Just the Facts

"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education" -Albert Einstein. I'm sorry to offend anyone but...Albert Einstein was simply Wrong. After you realize this.. he appears to be a complete delusional fool. Forget that so called education you think you got.. it was a waste of time and money. It was the equivalent to learning all the details of the life of Superman. What value does that offer. If anyone here has a genuine interest in LEARNING.. go learn from these guys. They got it right. http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/index.php

Trust me... from what I have seen here. Nobody knows anything worth knowing. Ray Comfort with his silly banana theories makes these fellows look like Autistic Three year olds, Trying to explain science. TOO FUNNY!!

Just as Gravity has No connection or effect on light, Time has No connection or effect on space. I can’t help but think some of you dudes are CLUELESS.. You can thank Einstein for that. He infected a lot of people with his delusions. Hawking is his own separate form of INSANITY on Display.

What do you all have in common with Christians? I know....Delusional Insanity Prevails.

This place is titled... "SCIENCE" Forums???? Really? This forum is a sad and shameful example of Ignorance On Display. Along with a Nazi syndrome power trip on censorship. This place is a JOKE. Your refusal to be told you’re WRONG is Pathetic. If you have serious doubts about electricity… go stick your finger in a light socket. WHY…WHY WHY…would anyone exclude something that RULES on planet earth. WHY…WHY… WHY…would anyone think that electricity doesn’t exist throughout the entire universe. Does Earth have some kind of special unique physics? NO. The Einstein crowd has that covered. I will leave you silly buffoons to your follies in virtual reality. I’ll go chat with the REAL intelligent folks at the Thunderbolts forum site. I DARE any of you Nit Wits to go there for a schooling. Where Knowledge Is Paramount. Truth is a Principle. And Open debate is encouraged. Not stomped into a Black hole. You guys are Hopeless Fools in my humble analysis. I have met Mules with more commonsense than anything I see from you AstroNurds. Einstein was an IDIOT FOOL. But he sure fooled you guys. TOO FUNNY!! All your abstract math equations add up to STUPIDITY There is apparently No Credible Intelligent life at this place. I'm Out Of Here. Remember where you heard it.. I TOLD YOU SO!! Good Day

I see your problem. it's reverse thinking syndrome. No No No... light wouldn't/couldn't exist without the plasma and electricity in the universe. You can forget it if you please. I’m totally indifferent about you. You can fly to a theoretical Black Hole and jump in. Sorry…No Offence meant.

PERFECT. I say the same to you. I completely understand the Plasma Electrical physics behind the universe. Many, many others do as well. You are lost in the 19th century. Absurd.. To say the least.

The speed of Light and the electric universe can not be disconnected. They are basically one in the same. One wouldn’t exist without the other first being true.

I started this thread. I suppose I can't make any comment I feel is relevant. That's really a sad state to be in. Is this a dictatorship? The fellows at the Thunderbolts Forum make this place look like a second grade classroom. That’s where a real education can be found.

Can anyone here attempt to use math equations to describe the process of way water ripples when it is stimulated? NO.. Of course not. But I’d LOVE to see you try. Math can’t explain why a Bear shits in the woods, or why it stinks. Math in Not the answer to everything. Nature is.

Hi The entire universe is a display of this principle in action. All light is/does the same thing. Light is nothing more than a reaction in the substance (ether/plasma/space) when stimulated by an energy source, such as the sun. Light waves have physical properties and moves at variable speeds depending on the strength of the source, and the density of the medium it is moving through. If it got any easier to understand, third graders would be teaching it. There is nothing bazaar about light physics, only Einstein’s ideas about it. Einstein did a Whack Job on physics that has lasted for nearly 100 years. What a shame. Light is NOT Photon Particles moving at a fixed rate of speed. That idea becomes absurd when you understand the true physics and nature of light and energy.

It's called sarcasm. You missed the point entirely. You made my point again for me. Time is a simple concept only. There is a universal clock that can't go faster or slower. You can break it up into any size increments you like. We use 24 hrs because of obvious reasons. It can't be measured any other way. Time has absolutely NO Connection to space. The more I have learned about Einstein.. The more I’m convinced he was an IDIOT. With a wild imagination… like Hawking.. Kaku… many others.

