Mike Smith Cosmos

That is sort of what I was saying in an illustrative way with the swimming pool a few posts ago. Space or the vacuum is sitting there , not empty but it looks empty. As with the pool ,systematically rotate or oscillate the water and you get vortex and threads. I know it is only a model and not quantitative , but nonetheless incorporates rotation, or spin , and what is more ' quantised ' items . ( rotating items, and threads ) Maybe the goldfish ,can wake up to the fact, that he is not in an empty gold fish bowl , but in water ! Mike

Use of explanatory Diagrams is a useful ART tool in communicating difficult scientific concepts : it is still important to use COMPOSITION in presenting these diagrams . See following example :- This is an illustration of the mechanism of observing REALITY One is led into the picture , by the front door at the bottom of the page ( the short dumpy pencil . Not detracting from the main pencil, and goings on, but by way of front door ,introduction . The line between the two pencil ends leads ( by composition) to the main focus of the picture , the main upright pencil. POINT( note this main focus is roughly at the 'golden section ' [ 3/8 in from right hand edge , 3/8 up from bottom edge ] The eye is led up the pencil and around the rotational circle at the top. ( here rotational symmetry is invariant , and reality is seen . ( outside the universe) The heavy ness of the main pencil is balanced against the " Gods eye view " outside the universe portrayed by the large Diamond at the top. Descending down through the top of the pencil ( where symmetry starts to break ) as the pencil falls to one of the many frames of reference seen in the circle surrounding the base of the pencil. Here via the difference reference frames , such as magnetic field , electric field , gravitational field , colour forces , etc rotational symmetry is variant . Thus reality is not seen through these reference frames. Rather Gauge forces are experienced between the different frames of reference .certainly the main forces of electro-weak , gravitation, strong nuclear. Each having its own distorted ,variant view of reality. One could exit the illustration by the bottom right hand ,frame of reference . Or return to the topmost central position , for an outside the universe view of a total view of invariant Reality . Mike Ps here the different compositional tools are used to help the person viewing the picture to get a good understanding , by correct entrance , positioning , circular tour around the picture , exit or revisit .

Very soon , over the next month Sept 2014 through October 2014 The film THE PRINCIPLE is being released concerning Geocentered (namely the Earth is at the center of the universe , in some way , a special place ) and the Copernican principal ( that the Earth is not at the center of the Universe . Not a special place ) That should make for an interesting debate . It might well precede a paradigm shift and assist in taking a world view to a new Island of knowledge and understanding , including taking science to new regions, hitherto before unknown . Human Endevour. " Moving on from the Island of " New discussion should be encouraged. Some of the big names of Physics and Maths are quoted here ( Michael Kaku , Mark Tegmark ,etc ) As in " the Copernican principle " .". Wa ..hey. , " you should see it go ! " " And still they come , in their thousands ! " " Jump aboard , you Land Lubbers " Mike

The nature of space is surely fluid like . What with the early characteristics of electro-magnetism and ' quark like ' plasma/matter.Thus disturbances by whatever means , quantum fluctuations , or however ' could ' be interpreted as similar to the disturbances of water in the swimming pool illustration above ,. Here both circular , independent entities appear , and thread like structures appear. Be these illuminated ,in this case by light. Is this not what you are saying with your ' quarks' and ' formations ' ? Ant ? Oops ! We have cross contributed. ( posted ) I was thinking of the quark plasma ! At the early time in the universe ! However this was only an observation of how fluid can self organise at the MACRO scale . ( ie ) me in my swimming pool in Italy. Or rather the hose pipe water flow and the sunlight ! I have also observed : That on a sunny day the bottom of a disturbed swimming pool has exactly the pattern of the universe at large . Namely the web like structure of the galaxies as seen at a very ,very large scale . Namely The threads and voids . Structure as seen illuminated on the bottom of a swimming pool on a sunny day ! In bright white of course. Mike

If we are viewing atomic nucii, say quarks . Then we have moved away from Super Symmetry, and the universal 'Gods Eye' Super Symmetric view of reality. If we are viewing via a Frame of reference that enables us to see Quarks in different colours , then we have broken symmetry, Which is fine. But we are not seeing reality, and thus will experience Gauge forces , by way of colour forces. Whether these Guage forces are the colour forces that you say are responsible for making the nuclii the shape they are...You may be right. Maybe thus we do not 'SEE' reality but only a broken symmetry version of reality. ? mike This May or may not have some bearing on the subject Mike Also this . Notice apart from the free standing vortex caused on the surface of the water , there is also a thread appearing , very faint but nonetheless less there . Pointed out both vortex and thread both formed on the 2 dimensional surface , this would surely be also true on a 3 dimensional surface ( 3D x,y,z space )

