Mike Smith Cosmos

. Trying to respond sequentially to your points . ( I haven't got hold of this quote by quote method that most use ) so first : BEGINNING OF POINTS --------------------- POINT A --------------------- "But it doesn't have photons zipping through it Mike, excitations in the field ARE the photons." Yes , I understand that , excitation are the photons ( it's just a wave packet of energy ) . Just like the wave on the sea coming ashore. The water has not come from far out to sea , only the packet of energy comes to the coast . True the final break at the shore is a big ( back and forward ) , but thats just due to running out of depth. I am quite happy the medium and the packet ,being of the same nature , or are the same . ------------------- POINT B ------------------- As for your ideas regarding the medium for gravitational waves being the masses that are scattered throughout the universe, Mike, just like the fibers in the carpet... How does the wave then get from one mass to another ? There has to be a mass in between to wave, doesn't there ? And how does the wave get to the in-between mass? There has to be mass continuously throughout the universe ? See how silly your idea quickly becomes ? My reply :- Well all I was suggesting was that something ' matter like ' , in other words had some of the characteristics of matter, mass , even if not all. And it acted as a medium to ALL matter . That could be dark matter , because . I understand some of its particles are very small , but none the less respond to all matter ( if I have it right ) . So when BIG ISSUES come along say in Galaxy formation , or colliding black holes . This medium ( dark matter responds ) throughout the entire universe. I do not think particles have be touching each other to act as an effective medium. In fact I am not sure that any particles are rubbing shoulders throughout the universe . They seem to interact without touching most of the time , don't they ? ------------------------ POINT. C ------------------------ But if that thing you don't like, space-time, because it is just abstract geometry; if we allow it to have energy ( virtual particles are borrowed energy ) then it has the equivalent of mass. And we can 'consider' it a continuous mass throughout the universe. Then we do have 'mass-energy' as a 'medium'. Then , what I said in the previous paragraph is again applicable ? (About interacting without touching , necessarily . ) ? ------------------------------ END OF POINTS ------------------------------ Mike

Well , I must say at first pass , what you say about photons inside a conducting / conductor. Sound counter to my proposal of the need for Medium/ AETHER for photon propagation . I do however wonder whether what you are talking about is ( total internal reflection , like in a fibre optic cables. Or the sort of propagation in microwave ( metal waveguides ) . Mike

.Not too sure the relevance of your comment here? Could you explain ? Thanks Mike

. Yes ! My CONCLUSIONS ( whether rightly or wrongly ) is having listened to the whole thing is :- That there are in the universe two distinct facilities here ( GRAVITATIONAL , AND ELECTRICAL ) . Both being very different in their nature and operation . Yet both having or , are , a Medium/ Aether for their operation. In both distinctly different cases the medium is of the same nature material concerned. Namely :- with firstly ELECTRO MAGNETISM is present throughout the universe/ space as a medium for light and other ELECTRO MAGNETIC WAVES . As an Electro -Magnetic FIELD. The medium is Electromagnetic . The waves are electromagnetic , being in fact interactions within the universe wide electromagnetic field . Field , medium and wave are of a similar nature . Or in fact fascits of the same thing . GRAVITATIONAL ACTIVITY Is present throughout the Universe/space as a medium for matter and GRAVITATIONAL WAVES. As a Gravitational FIELD . The medium is Gravitational Matter ( Mass) spread across the whole universe. The waves are gravitational , being in fact ' pertabations or waves ' within the universe wide Gravitational field generated by all the mass large and small across the whole universe. Field and wave and medium are of a similar nature . Or in fact fascits of the same thing . Mike

. But I thought we had established , that the universe of space had an electromagnetic field present from one end of the universe to the other , as part of its construction . And individual electro-magnetic photons as waves , came wandering through by interaction with the main universal field or zooming through from wherever they came from . .I am not saying it's wrong because it's scary . I am saying it's hard to call something ' Real ' . And ' object ' sounds real . If it is real , that's fine , we can wave it about like a bit of carpet . ( or induce some steady field to become disturbed and oscillate about for a cycle or two . ) But if it's just , so much abstract maths written in a computer memory somewhere we can't wave it around ? Or it can't wave itself about ? It's just so much dynamic information . Surely? Mike