Debunking the critics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhyHCj_cVKk&feature=related The difference between a Creationist and a believer in the Big Bang is that the Creationists admit they are operating on blind faith... Big Bang believers call their blind faith "theoretical mathematical variables" and claim to be scientists rather than the theologists they really are. http://www.thunderbolts.info/online_videos.htm “From the smallest particle, to the largest galactic formation, a web of circuitry and the electric force connects and unifies all of nature. Organizing galaxies, energizing stars, giving birth to planets, and on our world, controlling weather and animating biological organisms. There are no isolated islands in space” -- Wallace Thornhill Plasma Physicist. Speaking about the LHC… “They don’t know what they’re doing, but I wouldn’t be too worried. It’s just a total waste of money really” -- Wallace Thornhill “really it comes back to commonsense. You don’t have to be a mathematician to understand the electric universe. It’s based on observation, it’s based on electrical engineering principles and experiment. All these things that science is supposed to be based on. Not on theoretical mathematics” - Wallace Thornhill Speaking on the Big Bang…“In the mainstream science community, you set up your narrative, which is not to be questioned. Otherwise you’re excommunicated or dealt with by those who look after the story” - Wallace Thornhill The critical thing in understanding the electric universe is to understand that we are connected electrically. There are electric currents flying through everything, through the universe. I think we have to really reexamine Einstein’s work, and practically those who followed him, without question. Because I think they’ve bequeved us a Alice In Wonderland Universe” How, light travels through space is simple. Neutrinos are the either, they are the substrate , they’re the material that waves when a light wave travels through so called empty space. Or when radio waves travel through space. Therefore the speed of light is a characteristic of the medium. It’s a characteristic of the neutrinos. Light travels at different speeds in different mediums. So that’s all it is. Light is a disturbance in the medium. it’s as simple as that. You need a medium for a wave to pass through. You can not have a perfect vacuum. It’s not a particle. You don’t have to invoke particles in an electric universe model, because then you run into this crazy situation in physics where one experiment you talk about light as being a photon, a particle, and in another one it has to be a wave. You can’t have it both ways. A photon is a so called virtual particle. In other words it’s one invented to try to explain what is observed. And that is the transfer of energy from one atom to another at a distance, but only in packets of just the right amount. It can’t be more or less, it has to be just the right amount. It’s an invention based on quantum theory. And quantum theory is virtually a mathematical recipe book, with no explanation in physics, in reality, so they invent particles where necessary to explain things, but these particles have no real existence. The physicist don’t know what it is. Neither do the people who talk confidently about it. When you look at Einstein work, it doesn’t make sense. It’s as simple as that. There’s been thousands of books written trying to explain Einstein’s theories. Einstein took appearances and postulated them as real. As a result we ended up with science fiction. Einstein’s theories are wrong and quantum theories are based on a non physical model. The universe is plasma To ignore plasma characteristics when you pass electricity through it is a huge mistake and a huge mistake currently in astrophysics. Astronomers look at things they see with telescopes and they have no idea what they’re looking at. So we get really strange and impossible explanations. Which are publish in the papers and magazines and it’s just science fiction. We have to get rid of all the myth’s and legends and fairytale stories that underpin our present science. I now know and understand the answers to the most important questions man has ever asked. I always ask these ten questions when considering any issue. Who, What, Where, When, Why, How, Is it True?, Is it Real?, Is it Possible in the laws of physics as we know them? Does it exist anywhere other than just the Human Imagination? Sometimes questions are more important than answers

Time and Space have no Beginning and no End. They are boundless and continue infinitely. If someone says there was a beginning to Time, ask them what was going on ten minutes before Time began? If someone says there is a moment when Time will end, I will say I'm going to be ten minutes late for the ending ceremonies. Time can not be bent, curved altered or dilated. Time travel is impossible and will never happen. Nothing can go forward or backwards in time. Only in the human imagination are such things thought possible. Not in the real physical world. Time is a constant continuum of itself. Time is merely a concept. There was never a time before time. Some people believe time is a dimension that exist. I don't believe that is true. If you believe that time is more than a concept, I'll ask you to go get a bucket full of time and bring it to me. Can you put your finger on time? All you can do is imagine time is going by. Time goes by only because we believe it does. Man conceived the idea of time as a means of measuring how long things take. Go ask a cow what time it is. You will find that the cow knows nothing about time, and doesn't care. I think I'll put some time aside today that I can use tomorrow.

