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I can respect your thought. But.. It seems the moderators may not like you posting mere thoughts, unless they agree with the current ruling class. I happen to invite all thoughts… especially the ones I don’t agree with. That is the foundation of any good debate. SO.. Keep thinking and share your thoughts often. Good Day.

<br /><br /><br /> Respectfully. I can appreciate Mr. Kaku’s attempts to gain more interest in the sciences. I respect the institutions that give him a platform to present his ideas. I have viewed many of his offerings and know what he has put out for consideration. I happen to believe that the great majority of his ideas are pure fantasy… at best. He creates places that are not real. He lets his imagination create all sorts of absurd concepts with no connection with reality. He calls himself a “Theoretical Physicists“. I prefer to call him an opportunist that takes full advantage of his notoriety to gain a status and income he doesn’t truly deserve. I can’t agree with any of the bazaar nonsense he has put out and convinced some people that it is real. It is real silly. Science can do without such distractions from real science research. He is a waste of time. BUT.. he does have a nice hair doo and accent. far what that's worth.

Good Day to all. Respectfully…. I don’t know anyone here at this site. Nothing personal is meant by these remarks. I try to remain friendly and respectful to all. I have been at too many various forums to be too concerned about what happens at anyone of them. I do like this site…. so far. I find it quite unfortunate that in some cases the Moderators at forums like this too often think of themselves as the Great Gate Keepers of science. They attempt to keep out any ideas that aren’t in Lock Step with their own beliefs, or of the so called majority. Instead of being “FREE THINKERS” they become more like Nazis trying to maintain the accepted status quo. They try to stomp all objective thoughts into the ground. It amounts to Censorship they way they conduct themselves. NO self respecting scientist would act that way. ALL ideas should be put open on the table for consideration, examination and debate. Some say that opinions are like assholes, everyone’s got one. Some opinions are like diamonds in the ruff., and they can change everything we think we know. I know how me making this comment will be taken personally by some moderator and I’ll be reprimanded or even BANNED soon. Just for expressing an honest opinion or a different view. They too often have a hair trigger finger on the ban button. Thin skinned. If you can’t tolerate an opposing opinion, you shouldn’t be a moderator at all. It is a very SAD state of affairs we are left with. I personally would NEVER ban anyone unless they persist on using profanity or personal attacks. (left to personal perspective to determine) I would promote all ideas as valid for debate. The civilized exchange of ideas should never be held back by personal bias. This site, and most all other web forum sites make money off of ad sales, based on hits or total comments left at the site. I offer plenty of hits and stir up plenty of debate. I really don’t expect to remain here very long. We shall see. Have a Very Nice Day Just The Facts

With all due respect... Many Kudos to the people responsible for this interview. The questions were good and some of the answers were rather surprising coming from Mr. Comfort. But in the end we do have this… “Behold the Banana, the atheist worst nightmare” - Ray Comfort Using apples and bananas to prove intelligent design is really sad. Of coarse we all know Ray Comfort is a Delusional Lunatic. But then.. So is Machio Kaku. Religion or Pseudoscience… not much difference.. Is there.

It is time for a new and realistic view of the universe. There are thousands of intelligent credible researchers that are certain Einstein was all wrong. They know his gravity theories are flawed in too many ways to even be possible. It is the Hardcore old school guys who refuse to consider any other possibilities. They can’t handle thinking they may be entirely wrong, and have wasted so much time and money learning something that is false and erroneous. I see it at several forums. They are usually around twenty something. Still too young to see the error of their thinking. Too arrogant to accept a new approach to the questions we all, seek the answers to. I am personally certain that Einstein will soon be thought of in the same class as Ray Bradberry, just another Science Fiction writer with no real connection to reality. The name Einstein will no longer be considered genius., but more like a crazy guy trying to win a prize by fooling everyone with his nonsensical theories. Even the man himself knew he was wrong…. “As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality” - [Albert Einstein] And the people who still insist he was right…. "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." --[Albert Einstein] The so called mainstream astrophysics crowd have literally wasted nearly 100 years of time promoting a bad theory. What a Shame. BUT.. fear not, there is hope for the future, it is in the study of Plasma and electric currents in the cosmos. be patient the future is coming on fast. Sorry if this offends anyone. the truth sometimes does that.