I think I just saw the buckle in the track , that caused the derailments! When I took 'A' level maths at Grammar school , there were two subjects . PURE MATHS , and APPLIED MATHS . One was about ' Abstract Maths ' as formulae , sums, manipulation of number. PURE MATHS . The other about ' Real things , cars , blocks , how actual ' THINGS ' moved etc. APPLIED MATHS . I looked at the definition of TENSORS , they are Scary Sounding . But Pure . But not REAL not necessarily APPLIED on anything , just an operation . And yet they get called a MATHMATICAL OBJECT. ( glug ! ) I think this is where the buckle in the track is . Where if we don't watch it our eyes glaze over . And we can become ' derailed ! ( Non Mathmatisians, I mean ) MATHS. appears to be able to conjure up an object , out of nothing , ( say NO MEDIUM , nothing there ) , if I have got it right .? Yet it can be on something , if there IS something there ( say A MEDIUM , a Rug say , or water ) , if I have got it right ? Ref TENSORS :- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensor ELECTRO MAGNETIC WAVES Even more tricky , if the thing we are looking at is a Field ( say an Electro Magnetic field ) , because at a POINT a field might just be a value at a certain position ( say so many volts and so much magnetism gauss) . We start getting maths type coordinates or geometry . And before we know where we are, we are in an ' Object' a ' Bundle ' , But we then need to ask " yes but where is the Field coming from ( a point charge , a small atomic particle , or a massive electric field set up from somewhere else ? ) . And if the charge is moving or spinning it will produce a magnetic field . Suddenly we have something real , like a medium . It's almost like Magic. It's much easier if we can think of it as a piece of carpet ( hey ! A magic carpet .. Medium ) GRAVITATIONAL WAVES So in the carpet illustration , As applied to gravitational waves , We can presume some matter, or particles is what is illustrated by 'The carpet' is the medium or Aether . The wave in the carpet is the gravitational Wave , even though it's composed of carpet material BUT thought of as moving medium . Then , let the mathematicians at it . They will 'tense ' it up as an object and 'bundle ' it up Into Maths models . And do Geographic coordinates , all over it , to express it in acceptable math form , AND express the wave and carpet in maths from one end to the other ! Somewhere in here we can say that the long series of various coordinates that can be used to identifying completely the rug with its wave in it , is a FIELD with a wave in it . I think ? Mike

. I think the next space station commission is going to be a ' hoot ' . With flapping great lengths of heavy carpet , up and down , with some gusto ! Inside or outside the module? . And Banging drums , feverishly ! Especially as the cabin will need to be evacuated of breathable air ! Unless you are planning this outside the space station ? Sounds quite fun , in addition to driving other space scientists crazy ! However if we can crack this Aether / Medium issue , it will be worth the annoyance ? Mike

.I must say , for someone who refers to the themselves, as a ' lay person ' , I find your comments in this matter ,very insightful, and inspirational ! I think your mulling over things ,has helped very much the flow of this discussion recently . There are clearly things , like Ronald Rumsfold said " there are still the Unknown, unknowns that remain , in that we do not , know if there are , unknowns , that remain unknown ! Or something to that effect . The things that AJB , mentions are very searching . But I have to be very careful that I am not swept away with mathmatical nomenclature, that leaves me , dizzy , and disorientated , from what is actually happening in REALITY. At this moment I am not sure how closely linked to REALITY these mathmatical models are ? I am trying to think my way through what AJB , Has said . Also I like your request for an astronaught to " shake a rug in space " . Interesting? Mike

