Mike Smith Cosmos

. Well there it is " as plain as day ". As Ophiolite recommended " Get out and look at the lay of the land " It is glaringly obvious :- I don't know how I can be so stupid ! The mean point IS THE SEA SURFACE . And waves are a superposition caused by wind . I am sure it gets quite torturously complex in the deep ocean , however it's all happening at or near the surface . So gravity creates a perfectly spherical surface , which over short and medium distances appears very ,very Flat . . It will be interesting to see if these 'blindingly obvious facts' can in fact lead to any insights on the nature of gravity and it's associated cosmic influences . Or we may have to dig a lot deeper ! Mike

You mean like "King Canute " ! Mike

I am going down to Exmouth or Sidmouth right now ! I need to look to inspire me , just where approximately that mean sea level 'IS'. Then I can think how the peaks and troughs of the sea are oscillating about the 'mean point ' which is NOT THE SEA SURFACE . But perhaps lies above or below the sea surface I am looking at ? Can you make a guess how far up above or below the surface you imagine this to be ? An approximation would be fine , I need to know where to ' Look ' in order to think about it ! And gravitational field lines , you say are , ' perpendicular ' do you mean they are coming up out of the sea? But gravitation is unidirectional . So if the wave peaks are pulled down , as the downward part of their oscillation . What acts as the restorative force to return the waves in the upward direction ? Mike

. O.k. But could that " the mean sea level " be a stable line existing say below the ' actual ' local sea surface ? And does it relate to the supposed field lines of the Einstein gravity model ? As regards " What is problematic with that for you? " . I am looking for a stable , quiet place , to act as a datum for operation , for activity, oscillation, reaction , operation , minimal resistance . ( this is similar to the notion of the ' centre of gravity in a complex solid might be outside the solid or buried deep in its mass ) it could be that , All or some , have to do with the effects of gravity . Particularly those I have given in the opening 'POST ' This is often a pre-revisit for oscillation ( a stable datum , from which to oscillate about. ) quite a few of the examples of observation quoted if not all, 1-5 . Involve oscillation . The quality of the datum is then reflected in the quality of the oscillation . The bonus , would be an insight into ' the nature of Gravity itself ' Mike

. Yes. But where exactly is the " flat " .? Is that the local sea level you would float a row boat on ? Or some average sea level , taken from an average of ALL sea levels taken from around the world . Which just might exist imaginatively one foot under the surface of where we are currently looking . Or is it some local average ( say over a 100 meter circle about the two waves under discussion "high wave , low wave " ) ? My suspicion is that this equilibrium is in fact a ' hidden axis existing all over the sea , probably under the surface , not too far down having some form of ' tie up ' with those lines of gravitational force in space proposed by Einstein . However I am not sure , by any means . If it is ! Then I am approaching the area I am looking for in this thread . ( stable and a quiet , well protected domain , unruffled by turbulence and resistance ) . If this were the case , I could then go looking for this domain in the other four examples. Mike Mike

O.k. Then if it isn't any curvature change , and it isn't any buoyancy . What makes the low dip in the sea come back up , from its all time low , to be level with the rest of the sea? Or, if life is going for it , it goes upwards and onwards to an all time high like the other tall wave , we/I have been talking about? Mike

. Yes I take your points. But what is tugging at all these H20 molecules that are up there on that tall wave . Is it some force coming from distant large mass like the entire Earth? Or is it some cumulative curvature / distortion of space caused by the presence of 'the Earth' , that can be experienced locally by the upraised wave ( with its local accumulation of millions of H2O molecules) all sitting in a distorted space , that makes them want to move downwards a few meters , and then give up as somehow the distortions on space change radically once they drop a few meters to the average sea level? Also what influences that ' low dip' in the sea. Is it Archimedes buoyancy coming in to play , just on that dip . Which stops its action once a level patch of sea is achieved. Or is it yet more Einstein type distortions in space that work so as to cause a flow , so surrounding water, now flows into the void until level with surrounding sea ? Mike

No but say the very high wave , the bit sticking up above everything else , like the rest of the sea , will want to fall toward the surface of the sea, under the pull of gravity , surely , toward the surface . And only when it is down at normal sea level will gravity be neutralised ( I appreciate ,it is not quite like that , but in principle it is. ) But we are getting to the nub here . Because this is all supposed to be Einstein's curved space , and mass moving in these fields , is it not ? Mike

. Yes but it would strike me , that the surface of the wave is not the fulcrum of the balance ( if there is a balance) . Or perhaps it could be viewed as an axis ( somewhere under the surface) about which any oscillation could be deemed to be oscillating about.? And somehow this great high wave is counter balanced by a multitude of little below axis waves? This of course is what I believe was happening in the kids swimming pool .i could actually see , when the single central wave was at its highest point under the foam surf board . The rest of the pool around the circumference was way down from its normal level all around the edge .which would return up to the rim as the single central wave fell toward the centre. Whereupon I would assist with downward pressure . It would then ( as it were ) ' bounce ' back up to an ever improved height! Hence the " wow ! Dad ! Yes I believe there must be some form of insight to find or be had about gravity , I do not know what it is yet , but I feel there must be one or many there as the activity about these five observations is all rather , counter intuitive , beautiful , outside the realm of normal behaviour . Eg when you are normally filling up buckets of water and moving them about the garden to water plants or something ( mix cement ) . It weighs a ton . Here I was orchestrating 15 bucketfuls of water into the air with one hand , with little effort. That has got to be ' beautiful ' to say the least . Similarly the ocean is going about its business in a ........... Way . And so we could go through the other 4 observations and look for interesting insights about Gravity . There is something there ! It's too ... To be not significant . Mike

Where is the surface or otherwise that all these phenomenon are working from ? This ever so level place ? And what is the nature of this surface ? .Yes I see the magnitude difference between the two liquids ( water and petrol ) . However I am viewing it from a floating point of view , not an energy content point of view . Mike Ps . I seem to have asked plenty of questions for Debate . ( Imatfaal ) As well as including information on all 5 observations .Hope that is o.k. ( I was only part way through entering information ) The question that now can be posed where to look for an Insight ? and what is a possible insight. This ' levelness ' seems to be one thing . Also ?? The location , where this is all going on ? And what is it like ' in ' ? There ? Where is there ? Is it a Fulcrum ? Or is it not position orientated?

In recent months I have made 5 observations which are indirectly leading toward a possible theoretical insight into the possible underlying nature of gravity. Although physics is usually concerned with the HOW science works , rather than WHY a certain aspect of the natural world happens the way it does. Nonetheless 'sometimes ' probing the WHY can occasionally lead towards an insight into the HOW something scientifically works the way it does. This could possibly be the case with the observation I have made , with 5 gravity related phenomenon. 1. Many years ago when the children were small, I was able to raise Massive quantities of water , high up in their round swimming pool . Taking water up to nearly a meter , by oscillating it up and down in synchronised pushes and being pushed by the rising water. All with a foam body board, loosely held . Why? 2. Out in deep ocean some massive non breaking waves , can be seen being elevated by the ocean , such that seen compared to the surrounding sea and dips in the ocean water height, it would appear Humongous volumes of water are rising and lowering effortlessly over great heights. Why? 3. Down at the Dawlish ( jurrasic Coast ) two years ago the railway was washed away. When you visit Dawlish in normal times , the sea can be seen sweeping in and out quite silently over 50 meters with a meter deep of sea water in a matter of a quarter of a minute. In and out with a meter of seawater along a 100 meter stretch of seafront. That is a vast, huge , mass of water , moved in and out over 15 seconds. Why ? 4. Ships can be recorded by 'time lapse ' photography . It becomes incredibly noticeable that the ships moving in and out of locks , are moving , In an almost unbelievable level and flat fashion . Why? This short video is an example 5. Since experimenting a few months ago with EULER's disc , I have noticed more than before , that on emptying the dish washer each morning , placing the china plates and dishes in twos or threes randomly , quickly placed temporarily , on the hard granite work top, that :- The pairs , or threes of china plates oscillate , back and forward in a small amplitude oscillation ( gentle clicking) in an almost ' perpetual ' though not quite , as the energy bleeds away through sound and air and contact resistance . But again , like the incredible levelness of the gravity field, we appear to be ' approaching , invisibly a near perfect ' surface ' ( surface of the gravity field ) . Why? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ All these 5 observations point , I believe , to a beautiful, unseen level contour of " gravities' nature " , which remains unseen , but shows its nature through these 5 observations, as well of course through the whole experiential life of existence throughout the whole universe . Is it ? ..the precision nature of this ' levelness ' that I am highlighting here. Can this, in turn lead to a deeper insight into the nature of GRAVITY itself? This then is exploring the WHY it behaves this way, as in addition to all the HOWs surrounding gravity , which are of course well explained and established by Isaac Newton, Galileo, Einstein and others. Although these are WHY questions The questions remain though why do these phenomenons of Gravity behave the way they do with such precision, delicacy, and yet very powerful effects ? Why is/are the underlying fields responsible for GRAVITY , so amazingly LEVEL ? And if understood Can this in any way help us with other not understood questions , HOW issues , as to , :- How Gravity works in these five observations ? Could this give us more insight into Gravity , say surrounding , Dark Matter , Black Holes , Centres of Galaxies, Gamma Rays emanating from the centres of Galaxies etc Mike

I am currently examining : FEELINGS AND MOOD , Particularly as it can be used in the production of Artistic images , (paintings , photos etc. ) . There is science here! As the human body / brain , has used this, and does use this, to good effect to drive both memory and action . We commit to memory things that have ' some ' emotional attachment . Also we react physically , when exposed to induced feelings (say .. Peacefulness, Playfulness, Rage . .. ) Similarly an artist , can contrive to create , a particular feeling , in his or her painting so as to encourage or evoke a particular feeling. There appear to be particular ' MARKS' that evoke particular feelings . The artist is then able to compose a picture accordingly . Thus encouraging the viewer to receive the ' Feeling ' whilst viewing your picture. Here is an image of utter ' peacefulness'. Here , quickly produced ' Marks' of playfulness . Surely this must invoke the feeling of playfulness, sitting in the main square at Bologna , in the sun , with a fiend or two , having a coffee . Mike

.Well by these sequence of figures the area of sea ice is rising marginally . According to your quote , the model says that if sea temperature is rising , then sea ice should by lowering . Link quote " Climate models forecast a general downward trend in sea-ice cover in the northern polar region as temperatures rise." As per BBC :- " Cryosat tracks Arctic sea ice freeze-up" Mike

. It is all to do with :- ~~~~~~~~ EPISTEMOLOGY ( The theory of knowledge ) and ONTOLOGY ( The study of the nature of being ) . And the involvement or otherwise non involvement of :- A PRIORY ( Logic , involving reasoning from cause to effect ) . ~~~~~~~~ So spake great thinkers ( greater men/women , than I ) Citation BOOK ISBN 0-281-05644-7 pages 77-79 ( J. Polkinghorne) Mike

So ! Is NOTHING ... What it says ...Absolutely nothing what-so-ever . and Is SPACE ...... What ,the Nobel prize winner ( 2004) for his work on Asymtotic freedom (. Frank Wilczek ) says in his book " The Lightness of being " That .... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " Space ...is ... A grid , containing a multitudinous composite of things . From quantum fluctuations, to virtual particles , to various fields , including electro-magnetic fields , to name only a few . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Link : http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/2004/wilczek-lecture.html Lecture from MIT re Frank Winczek " The Lightness of being " Link to video lecture MIT: http://video.mit.edu/watch/the-lightness-of-being-mass-ether-and-the-unification-of-forces-anticipating-a-new-golden-age-9423/ If you cannot afford the time to watch it all ( I suggest you do though ) . Then the last 20 minutes ( or even 10 minutes ) of questions , reveal a succinct statement about SPACE NOT BEING EMPTY . Mike

From my small corner :- I understand there is some form of rotational symmetry ' afoot ' which produces a force. This or these are known as "Gauge forces or Gauge symmetry ". Namely we are looking at the same thing from different rotational symmetry, but in so doing we notice, or experience , a force between the two ' views' of the real nature of Reality . So maybe the more fundamental view is ' Electro-Magnetic ' in nature . Then we view or experience the forces from different rotational symmetry , to experience either ' electric ' or ' magnetic ' 'phenomenon' . See Prof Lee Smolin Perimeter Institute (Canada) link :- Guage Theory https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauge_theory Also link :- Prof Lee Smolin . https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Smolin Mike Ps if you like maths " loop quantum gravity " should keep you quiet for a while . Link :- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loop_quantum_gravity

