPERATES AROUND LARGE MASSES ,in the astronomic environment , moons , like planets , stars etc I think ? Mike

.Ok. We or I may be getting somewhere now ! If what you are saying is correct ( which I do not doubt , that you have a good chance of being correct . ) Then . :- There is this Gravity Field there ( which I might have to come back to later , as to how in the first place it is generated as a field ) . Presumably by the mass of the earth? And somehow or somewhere gravitons appear ( like little alien space ships , by the trillion ) encircle me and my travelling companion ( bunch of atoms in a saucer ) and drag us down at a set acceleration ( 9.81 meters second squared ) towards the centre of the earth. Because that is the strength of the field in this immediate locality. ( again I might have to ask later where these gravitons were, before we arrived ) or are there trillions around everywhere , making up the field in the first place ? (Forgetting the ' little alien space ships ' , for the moment ) . This is beginning to make some sort of loose sense . In the presence of a lot of mass like the earth , there exists a gravity field composed of gazillion GRAVITONS. Whose sole purpose in life is to latch on to any and all , separated mass and drag it down to the centre of the generating gravitational field at an acceleration dictated to by the strength of the field at that particular location ( calculated by the Newtonian formula ( force of attraction ) F = G m1 xm2/r squared and then subject to F = m x a ) where ' a '. is the constant acceleration at that point in the field ? Is that where we are at , or am I miles apart ? Mike

.Yes that is fine by me , but what field is that , what stimulates or causes it , and what is the field ' IN ' ? Mike

.We are in free fall ! But who or what ( by way of particle or field , or something else, is causing this free fall) .OR . Mike

Today , images of the ongoing immigrant problems , show , or illustrate things are not getting better . In a refugee camp , one father said , desperately trying to keep his family together " it's like Hell , in here " Those that have got out are protesting in London and New York over the deaths of those who died by drowning in the crossing by the life jackets of those who died ! To any possible external whole world observer , things are still not a pretty sight . Somehow , we need to find a way to share the total world with all its inhabitants , pretty darn quick , if we don't want these images to be on our record . Mike

. Which phenomenon , particles , or forces causes the two separate ,different masses to move downward toward the centre of the earth with identicle acceleration ? If released ? How do they act .? And how does it work ? . Mike

Gravitons and Neutrinos . I have just tried to have a first pass read through of the Wikipedia references to both : Gravitons and Neutrinos. This is not easy reading or definitive in its explanations . I will attempt to find some more thorough explanation . In the mean time if anyone has an explanation of either or both of these particles ( GRAVITONS) and ( NEUTRINOS ) . And how they may interact with my example of particle interaction on the subject of GRAVITATIONAL ATTRACTION or some other effects on normal matter ? I would be grateful . Mike

.Yes but surely any research scientist, has to make up speculative stories , in order to have a range of options to test and possibly reject , until they hit on the one that is near to a solution . And then refine the technique to home in , on a possible solution . Or find nothing at all . Surely .! I agree on the reading of gravitons and neutrinos . Unfortunately this weekend has been with 1 wife ... 4 daughters ...2 female grandchildren+ 1 male grandson , a female Jack Russell ( notice mainly all female ) . It's a killer ! Mike .O.k. I have heard from a local scientist , that ' gravitons ' are on the forefront of research , to do with gravity . Have you any choice aspects to do with gravitons and earths gravity , that I should home in on ? Particularly ,on this issue of pulling both the atoms in the Saucer, and myself , at the same time , with the same acceleration? Down towards the centre of the earth ? Mike

.Well I have three possible , ways in which constant , consistent , induced acceleration is immediately possible . If we can not go with the streaming down , from above? Which is the remaining third option. (3) 1) by constant attraction from below , affecting both ( saucer atoms and me ) . Such an attractive would need to suck , or attract us both down from bellow , like some ghastly ' fiendish demon ' from the underworld . 2) some strange distortion of ' space-time ' itself to curve in such a way as to reproduce this ' sucking down with constant acceleration ' . But although I personally prefer this second option , it requires space- time to be ' something to be curved ' What quite is curved , I am at a loss with ? ( in view of the anti - medium lobby ) 3) streaming down of very miniature particle from above ( gravitons , neutrinos etc ) Mike

.That is purely to illustrate the idea , that both and all is being exposed to MOVING or PULLING or PUSHING ACCELERATING PHENOMENON ( all moving together with each other ) as an attempt to understand more of how GRAVITY is or works . Mike

.Yes but that is what I did many posts ago , just roughly showing that F was going to be very low with the few atoms in the saucer , and F was going to be very high with me . But the overall force is sufficient to sweep us both along , as if swept down stream by a river that is accelerating. The force developed around me , none the less is large , the force developed around the few atoms in the saucer is small. But we all go down the stream with the same acceleration? ( like Galileo 's heavy iron cannon ball and his light wooden ball, they both fell with identical acceleration,, down the tower ) . Unless I have got things hopelessly wrong ? Same acceleration , different masses, different forces ? Unless F = M x A does not work in this situation ? Or I took a wrong turn , somewhere ? Mike