.We can forget about the source, dark energy , I was just looking for a huge amount of energy to set up this original electro magnetic field . I am very happy with field . For some reason , this happiness was missed . I am a field man , communications and radio transmission has been my life . They will bury me, no doubt, in an electro magnetic field . It's so real to me , I have an I phone in my pocket , an I pad in my lap , a PC and modem in my cupboard , a 150 watt input transceiver up stairs , two hand held transceivers, I think about fields 10 times a day , where other men think of sex. A field is fine , but my science tells me a field is generated from somewhere . I dared to ask where this all pervasive electro magnetic field , comes from ? Is it from trillions of trillions of particles with a point charge , or some gigantic Tesla machine at either end of the universe. It's not an unreasonable question to ask . O.k. The electro magnetic field is there , I have accepted that from the start . AS LONG AS IT IS REAL . not some guess , like why don't we try that . If it is a guess , then fine , lets say it is a guess . It's as good as my guess , guessing it was dark energy . Now we accept this all pervasive field is the medium . Great . Electro magnetic medium , electro magnetic packets of some sort , travel as waves across space . Now when we are sending signals across this medium , we put more Electro magnetic fields ( photons ) into the media to ' wiggle ' it . Great it's wiggling the medium , and off they go. Electro Magnetic waves at the speed of light , through the medium . Some say actual photon particles travel at the speed of light. In nothing . What I suggest is that 'nothing ' goes anywhere ( no particles ) , just quantised packets of energy , wave across the medium , until they arrive at their destination ( or get interfered with on the way. ) . Gravity , follows a different procedure . We start at the other end. However I see no reason why the same procedure should not follow. The medium , the same stuff as the source of Gravity . GRAVITATIONAL FIELD Mike

.To make this REAL ( namely reality , and my previous grave doubts) that ' one ' was using maths alone , without a fundamental reality . A ' real thing ' as opposed to a 'mathematical thing '. You speak of a field , which field ? The Field , that is out there , permeating all space and the universe . If so, where did this field come from , I am saying it came from dark energy , that's not critical , as long as it came from somewhere , where are you saying this 'all pervasive field ' comes from ? We did cover this early on , in this thread , but I think at that point , I got dismissed a bit ( not necessarily from you ) but it started this " you don't need to know , because there is No Medium " . If not dark energy , is it just there , from Big Bang or something . That is o.k. If we can agree on that, then the maths can do its geometry ,bundles, and other functions to come up with something ! As a side issue , I did raise a point about ' no actual things , crossing the medium , only packets of energy . Not sure if that makes any difference to the maths , as you probably think of photons in those terms anyway ? If we get that out of the way , as you say we can move across to Gravitational waves . Plus the other things you spoke about . Mike

You had me sitting on the edge of my seat , in total agreement , until the last eight words :- Namely " the local geometry as described by a metric tensor." Now , steady up there , . This is where I have to watch , you don't take me off in a maths rapture , and you leave me for dead by the wave side ! I have to check you have not seduced me away from reality . ......... " The local geometry as described by a metric tensor." .. Is that math speak for " a wave " ? If so a wave of what ? , in what ? By what , An asteroid , A sun , a galaxy doing what ( bumping , colliding , exploding , imploding , ). 'what ' for example ? Mike

. .. Yes but I do , Of Sorts . And I have all along , of sorts . But you guys have all been saying " There is no need of a medium" " there is no medium " I have always been happy , there is the light and electromagnetic waves of a variety of sorts AND There is a medium for IT ( the electromagnetic waves to wave in ) . I don't mind , and have never minded that the medium is made of the same sort of ' stuff ' , the wave is made of . Even if it is the same type of stuff ( not itself ) but a medium a vehicle . So if it's a field , that is sort of O.k. As long as it is not just a math coordinate and maths function that is POSITIONED IN NOTHING and FUNCTIONING ON NOTHING . I Admit I have bleeted on about the medium needing to be of ' SUBSTANCE' , but by that I was in no way insisting the substance must be material , I was meaning it must be MORE , THAN AN INSUBSTANTIAL MATHS FORMULA OR COORDINATE SYSTEN OF NO SUBSTANCE . NOTHING . That is why recently I have been worried this is not semantics , definitions . Eg . There is nothing wrong in saying " there goes a wave " " the wave is made of a heaped up bit of water " followed by another heaped up and depressed bit of water " " oh it's sort of sinusoidal in shape " oh and look it's crossing the Ocean , which is also made of a Large body of water , acting as a medium for the wave " . Great , I am happy with that . . Wave and Medium , made of same stuff. . One sitting there in all its glory , the other moving across it as a wave , with all its Energy . Now , back to the ELECTRO MAGNETIC WAVES , I am happy the wave is there , somewhere , and it's travelling across the medium , called the Electro- Magnetic field ,( not the one that's just about to cross in front of us , but a massive electro magnetic field , being in space or the Universe , as a medium , accepting incoming and outgoing EM waves . ( possibly ? Set up by Dark Energy ) Also , back to the GRAVITATIONAL WAVES . I am happy both the wave and the medium are both based around , GRAVITATIONAL MASS AND MATTER . In their case Ordinary Matter with mass and Dark Matter . ( I have suggested the GRAVITATIONAL WAVES originate from ordinary mass/ matter and to some extent gravitational wave can travel through other mass as a medium eg earthquakes P AND S WAVES, But also across space through the medium of DARK MATTER .together with some ORDINARY MATTER PARTICLES. IF EVERYTHING THAT I have mentioned , is FIELDS , then that is fine by me , I am happy with fields , what I am and have not been happy with is. NOTHING ( no medium, no nothing ) just the wave . Wave in what ? Field , something . Not nothing . O.k . So the field is the Medium . Not no medium . Not nothing ! MIKE