I believe I'm in the correct forum for this thread. It is Modern, Theoretical about the Physics of light. So... I believe light is a plasma phenomenon. The light travels through stimulated plasma and travels as far as the source will sustain. It is the overall strength from the source that determines how far… and how fast the light travels. There is no “Speed Limit” to light. It is a reaction process. Like a child on a swing. The harder you push, the faster they go. The brightness, distance and speed light travels is variable depending on this factor. The reaction is to the heat created by the source. The more heat, the more light it makes. It is only plasma after all. It doesn’t have any restrictions on how fast it can react. We are limited in our physical ability to measure light at such great speeds. 　 BTW… most unexplained light phenomenon seen in the sky is plasma light effect from varying atmospheric conditions. Not a UFO. That's why sometimes it is said to move so fast. Light travels similar to ripples in water. They go out in all directions unless something blocks it and then it reflect off and changes direction. Like water, it is not the exact same particles that travel the distance, it is particles being push along like a domino effect. It all is dependent on the source.

I agree that this year has great potential to make new strides in our knowledge/understanding of the universe. I am certain the gains will be made in the Plasma Physics and Electric model over the current gravity based theories. Hold on to your seats.. The future in coming, like it or not. For some of us, it's already here.

Consider these facts…. Planet earth has life on it ONLY due to these simple conditions. First, the planet began to cool down after being encompassed by massive amounts of electrically charged atmosphere. As it cooled, and crust formed. The exhaust into the atmosphere of C02 coming from the burning of carbons resulted in a Biomass developing on the surface like moss on a rock. This biomass covered the entire planet. The biomass absorbed the C02 and released a variety of gasses such as oxygen. This condition eventually lead to Hydrogen mixing with Oxygen and water was produced. Then water was produced in massive amounts and began to form a rain condition that lasted for thousands/maybe millions of years. This lead to other life forms taking hold and the evolutionary process was in full ahead mode. The only reason any of this occurred was because Earth is fortunate to be at the right distance from the Sun, and has warmth from within. If the Earth was just five degrees less or more in average temperature, everything would not have happened like it did. Virtually every other rock in space we have examined shows no sign of life, or the conditions necessary for a carbon based life form to develop. I place the percentage of planets with life at no more than ten percent. . .if that. Now.. Consider this... Intelligent Life. As rare as this planets atmosphere is, intelligent life is far more rare. There are literally billions of life forms on this planet. Most have already become extinct. How many of them would we refer to as Intelligent Life? Only us Humans make that grade. No other form of life has reached the threshold of intelligence and knowledge like we have. I believe the possibility of other intelligent life out in space to be no more than one tenth of one tenth of one percent… if that. NOW… Consider this... Spacecraft. It took us about a few million years to evolve to where we are. It took thousands of people to design our own spacecraft. It took many various materials that we have CREATED from our natural resources. Such as glass and rubber and alloys. It took thousands of people working in harmony to build our spacecraft… as simple as it is. We have barely left our own atmosphere, and can’t stay away too long. We have no real chance at exploring any further except with satellites and other information collecting tools. There is not the tiniest bit of credible evidence that any life form has ever landed on this planet. No aliens managed to navigate through all the space debris from light years away, just to crash land on a power pole in Roswell N.M. No aliens have ever abducted any farmers from Wisconsin, just to do a Rectal exam on them and then leave. No aliens have come here just to copy us human making Crop Circles in a hay field in England. No alien is ever going to find the gold album we sent up in space and play it on their Victoria. I agree with Don Henley from ”The Eagles” when he said… “They're not here, they're not coming”. Aliens are like Ghosts, when you see a real one, bring him over to my place, I’ll have some questions to ask them. We must except the fact that we are here on planet earth… and won’t be getting any visitors from outer space. Call us… Lucky to be here.

I have a very realistic understanding on how science works. That’s why I know the LHC is a waste of time and money for the little dribble of information they might learn from that massive waste. Just who really benefits from this knowledge they claim will change the world of science. Not you or I. Nothing tangible will come from it. Follow the money. It is a vain pursuit of recognition, award and money by a small group of individuals with way too much influence. Just like Einstein was. KUDOS to you. Perfect.

The LHC Project. I completely understand what they are attempting to find. It will result in massive FAIL. (already has) All the time and billions spent on building something that will never prove anything worth knowing. I am certain that within the next ten years the whole thing will be disassembled and sold for scrap. Then they will use the place for some expensive fancy Condominiums. In the mean time... somebody's making a ton of money on it.

Nice post. I liked the points made. In my own little world of experience, I’d say one good way to spot “pseudoscience” is anything associated with Einstein, Hawking and Kaku. ..if a special geometry has to be invented in order to account for a falling apple, even Newton might be appalled at the complications which would ensue when really difficult problems are tackled.” -- Sir Oliver Lodge, 　 Some other comments I agree with. Various sources. 　 Gravity is the most familiar force. We are subject to it every day of our lives. Newton gave us his ‘law of gravity,’ which describes its effect but doesn’t explain it. “I frame no hypotheses,” he wrote. Einstein wasn’t so prudent when he introduced his “postulates.” Unfortunately, his unreal geometry doesn’t explain gravity either. The usual demonstration using heavy steel balls on a rubber sheet to represent ‘gravity wells’ relies on gravity as its own explanation! The fact that we do not understand gravity in this space age should cause alarm. Our cosmology — our view of our situation in the universe — is based on a mystery! The ‘big bang’ is a monumentally expensive work of fiction. We missed a chance to include electricity in astronomy in the early 1900s. Birkeland was performing his electrical ‘little Earth,’ or Terrella, experiments in Norway, and Gauss and Weber were discovering the electrical interactions of matter. Today, physicists labour under misconceptions about the nature of matter and space; the relationship between matter, mass and gravity; the electrical nature of stars[2] and galaxies; and the size, history and age of the universe. So when astrophysicists turn to particle physicists to solve their intractable problems and particle physicists use it as an excuse for squandering billions of dollars on futile experiments, neither party recognizes that the other discipline is in a parlous state. “After all, to get the whole universe totally wrong in the face of clear evidence for over 75 years merits monumental embarrassment and should induce a modicum of humility.” “The Standard Model of particle physics would appear to fail in nearly every possible way, and all of its failures seem to stem from the early 1930s. By all indications science seems to have taken a wrong turn about this time. After three hundred years of progressively simplifying the description of the universe, with fewer entities and simpler laws, it suddenly turned the other way, with complexity and entities multiplying like rabbits.” “We are about to enter the 21st century but our understanding of the origin of inertia, mass, and gravitation still remains what has been for centuries - an outstanding puzzle.”[ How has this situation arisen? In the 20th century technology perfected wireless communication and computers and got man into space, while fundamental science fell deeper into a ‘black hole’ of complication, illogicality and metaphysics. I consider the principal cause has been the usurping, since Einstein, of natural philosophy and physics by theoretical mathematicians. Meanwhile Einstein, perhaps to his credit, remained skeptical of his own work. I have always found it instructive to read what past luminaries of science thought of a radically new idea. The free exchange of opposing opinions is later stifled by the bandwagon effect. Science, like all human endeavors, is subject to fads and fallacies. When controversy was still tolerated over Einstein’s theories, Sir Oliver Lodge, a noted Fellow of the Royal Society, wrote in Nature on Feb 17, 1921: “..what is really wanted for a truly Natural Philosophy is a supplement to Newtonian mechanics, expressed in terms of the medium which he suspected and sought after but could not attain, and introducing the additional facts, chiefly electrical—especially the fact of variable inertia—discovered since his time… If we could understand the structure of the particle, in terms of the medium of which it is composed, and if we knew the structure of the rest of the medium also, so as to account for the potential stress at every point—that would be a splendid step, beyond anything accomplished yet.” This is precisely the Electric Universe view. Natural Philosophy has withered in its confrontation with the modern fashion of mathematical metaphysics and computer games. Most of the ‘discoveries’ now are merely computer generated ‘virtual reality’ — black holes, dark matter, dark energy, etc. The computer models are constructed upon a shadowy kernel of ignorance. We do not understand gravity! Einstein in his special theory of relativity postulated there was no medium, called the ‘aether.’ But Maxwell’s theory of electromagnetism requires it. And Sir Oliver Lodge saw the aether as crucial to our understanding. So Einstein, at a stroke, removed any possibility that he, or his followers, would find a link between electromagnetism and gravity. It served the egos of his followers to consecrate Einstein’s ideas and treat dissent as blasphemy. “Sometimes a concept is baffling not because it is profound but because it's wrong In another thread I was asked by a MOD a question related to a different thread. When I answered his question, the thread gets locked because he said I opened up the thread topic again… what’s up with that logic. That kind of reaction is questionable. I’m starting to feel like Galileo, and this place is the catholic church.