.I do not quite understand , f (swapping with ) m. Surely the standard equation F = M x a F is force in Newton's. , M is mass in Kilograms , a is acceleration in meters per second per second ? So the ...........Force can only apply to Gravity in this example ...........Mass can only apply to the atoms in the saucer, and/or the Body ( mine ) of flesh and bones. ...........Acceleration can only apply to the resultant movement of the masses. Surely I am of the belief the gravity , which is resulting ( even if only momentary) in attempted acceleration on both the atoms in the saucer and my body are :- ( even if one is milli grams , the other many Kilograms.) As if by a flooding rushing river playing down on both myself and the saucer atoms , with an equal acceleration of ( 32 ft/sec/sec or 9.81 meters/sec/sec ) and if free to move would accelerate equally , side by side , down this flooding river . ( if only for a moment in time ) before the next moment in time ? As if we were made of the same substance . ACCELERATION is king in this situation ? Surely . Mike

.Yes , but I am going through it again , more thoroughly right now to see if it is capable of my double action on .. .. me and ... the saucer atoms . Mike

.I do not know too much about gravitons ? Are they in abundance in the universe ? In sufficient quantity to pour into the centre of the earth , the way I describe ? Thus , so as to provide the distributed forces , I previously described , creating the same acceleration , but with different levels of force , on both the atoms in the saucer and me ? Mike Ref graviton :- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton

.Yes well maths says F=M x A . So :- True the force that gravity needs to accelerate me ( M large ) can be calculated from this formulae. Similarly , for the few atoms in the saucer F=M x A , this time ( M very small ) . So with acceleration being the same . The force required is substantially less. So the incoming force from the neutrinos ( if they are what do it ? ) , distribute their force according to MASS value in order to cause common acceleration. This is in keeping with current science , provided one accepts that some particles , ( NEUTRINOS , or something else , Are in fact , PORING INTO THE CENTRE OF THE EARTH ) Mike

Yes , but I am serious . Unless someone can tell me what is causing that inward pressure , toward the centre of the earth. Is it Gravitons or what ? It is clearly a torrent of something , going inward from outside the earth . Is it that a I quadrillion upon quadrillion of neutrinos heading in toward the centre of the earth . Giving a small pressure on my saucer atoms , and a massive pressure on me as they pass by at a constant rate as they are responsible for this constant gravitational acceleration? So that , if we were both released at the same moment in time , we ( saucer atoms and me ) would be swept along ,downward to the centre of the earth. If not neutrinos , some other very small particle ? Or what ? Mike

. I am going through , following the observation of the rocking saucer . Thinking about the way gravity is affecting the few or many atoms in the left hand side of the saucer. I stop to think my formula says the gravitational force on the small part of saucer will be very small , because the mass is very small . So if I measured it it would be small. If I was to replace it with me sitting on the granite surface , as a 15/16 stone male , I would exert a force caused by the effect of gravity of some large amount . In fact I would take some shifting . How does the gravity distinguish between me and the few atoms of the saucer , giving them a small force and me a very large force. Of course it does not, as it's the exactly the same force causing an acceleration. Whether I am a few atoms or a hunk of a grown ,overweight male , we will both be accelerated at the same amount . If we suddenly took the granite surface , and everything under it away. This is what Galileo did by dropping a metal canon ball , and a light wooden one from the top of the tower of Pisa. They both were accelerated at exactly the same amount , as did the experiment by the astronaughts on the moon , while dropping a feather and a hammer , both fell by gravity acceleration identically. And I have personally repeated this experiment, in Italy , in Pisa , with a concrete lemon and a real fruit lemon. Unfortunately the police would not let me up the tower , so I did it from the top of a nearby Hotel ! And it worked , the manager witnessed them both hitting the ground at the same time . So the first thing about gravity coming out of this experiment , is , rather than gravity being some massive force , necessarily , it is a fixed value acceleration . The forces come in when you try and get that acceleration . For something like me , you would need quite a large force to get me accelerating at 32 ft/sec , that's why I have all that mass . For a few atoms in the saucer you would require a minuscule force to move them at 32ft/ sec . Because they are ' as light as a kite ' So really our model of gravity is more about accelerating things , than anything else . This is probably where the ' curvature of space time comes in ' because to make things whether they be ' me ' or a few atoms , they need to be directed to the centre of the earth , by an inward force ( depending on the individual item ( either a ' me ' or a few ' atoms ' ) . The atoms would be a piece of cake , a minute force necessary ( hence that was kicking about in the rocking saucer) . With ' ( me ' ) '. I would take some shifting to keep me aimed and effectively accelerating , towards the centre of the earth. So it's the curvature of ' space time ' set up by the earth is what is acting to push those ( attract those ) two different items ( me and the few atoms ) towards the centre of the earth. So it does not really matter , who or what , or how heavy or light we are , if space is curved by a large object like the earth , there is effectively that curve there , and it's attracting or pushing us ALL in some form of accelerating mode , towards the centre of the EARTH , ? I THINK. IS THAT SO . Or have I got this bit so far wrong or right ? Mike Is

.Well , I am not expecting any body waving at me with a red flag . But as one of those famous scientists once said , not sure who ? " As a researcher or scientist , If you look over a cliff or an horizon , you will inevitably see something new, and if you do not look over the edge , you won't ! " Mike . ( I think I just got a flake of broken China in my eye !