See above edit quote in post #55

I have introduced waveguides , via a personal memo. I will copy it here : mike

I paint mainly in Acrylic . I have developed this mainly in my retirement. Although I sketched in pencil up through my life , My development of painting in Acrylic , was my retirement project , along with doing personal research in Science . Hence my contributions on the science forum. My profession through my working life has been in the Electronic industry as an Electrical/Electronic Engineer. Would love to compare notes ,about Art . and Art in Science . (should be clear to discuss about now ) Here is a painting in acrylic that I am currently working on , as an illustration of " moving forward in science from the mainland to new islands of science " subject in speculations . Mike Ps yes , it does clear my mind . In fact I find it very therapeutic . You go into some form of 'time warp ' while in the painting experience

Interesting presentation from the BBC . About Plutonium . LINK. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29274491 MIKE

What a look inside one of these vast rivers might have looked like during the late dinosaur era . Courtesy of the national geographic magazine Mike Link http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29143096

Quick sketch as layout looks clearer Mike

I am trying to get my head around this , our new superstructure home. " Laniakea " I assume we are on the Extreme edge of this super cluster, next to the Perseus cluster being pulled the other way. Right hand side. We appear to be flowing toward the Great Attractor Near Centaurus. But where on this diagram is The great attractor ? Is it at the Left Hand junction of the feathery shape ? ( while we are on the extreme right ) Mike

I was so moved when I followed this news item . I felt part of a new community of galaxies . The Laniakea Cluster A huge body of galaxies , as ancient mariners sailed under the starry heavens . Now with the added perception of structures in the skies , I rushed out this afternoon and painted an abstract. ". Sailing among the Stars of the Laniakea Cosmoc Structure " 1 st quick edition . Going to do a massive version with more star details . Mike

EVEN BIGGER STILL [ Ancient Beast - Dinosaur ] DiSCOVERED Link Thanks to U3A administrator Exeter careof the Guardian :- http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/04/battleship-beast-colossal-dinosaur-skeleton-found-patagonia-argentina-dreadnoughtus-schrani Found in Pategonia . far South America ;;; Where did they get all that calcium to produce all those bones ? They must have been chewing at some white cliffs somewhere ! Exposed cretaceous sedimentary rock ? Or maybe the sediment was still in a ' Gloup ' form. Maybe they drank it like some 'super indigestion medicine for growing dinosaurs.' [The Mesozoic times of the Dinosaurs being from the Triassic , Jurassic, Cretaceous periods , ending at the end of the Cretaceous with the end of the Dinosaurs. K-T boundary K = Cretacious T = Tertiary 65 million years ago ] Maybe it was not an asteroid that got the Dinosaurs ! They just Over Dosed on Calcium carbonate gloup ! mike

I take your comments. I think Amanda Gefter has provided a great service to the understanding of the overall view of the universe as a whole. Often the various sections of physics and cosmology have intense research into specific subjects and thus can be blinkered to an overview. By interviewing many of the leading Physicists and Cosmologists worldwide, she has been given glimpses of where " reality " lurks. She was taken by these Gurus of Physics to the External Observer view of the Universe. Here from a hypothetical supersymetric , invariant position BEFORE the first matter broke, she had a peep ( at the view of reality ) at the Universe from outside. Then she was taken to the variant nature of matter and forces after gauge forces and Einsteins Frames of reference , gave the variant broken symmetry we are left with . Here we struggle to rejoin the break of Gravity from quantum and classical Physics. She was privileged to discuss these issues with scientists, that the rest of us would give our eye teeth to do. However she did unearth this issue of Entropy being ZERO somewhere in these nether regions Singularity and Event horizons . Whether this has something to do with 'Wheeler's " The boundary of a boundary is Zero " I am not sure . Mike

Tar Very interesting and thought out reasoning. The BIG QUESTION is , Which is it ? Mike ..... I need to think this through .. ..................Huuum !

Somewhere around the singularity to just outside the event horizon I have come across the idea that Entropy goes to Zero , I am sure I was not dreaming. ( however that is not necessarily impossible ! My dreaming I mean , not the Entropy being Zero ) . There is this thing, however, with Elephants being observed ( by 'Screwed ' and 'Safe ' two observers looking from two different frames of reference , constant velocity and accelerating frames ) falling, or attempting to fall , into a Black Hole Through the Event Horizon that Amanda Gefter has indeed taken up with Stephen Hawkins. !, link :- http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/81748-moving-on-from-the-island-of-human-endevour/page-4#entry824253 mike

It is interesting that under the influence of immense gravitational forces, namely those present around the event horizon of a Singularity ( Black Hole / Origin of Universe/ Big Bang or whatever ) where gravity is bending light to a standstill ,that :- If I understand it correctly? ENTROPY approaches ZERO mike

Do these ' ruminating elephants ' of yours have any symbolic connection to 'Gefters' two elephants ridden by 'Safe' and 'Screwed' observed approaching and or going through an event horizon of a black hole toward a singularity ? And/or do they throw any light on her quest for finding Reality ? Or are you throwing a 'huge, rouge, herring' into the imagery ? mike ps . Mind you , I have not finished the book yet. Maybe you know something that I don't know yet !