These two videos , although put in a cartoon style of presentation , give amazing insight into the innermost and practical effects of both electric charge and magnetic moment . Very good presentation even though in a light hearted style . It still leaves one wondering what the bedrock nature of electrical charge and magnetic moment really ' IS' ? Mike

.- . Is an - Electro Magnetic Wave - , going to ' punch itself ' out into space or into nothing ? Mike

I am afraid ,I have not got that far ,yet . I have purchased a 7.000 Mhz ( 7,000 Kkz) Xtal . I have yet to build the Power Amplifier Xtal oscillator . I have the antenna copper wire to length , ready to arrange into a single square meter two dimensional arrangement . Then work up to 100 watt input to the Power Amplifier. I have a standing wave meter to measure forward and reflected power in the feeder. Similarly , I intend a receiving antenna ' bunch ' some meters away ( also with a cross section of 1 sq meter ) We will see what received wattage arrives ? Mike

Today, met up with a bunch of Radio Amateurs in a Cafe , weekly meeting . ( in Exeter ) Discussed my project with them . One who stayed behind to discuss in more detail, when I spoke of the Normal antenna being 66 test , but my desire to randomly coil it up into a fistful of copper wire " yes I have transmitted on a ball of wire before " ! After they had all dispersed with the shock of it all , I repeated my experiment with an oscillating small ball of wire , which appeared. to repeat the idea . See attached model The random shaped ,loose wire did not change its frequency , with shape , however did seem to depend on number of turns ! Mike

P.S. The low clouds in question are normally CUMULOUS clouds . The average height as per Wikipedia is approx 3,500 feet . See Wikipedia for more information on CUMULOUS clouds :- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumulus_cloud Clearly showing the Perspective Effect ( V ) in the sky . ( as per looking down a long street of shops on both sides of the road , running away into the distance ) Mike

There was a time when I looked at clouds ' APPARENTLY ' coming towards me 'ish . Sort of glancing off slightly to the side . Only recently I started to take more careful note. They always tended to be glancing off to the side . Odd. Then under careful examination over a short period of time , as I assert aimed the actual direction of movement . They were in fact going a completely different direction . Conclusion ! The clouds only APPEAR to be moving toward me and separating. In fact suddenly I saw! Whichever way I face , they all appear to be doing this splitting into a sort of 'V' . Conclusion ! Perspective works whichever of 360 degrees one observes. What confuses the issue is that the clouds are not always evenly spaced or sized. If you take that into account . The ' V ' of perspective shows through . Q.E.D. I think Mike

You can see on the first few posts on page 9 of this thread , the formation of the V's . Now with the understanding of the ' dead flat ' underside of the cloud layer . If becomes more logical that we would get a perspective ' V' forming . If we consider a receding strait ,level , road with houses , either side of the road . The tops of the houses seem touching in the far distance , whereas the roof tops on opposite sides of the road , get higher and further apart . Forming a 'V' in the sky . So it is that the clouds too form such a perspective 'V' wherever or whichever direction you look . Why this is not obviously perceived, is that the clouds are spurodic in both distance and size, so the 'V' is often nearly lost . But it is there, if you look with an open mind! Ps picture just taken sitting by a stream looking straight forward ! That's not serendipity! That's Science ! Mike

Today ,I flew back from Italy . During my journey I noticed , that the UNDERSIDE of the main clouds , as illustrated in this quoted post , were ALL level . All at identicle levels ( underside ) . On the this return flight , I approached the PILOT of the aircraft , after we had landed in England. Confirmed this phenomenon , suggesting the inversions have something to do with this phenomenon. Although not certain of today's flight , suggested the hight to be around 4000- 5000 feet . As you ascend in the aircraft the point of entry upwards into this first cloud layer , gives a phenomenal sight , as if you were looking on the underside of a huge craft , spreading to the horizon. When seen from the ground level , this phenomenon is pretty completely missing . The random effect seems to take precedence. However , it now becomes perfectly clear WHY the perspective 'V' is always present. As previously stated . Mike