I can describe Time Travel with one word… Impossible.

Hi Cap’n, Good Day to you. I assume you’re a Mod. So far you seem to be a nice fellow, reasonable. I have posted links to sites that do a fine job of explaining the new conclusions I speak of. It is much more efficient for anyone interested to go get the facts right from the main promoters of these ideas. I took the time necessary to learn this info. That is why I am certain they are correct. Nothing is concrete in the science world., except the Earth is round. Most everything else is still on the table for analysis and debate. Here are three of the best sites. There are several on the web. I didn't make these sites myself, they have plenty of others behind them. I get the weekly e-mails and forum comments from The Thunderbolts Team. There are a ton of people on the Team. http://www.thunderbolts.info/home.htm http://www.electricuniverse.info/Introduction http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=89xdcmfs One should never fear being wrong. Only being wrong and not realizing it. I used to be wrong. Now... I am fearless on this issue. Have an Open Mind. A closed mind lets in no light. See the light.

I know.. What a shame. Kaku is like Peter Pan trying to convince us that Never Never Land is a real place. Some people treat him like he's Superman, and can leap tall buildings with a Tall Tale. College is too expensive. I wouldn’t waste a dime of my money learning that kind of silliness.

What you have stated here is precisely my point. There are thousands of very credible researchers that are certain the theories on gravity are complete nonsense. Yet you refuse to consider these people as valid scientist/researchers. You seem to think I know nothing about the science process. Like I’m some kind of new kid with a new toy. That’s simply not the case. I have been studying this subject for over twenty years. That’s why I know the gravity theories are dying. They can’t come close to being proved. At one time I believed all of the same junk science you still do. Fortunately for me, I discovered a much better model that makes much more sense. I am not alone by any means. My ideas don’t match your ideas.. So I MUST be wrong. I say you MUST be wrong. The best point you made is…. “I always hope that people learn from the criticism their idea gets and the new knowledge they may gain from reading about what is wrong with their ideas‘. I completely agree. I also completely agree with this... “Today, nothing is more important to the future and credibility of science than liberation from the gravity-driven universe of prior theory. A mistaken supposition has not only prevented intelligent and sincere investigators from seeing what would otherwise be obvious, it has bred indifference to possibilities that could have inspired the sciences for decades." David Talbott and Wallace Thornhill

As you can clearly see, I haven’t pointed the finger at anyone at this site. I hope that won't ever be the case. The mods have their job to do. I understand that. I have been given a few warnings and my thread dumped in the trash for what I consider pettiness and over management. I haven’t deliberately offended anyone here, or used bad language. Yet my simple debate isn’t tolerated. We all have a conscious. I don’t clutter mine with a feeling of power over any others regardless of their opinions. This is America. Free Speech is how we got to be America.