. Latest painting of a craft fo sail the high seas of human endevour so as to reach new avenues of physics interpretation of the cosmos . ( see speculations forum ) More substantial craft, than previously used to sail the high seas Currently reading Amanda Gefter's ' Trespassing on Einstein's Lawn ' Mike

We as conscious beings seem to be influencing, - reality - , by our observations. Whether there are conscious beings - 'as it were - , above us', in intellect capacity,is a very interesting and important issue ! The answer to this issue ,'Could ' influence our future ! None, above us, well we carry on as we are, Some , above us , well that could prove to be interesting ! mike

Amanda Gefter in her book " Trespassing on Einstein's Lawn " reports on her research, including her archive work on John Wheeler's Diaries [ " the boundary of a boundary is Zero ] ,. Also she has been reporting on how significant the happenings at Event Horizons around singularities ( including the Big Bang Event Horizon ) offer insights as to Reality . The picture above and the tube could easily illustrate an event Horizon . Apparently , we should consider two different elephants falling into the event horizon. One seen travelling at constant velocity ( frame of Reference ) another accelerating ( reference frame) . One will see nothing happen. The other a wall of inferno fire. One rider of the Elephant is called " Screwed " , the other is called " Safe ", riding his elephant . Quote ( Page 245 Trespassing on Einsteins Lawn . Amanda Gefter ) . Among others, Brockman and Susskind pointed Gefter in the direction of Wheeler's Diaries. Much of her quest for answers on " reality " take her looking at examples of Symmetry Breaking and a look for examples of total " invariance " in order to see " Reality " , if possible ! . Mike

Copernicus may have a point here ! We as humans are so location orientated. Namely I am here and you are over there , and andromeda galaxy is some million or so light years over there , etc etc. So we immediately say the electron in ' there ' or 'over there, Yet at quantum / atomic particle level we meet non intuitive phenomenon which cause us visualisation problems , as to how can sub atomic particles appear to be in two places, or along way away? That's because 'we' can't do that sort of thing . By making an electron a point particle , we invoke infinities , which cause mathematician to run for cover. If sub atomic particles are not like us , namely ' mainly position orientated ' but rather otherwise orientated like ' everywhere orientated ' in some ' wave like way ' mainly , and only put on a position orientation from time to time, or when we demand it by , or something else demands it . But left to their own devices are in fact all over the place ' our place not their place ' . There is such a phenomenon that I came across during being taught maths , about a particular transform into an 's' plane or some other plane , . Where , when you did the transform on anything it always ended up in the identical ,exact place , on the 's' plane , defined as 'beta' . Hence if you transformed back from ' beta' you could appear ANYWHERE AT ALL on our home plane . So if sub atomic , quantum particles had this capability within their nature , they could do precisely what we seem to experience them doing in their wave - particle duality. Much as I hate to bring up the subject of maths as ' she ' hurts , it was something that struck me at the time I was being taught that particular transform . If what Copernicus is saying is that things are not always E-M waves , but PARTICLES sometimes , is in fact correct. But maybe a transform into and back , into this other ' s' plane or whatever transform it was dependant on the requirement put upon the entity . This does remind me of the sc-fi film of my youth called ' return of the fly ' . Where a fly , got in the machine that transformed people to enable them to be transported. A fly got in the machine , and the man got put back together in a part human part fly form . I digress . Mike

Your first comment " You have a way of using Physics to explain how human endeavour copes with making new discoveries - in short the human interaction of consciousness and how it interacts with the physical environment. Am I correct " No . I was putting it the other way around. The island was a metaphor for, the sum total of all human endeavour / occupation and knowledge . I was suggesting , that to make future scientific progress in knowledge and understanding, particularly in physics , it is as if we need to take on a totally new and different paradigm . Thus " so different ,as to be represented by a sea journey to a whole new set of different style of physics ideas ,represented by a new island surrounded by 'as yet ' not understood physics and knowledge. There is a reluctance to make this journey , as we may get our feet wet, capsize, or some other struggle , as we are likely to be in new uncharted waters. Mike Ps Roger Penrose ideas of micro tubules in the brain are new and exciting . This of course partly brings in the consciousness . As does the anthropic principles , observation, observers , and the like . I did discuss " tubes of opportunity in another thread , being indigenous , in the nature of reality " This picture represents the entrance to such a tube of opportunity . Two of the requirement for entry to these tubes is 1: an initiative 2: a particular format of tube , with zero or minimum resistance down the centre of the tube. Link :http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/72758-a-lingual-theory-of-everything/?p=758950 I have made further progress , as to the requirements at the entrance to the tube of opportunity .

Reality :- http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00548dl Quantum gravity :- http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00547c4 Consciousness:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p005464j ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ It would appear there is not just an increase in individual new discoveries and ideas that are required. Rather there is this GAP between Quantum Physics of the very small with all its strangeness and the Large Classical Physics around human experience and out into the Universe at large . It seems to include this idea of a Physics Theory involving atomic forces being unified in a common physics theory. There is the ideas of theories, dealing with the nature of reality itself and a General theory of everything going from nothing to everything . There is the issue of Observation and Consciousness. . There is the issue of The Anthropic Principle,* ( things seeming to be 'just right ' for human occupation ). And more . --------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- Mike * Definition..Anthropic ...link:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle