Mike Smith Cosmos

Well ... Not much feedback, so far. ! Maybe you all made an enquiry,.....And you have all been abducted away to some distant Galaxy far away. And I am left here , as the only one remaining ..., All alone ! ....Hmmm...... Help. ! Mike

It is interesting , this whole ( not hole) , subject of the movement and positioning of electrons about a substance ( insulator ,like a balloon , rubber, dielectric ,) and a conductor ( wire, gold leaf , plate in a capacitor ) . One thinks of flow of electrons being together . Yet electrons in some respect want to get away from each other . ( similar charges REPEL ) . That is possibly why they spread out across the surface of the plates in a capacitor. And why they spread out across the gold leaf in a ' gold leaf electroscope ' and the leaves of gold separate to indicate the presence of a charge. Also in a different medium , like a rubber balloon , rubbed on your jumper ( rubber being an insulator like a dielectric ) , has electrons spread out across its surface , so as to make small pieces of paper to jump up to the balloon. Yet . The electrons in a wire conductor or plate are in such a state as to their outer energy bands to be overlapping or very adjacent so as to allow free movement ( without requiring much additional energy ,to move ) , in their conduction band. This enabling them to move easily across the conducting wire or plate. Whereas the electrons in a balloon or dialectric , in their outer energy bands , are not free to move about ( no conduction band ) or at least or requires much, much more energy to reach a conduction band , or conducting condition . It is also interesting that electrons , do not individually move very fast in a conductor ( approx walking speed 3 mph ) it is their effect that moves at nearly the speed of light ! Thus the effect of an individual electron can move about a capacitor plate at nearly the speed of light , but the individual electron or HOLE ( + electric charge absence of electron ) moves fairly slowly approx walking speed 3 mph about the capacitor plate . Although having said that a ' hole' is an effect , as there is nothing actually there [ hole being the absence of an electron ], where there is actually something there in an electron. Humm ! Maybe it is the charge that moves as an effect ! In that case the effect could move at nearly the speed of light , but not the individual electron . You put one electron ( individual electron ) into one end of a conductor ( say a mile long ) , it would be moving physically at 3 mph slowly . Yet it's value of charge would be communicated to the other end of the wire, say a mile away , or conductor at nearly the speed of light . In other words particle like electrons move about with mass relatively slowly in this classical world and effects like photons with no mass move about at the speed of light as an effect in the quantum world . This is your wave - particle duality rearing its head . It would appear from what I have reasoned above , " Nobody is going anywhere fast, but their effect communicated by the change in charge , is going somewhere fast " ( where not fast = 3miles per hour , and fast is approximately the speed of light ) . Mike Ps . The whole ( not hole ) subject has immense relevance for power generation and transmission and for that matter electro magnetic radiation . ( and transmission ) . But that is several orders of magnitude away from capacitor plates . However it has to be said the issues are exactly the same . We pump electrons into an antenna or transmission line in ( " Shedloads of electrons , then back in the other direction in Shedloads , many times a second , with a great deal of giggery pokery" ) . And miracle upon miracle the EFFECT . or Photon ( photons equally in Shedloads ) scoots off at the speed of light . Wow ! That's why I studied electrical, electronics and satellite communications at UNI. Not that anybody is any clearer " what quite is going on ?

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I have raised this issue of charge on a gigantuant scale just recently on this forum . I think there might be something quite fundamental to be had here . The entire standard model of atomic particles is absolutely ridden with charge . I look forward to further discussion with you on ' charge ' Tesla was a good man who investigated charge on a humungous scale . Link : http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tesla_colorado_adjusted.jpg Mike

This thread seems to have been started 7 years ago . The original proposer has not been active for 7 years . With 35,000 views . It is well overdue an answer ? Mike

I am very inclined to ' imagine '. , much like you describe :- Potential ( namely an attractive or repulsive force of immense proportions, Tera Tera Tera Tera etc, electron volts ) , existing , by whatever means . This in a static form , like some colossal globe on a .' Van de graph , electrostatic generator ' as a charge . ( The source of this charge ' God only knows ' possible pun , or no pun. ) The routes of discharge are then found in a myriad of forms over the course of the cosmic history. Taking entropy from ' zero to a maximum ' over the lifetime of the universe. Whether there are reversals of the increasing of entropy overall is / was the subject of another discussion. Suffice to say we see charge appearing in many of the atomic particles , either in + - or neutral charge . Also charge on the move becomes the source of magnetic fields , and visa versa . Electrons and there movement accomplish the distribution of charge , which in turn makes atoms, reactions , and a plethora of changes within the workings of the universe. This monumentus flow of charge through its diversity of channels, routes, swaps and other pathways , could well represent the flow of energy in the universe , thus the change in entropy from zero to a high value. Mike

Has Anybody asked the Question? What was your result ? I have ? Mike PS. Clue . You will need to utilise Serendipity !

It would appear then , if observation is endemic or part of the universe's mechanisms , there is a high probability that :- WE ARE BEING OBSERVED. As that appears to be the way the universe becomes REAL ( as in Reality ) If that is the case , it might behoove us to attempt contact . , ! ( YES. /. NO , HOW ..? ) If the initiative needs to come from us ? We could ask the question ..:- " Is there anybody there ? " somehow ! Mike

----------------------------------------------Hi copy of message sent to your personal message area ( not sure you have received it ) I paint mainly in Acrylic . I have developed this mainly in my retirement. Although I sketched in pencil up through my life , My development of painting in Acrylic , was my retirement project , along with doing personal research in Science . Hence my contributions on the science forum. My profession through my working life has been in the Electronic industry as an Electrical/Electronic Engineer. Would love to compare notes ,about Art . and Art in Science . (should be clear to discuss about now ) Ps yes , it does clear my mind . In fact I find it very therapeutic . You go into some form of 'time warp ' while in the painting experience Edited by Mike Smith Cosmos, 2 October 2014 - 09:28 AM.

. . We are approaching the subject & description, of the - initial - start or source of ENERGY This is because :- If we are considering Energy's , usability and flow . This impinges on the related descriptor of Entropy Then we need to address its initial origin and its ultimate end . Namely its Source and Sink . What are the candidates for the Initial supply of ENERGY ? This will surely dictate the nature of ORDER and ENTROPY ? Is it simply Potential ? Charge ? or What ? mike See Above .

I take your points , but I am not sure if " no evidence they don't " , can be construed ' that they do ' ? In other words we do not know in these circumstances. Yes we can prove it very effectively at a local bench top level as joule and others have proved . I think we are running into really DEEP water when we take some of those fundamental axioms like " the universe is the same everywhere and the laws of physics hold the same everywhere " . I think we are finding many examples as we look out away from the local environment to far away places, that things are not what we expect. Just now they are perplexed with the Sun it's corona is 'quids upon quids ' higher in temperature 1,000,000 k 's than at the surface approx 6000 k energy flowing the wrong way ? Or whatever ? Mike

How do we know they do ? Who is checking up on how much is going out through Dark flow? Who is counting all the virtual particles coming into and going out of existence ? Who can see what goes on inside the event horizon ? Who is keeping count of the movements of dark energy ? Mike

Surely nowerdays we need to concentrate " Energy Conservation " more at a reasonably Local level. What with a sieve like universe which has :- . virtual partials coming into and out of existence , in 'shed loads ' lat a quantum level . Black holes and singularities doing ' heaven knows what ' inside the event horizon . . Strange attractors pulling ' bucket loads ' of galaxies to goodness knows where. As dark flow . . Dark energy of ' gargantuan proportions ' appearing out of nowhere. Etc We seem to have an almost unidentifiable box of tricks that is difficult to define neatly. Whereas there appears to be a lot of local evidence ,with all the classical laws of physics that show :- Locally at least ENERGY IS CONSERVED . MIKE