Somewhere, out there , in some of your recent comments, someone said something , that made me sit up with a bump! I thought to myself I must go back and read that again , but could not find it ? It was something like ..." When you are dealing with field theory .. Particles and waves ... Blurr! ..... ". Or something like that . I never did find it ? Did I dream it , imagine it ? But therein might lay a solution . Because if that is what was said , ? Then the idea of a wave , travelling very , very , fast ( say in the sea ) and hitting me standing up to my waist in water with my eyes closed , suddenly being hit by a very fast wave , ?..I would be hard pushed ( pardon the pun ) , to distinguishing whether I had been hit by a ' heavy floating log ' or a 'large fast sea wave ? ' Wave - particle . Is this whole issue about semantics ( the difference in the meaning of Words ? ) or for that matter ( the difference in the meaning of Reality ? ) The whole issue of Shrohniger 's cat, wave particle duality, etc may possibly be at the root of this issue ? Was this what was said ? XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. ....... XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX If so , to visit the issue of MEDIUM/ AETHER and GRAVITATIONAL WAVES . Could take a turn ! XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. ........ XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Mike

.As regards the Medium / Aether for GRAVITATIONAL WAVES . I beleive this to be a separate thing . I need to drop down in size by a huge scale . In this case we are moving down in so many orders of magnitude , any waves/particles will be practically invisible unless you are one of these DARK MATTER particles . Whether AXIONS , WIMPS, WIMP ZILLA . MIRROR PARTICLES. Or other yet not descovered candidates for Dark Matter . Again , I am proposing these are acting as a MEDIUM /GUIDE for any GRAVITATIONAL WAVES in ordinary matter . So the ordinary matter acts in the way we understand it . But when it comes to GRAVITATIONAL WAVES , I am proposing these waves travel through the medium suggested. This is making all the more sense, with this Wave - Particle Duality that seems to be rearing its head , all over the place . It was one thing to think of particles , floating around freely without a container of any sort , but now it is becoming waves all over . Waves just can't exist without a medium to wave about in ! Mike

Some research has been accomplished into dark energy . http://hetdex.org/dark_energy/what_is_it/new_physics.php Whether exotic matter or normal matter it is quite conceivable , that a host of identicle charge + particles could arrange themselves in space so as to remain equi spaced in three dimensions . As a lattice . In my model I was suggesting , a photon approaching could interact with the charged lattice . In so doing the photon would 'interact ' its energy into the lattice or medium / aether as a quantum of energy . This process would be repeated , over and over, and over until it has reached its destination at the end of its trajectory . It could be that this traversing the lattice/ medium/ aether might be construed as a photon traveling through the lattice , as if a particle. I rather think , this is more like a quantised wave , moves through the medium , not as a particle , but as a WAVE , THROUGH THE MEDIUM /AETHER . ++++++++++++ ++++++++++++ ++++++++++++ ++++++++++++ For this matrix to be set up from one end of space to the other requires a Hugh amount of energy . This fits the description given the quantity of energy in DARK ENERGY . Mike

A brief introduction to the atomic sized particles and their charge , can give some insight into the sort of charge that is available in normal matter . https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model Some of the charge shown here could relate to building up an electro magnetic medium , which could assist in building up a field suitable for Photon propagation . However if we are to consider Dark Energy as a source of charge , we may need to look further afield .

. .Sorry, it's just the title of the thread is " Gravity Waves and the Aether" .In the case of light , radio waves and photons you say are working as evidence . Without an aether/medium . THIS IS MY MODEL FOR PHOTON TRAVEL IN DARK ENERGY IN THE UNIVERSE ( WITH AETHER/ MEDIUM I would say to that. The transmission is occuring BECAUSE there is a medium / aether. NOT because there is not an Aether . The aether in this case consists of the atomic sized , granular , electro magnetic field composed of Dark Energy charged particles spread out across three dimensional space . Furthermore I would say , the photon or em packet does not travel anywhere . It mearly interacts with the adjacent , Electro magnetic field , which is the Aether , and so on and so on , in a chain across the medium / aether. The first photon does not go anywhere , it mearly transfers its energy as a plane wave across the medium in a strait path a photon width cross section . This photon wide packet of energy only deviates from its straight path under a further influence of another electro magnetic field or gravitational field . THIS IS MY MODEL FOR GRAVITATIONAL WAVES TRAVEL IN DARK MATTER IN THE UNIVERSE At a completely different scale ( not the atomic scale ) but at ' neutrino' sized scale . The gravitational wave travels through the different scale Aether . This aether is provided by the different distribution of Dark Matter particles , WIMPS, AXIONS, ZILLA WIMP ( also possibly MIRROR PARTICLES , BOSONS , etc ) , across space in the configuration previously illustrated. It's attenuation and spread through the galaxies and universe may be subject to different criteria ( like dispersion and attenuation ) compared to photons and other electro magnetic waves . Mike

Goodness me , I can't go around saying that 'top scientist' models are not adequate . I will end up in 'concrete Wellington boots ' It's just this medium( is there isn't there) a medium for both gravity and Em waves. I have always had it as a " it does not sit easy on my mind " I can't let go of it . Its core to my very 'Radio ' being. Through life , through two universities , and now through the science forum discussions, I can't let go, it will not go away ! Shoot me , or do something ! Put me out of my misery . ... ......" I told them , there must be a medium" .... He was found completely demented ! walking into a dessert somewhere ! ..... Mike

Immediately , that I try to structure my MODEL , I hit an interesting , phenomenon . I am turning to the only source within reach, being as how the universe started 13,.. Odd billions years ago , and that much of the first hand data is , ( a) a long way away , (b) still in research in scientific institutes dotted about the globe ( c) things not yet descovered and understood . Etc . May or may not exist , or may exist but not in a form , that we can see or recognise . This does provide quite an obstacle to producing , a complete and ' whole ' reliable model' . In some ways this is highlighted in this subject of AETHER FOR GRAVITATIONAL WAVES . Or anything else for that matter that is not CURRENTLY SEEN or have immediate evidence. That is probably why many scientists , in the first instance , do not believe in , Aether, God , new matter, new phenomenon , to begin with ( which of course one can understand why , because of the current scientific method . However , using maths as a way to new unseen discoveries , does get over some of these problems ,but could leave great swathes neglected , because they are not immediately ' seen , mathematically ' as evidence. In attempting to produce a complete model for ' THE AETHER FOR GRAVITATIONAL WAVES ' it would be necessary to piece together a line of connectivity from . The two colliding Black Holes , all the way through the ' known' routes through space time , to the LIGO detector data , a month or more ago . ( without using a present or non existent AETHER/ MEDIUM ) , primarily because the idea of Aeither/ medium is not an accepted path. IF for a moment , we were to ' suspend our disbelief ' we might open up an opportunity for an alternative explanation / path ! The bottom line of this reasoning is :- that one can only produce a continuous line of cause and effect , by piecing together , known previously proven ' sections of the path of cause and effect ' . As Aether / medium , is not yet PROVEN . l believe my only recourse in this matter is to PROVE One link of Aether / medium , in space . But To do that , I may have to use the proven , accepted path , outside of that one , individual link . ( a bit like checking an old fashion house fuse ) .i do not believe just saying an Aether / medium are not necessary , because we haven't seen one , is insufficient. Problem is I have to think up a way of doing that ? I thought , that I could bring all the links together and prove the whole experiment , from beginning to end by collecting all the proven links. The problem still comes back to ' is there a medium or is there not ? While phenomenon of waves , travel across space . Which boils down to " is there nothing there ? Or is there ( a medium / aether) there ? To many scientists it does not seem to bother whether there is or is not ? To me it matters as I think it will open up interesting 'knock on's ' if it were proven a medium IS necessary for E.M. Waves , it might encourage the similar requirement for a Medium / AETHER for GRAVITATIONAL waves ' I think the answer might be found in what actually ' a photon of EM WAVE , DOES ' and needs . Can it really self generate. ? Electric field collapses to produce a magnetic field , and vice versa , with No independent supportive help , How about interaction with a field, ELECTRIC FIELD MEDIUM ? After all the standard model shows up ' umpteen' particles with a small electric field , and spin , and more particles being descovered as we speak , what with Wimps, axions, wimpzilla, etc etc Mike It has to do with the goldfish in the bowl thinking he/she/it is drifting around in air or swimming in water ? Either way the fish is having a good time ( but one is true the other false? ) one day it might think it could launch itself into space , and fly away to freedom . ( but the false answer would lead to death ! )

. O.K. I HAVE ( A MODEL ) . ( of the two/one AETHER/ MEDIUM for GRAVITY and ELECTRO- MAGNETISM ) that I believe would be capable of testing /is being tested in parts , as we speak . I say ( two/one ) because they are radically different , but are inextricably linked , as the two make up .------- the MEDIUM /AETHER for the WHOLE UNIVERSE . --------- Both are necessary , and could be considered as ( ONE MEDIUM /AETHER ) . :- .

Just a quick thumb nail sketch to be thinking about it ! Mike

I know it would be nice for the mathematicians , for the model to be in maths. But I am not sure if science demands the model to be maths or nothing at all. That limits it to only mathematicians to take part. Cannot I come up wth a visual model , or a mechanical model, or a miniaturised scale model, with things ( made of grit in a bag ) flapping and loose cloths acting as a medium? Is there a strict requirement , it ' HAS ' to be maths . If I make the grit in a bag precise and the cloth of the right texture? Where it works with the cloth medium , but does not work with no cloth medium. (A ) a wave develops B ) it's just a bag of grit , flapping up and down , but does not go anywhere? Mike .

Yes , but I always was told ( much as I personally hate the expression , and idea.) That according to " Popper " . A theory is only valid in science " if it is falsifiable " . And I can not see a way that the LIGO experiment is falsifiable , as you would have to remove all the 'stuff ' between out there billions of miles away to the LIGO project detector to test for false. Which is not possible ? Unless I have got the " popper " thing wrong ( which I personally do not like anyway ) Mike

.Very good perception of the situation , but it's very easy to sidestep from reality to a mathematical life raft, without even noticing the change. I equally find myself in this situation. :- When having a fairly intensive discussion yesterday , face to face with a Doctorate Physics colleague. In desperation I started to use arguments such as " but my intuition , tells me " this just is not right " . ( in desperation that I was loosing ground in the discussion) His remark to this was , as he is also a pilot , if you are flying and you start to loose height drastically , NATURAL , INTUITION, would be to lift the nose of the aircraft UP , in order to ' drive ' the aircraft upwards. QUITE THE OPPOSITE is required, counter intuitively , you need to put the aircraft nose DOWN so as to pick up 'air speed' , to prevent the aircraft stalling , and hence crashing . However , I notice that MIRROR MATTER :- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_matter Uses the word ' mediate ' in its discussion of potential candidates for Dark Matter . There appears to be a whole ' Raft ' of particles ,( pardon the pun ) , that can act as a medium , possibly in existence , that are currently being investigated and actually found . So I am not convinced yet , that the idea of MEDIUM , AETHER for GRAVITATIONAL WAVES is necessarily lost .? Mike

. I do not get it . The test is made with ALL this stuff in place . And it works . But the test has not been tried out without the medium , presumably because it would be impossible to remove , " all of distributed matter in space , between the two colliding black holes , and Everthing in its path up to the final detector " , to see if it still arrived without the medium ? Is it falsifiable ? I am ducking , please do not hit me ! Mike Ps . You are probably right , and I am probably wrong . But ' as sure as eggs ' , when I next go to sea to sail across to ' where ever ' , I am getting in a REAL boat and floating on a REAL medium SEA and setting off on a 1000 mile journey . Happy that I am going to arrive at my destination PORT . You can launch yourself , down a slipway , when the tide is fully out, and hope to goodness you do NOT need the ocean to get anywhere , ( because it is not needed- tee hee) across the 1000 miles of rocky , slimy sea bed , with all sorts of nasties on the way ! Best of Luck , I hope you float across in ' thin air ' . Just a story !