Interesting idea , but not sure there is any evidence, other than what you propose ,with the Dinosaurs. You could look for other evidence of less gravity , maybe you will make a discovery. Here is a case for more influence in the past for UGLINESS ! An UGLY dinosaur has been discovered with unsightly hands :- see link :- http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/oct/22/bizarre-dinosaur-reconstructed-deinocheirus-mirificus care of The Guardian Mike

links Ruthorfords Experiment with bombarding the Atom discovers the Nucleus . link :- http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/R/Rutherfords_experiment_and_atomic_model.html Proton : made up of ( up and down Quarks) link :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton Neutron : made of ( down and up Quarks ) :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron Up & Down quarks make up Protons & Neutrons :- http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/particles/proton.html Modern Colliders ( advancement on Rutherfords Experiment reveal Quark Gluon Plasma :- http://home.web.cern.ch/about/experiments/alice Mike

I think you may have something here ANT . I was looking at my magnetic toy the other day and I noticed the pieces although holding together in a random shape as shown in the photo below . The three quark shape was very very stable . This seems to fit with the current model of protons and neutrons , composed as they are by 2 up quarks and 1 down quark Or 2 down quarks and 1 up quark . For the two entities protons and neutrons . However the base particle (so far ) is a quark. However as RUTHERFORD when bombarding the atoms found the nucleus bouncing back Alfa particles . So today we are interested in the individual QUARKS . So your model based on quarks may have some mileage . Note the non descripti particle coming in from the left ready to collide with either the 3 quark combination ( say a neutron or a proton ). Or the individual quark , should with very high energy be removed from its very strong three-some combination . Mike

Three quarks hit by an incoming particle . Mike

As we are looking at a construction of quarks here : I listened to this scientist who led the CERN project for some time , discussing the relevance of quarks : ( large hadron collider)! Makes good listening : Link. :- http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b047z8wv Mike

Perhaps I should try this mechanism with the problem of quantum gravity. If dichotomy is two side. Say the science of the very small ( quantum ) , is one side . And The science of the very large is gravity and all the large scale structure of the Cosmos. If we do as you say and transcend , or look from a higher vantage point . By the recconing you suggest we may be able to get a "perspective where both sides can be seen with a greater 'truth' or whole " This thus invokes OBSERVATION , consciousness , intuition , life , . Us as conscious life . Could this be what Prof Roger Penrose is speaking of " as a third area of science " Link :- Longer presentation for those wanting more depth link: Could this be touching shoreline on a new island of scientific understanding ? Mike

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See ' Personal Messenger ' and 'Art in Science' under Other Sciences Mike

The Pierian Spring "A little learning is a dang'rous thing; . Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, '' .............................. ..................more advanc'd, behold with strange surprise New distant scenes of endless science rise! Link :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierian_Spring . Mike

It would appear ,that the Notion of Observation is becoming a HOT topic . This in view of the connection of OBSERVATION in relation to Reality Link :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect_(physics) Simple double slit experiment link :- Longer Video Link :- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkkIvp71P1c Roger Penrose on Reality link :- Roger Penrose on Conciousness :- Mike

Although we can not ignore the scientific fact that reproduction is at the core of many of the processes that have resulted in a universe. The human experience has usually been undertaken in private . A public mechanism of scientific design , was carried out locally in Devon and Cornwall which started off the industrial revolution . The inventor was Thomas NEWCOMEN with the Newcomen Engine . A diagram follows , shown outside the Museum at Dartmouth Devon England . The diagram gives scientific explanation . Both the diagram and the actual engine could both be construed as works of art . The atmospheric engine invented by Thomas Newcomen in 1712, often referred to simply as a Newcomen engine, was the first practical device to harness the ...power of atmosphere expansion. Technical drawing , engine as a machine, technical drawing can all be seen in the context of Art in Science Mike Ps , A few years ago say 10 Years ago , a young 'descendant' of Thomas Newcomen wandered into our Cafe in Ashburton (mid Devon ) , saying he was looking for his 'Roots' . He had come across the Atlantic from Canada or the USA. . I sent him on his way a few miles deeper into Devon to find his Ancestors legacy. The Newcomen Engine . I think it was used in the Tin mines of Cornwall ( in the 1700's ) to pump water from the mines . So started the industrial revolution