Your god shares something in common with Einstein. Your god fails to use the electricity he created in his universe in a commonsense manner. Einstein failed the commonsense to even consider electricity in the universe. Not too bright I’d say. Us humans learned how to make electricity dance for us. We use it for most everything in our lives. What does that make us? Thank You Mr. Tesla. You're welcome on the meaning of life thing. That's an easy one. Have a Splendid Godless Day There are many things that billions of people claim is true and real. It is a case of the minds imagination taking a place in front of rational thought. The most notable of these creations are gods, ghosts, Satan, angels, heaven, hell, alien life forms abducting humans, black holes. They all share one thing in common… one is as real as the next one is. Life goes on.

The top quote in your post is NOT from me. I don’t know where you got it. The photo shows absolutely NO sign of any light bending. It shows massive amounts of Electric stimulus happening everywhere and lighting up the universe. No Black Holes can be seen anywhere. The photo also reviels the fact that there is NO Intelligent Design anywhere in the universe. Simply random electric activity. So much for gods omnipotence. Electricity is the Unconscious God. Your Math can't explain it. Let me ask you this…. If the dark empty space we see is NOT Plasma, what is it? Dark Matter?, Dark Energy? The best Mainstreamers can’t adequately explain or find either of those failed theories. It is simply transparent plasma in a neutral state unless stimulated by some electric activity. Not all the particles are moving around as you suggested. You can call it whatever you like. It is still the most fundamental form of energy and matter. It is everywhere. If you believe your fabricated conceptual god is responsible for what we can see in the photo above… well that’s just plain Crazy. If that amounts to Intelligent Design… your god is an Idiot.. Buffoon. As for this.... Why, Mr. Anderson, why? Why? Why do you do it? Why? Why get up? Why keep fighting? Do you believe you’re fighting for something? For more than your survival? Can you tell me what it is? Do you even know? Is it freedom or truth? Perhaps peace? Could it be for love? Illusions Mr. Anderson, vagaries of perception. Temporary constructs of a feeble human intellect trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meaning or purpose. The Meaning of life can be summed up with just one word... Opportunity. You have the opportunity to make your life mean anything you like. Have fun. Life is a Once In a Lifetime Opportunity.

The light going through a prism or fiber optics does not actually bend per say. It is merely reflecting in a more controlled or directed manner due to the glass. It is more of an illusion of bending, but not the real thing.

“For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Until something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination, we learned to talk”…”Keep Talking”…[Pink Floyd] 　 Plasma has many different descriptions because it changes form with every slight stimulus. It is what fills the entire universe. As if we were in the middle of the ocean 300 feet down, we would be entirely incased in water. All the planets and suns are surrounded with plasma. Only when a planet emits it’s own atmosphere is the plasma displaced. The plasma mixes with all the other gases and creates a unique atmosphere to each planet. Most planets have no C02 being created from within, and no life forms creating a variety of different gasses such as Oxygen. IF Earth stopped producing these various gases, the plasma would fill in and replace our entire atmosphere. It is the plasma that contains all the energy that produces all life, all electric currents and magnetic fields. We are alive only because of this energy in the plasma. Our bodies breath it in and processes it. Most of you had no clue that is happening… but it’s true. Remove the plasma, and all life dies. The following is from our friends at wiki... It is a close enough definition. In physics and chemistry, plasma is a state of matter similar to gas in which a certain portion of the particles are ionized. The basic premise is that heating a gas dissociates its molecular bonds, rendering it into its constituent atoms. Further heating leads to ionization (a loss of electrons), turning it into a plasma: containing charged particles, positive ions and negative electrons.[1] The presence of a non-negligible number of charge carriers makes the plasma electrically conductive so that it responds strongly to electromagnetic fields. Plasma, therefore, has properties quite unlike those of solids, liquids, or gases and is considered to be a distinct state of matter. Like gas, plasma does not have a definite shape or a definite volume unless enclosed in a container; unlike gas, under the influence of a magnetic field, it may form structures such as filaments, beams and double layers. Some common plasmas are stars and neon signs. The following are all NOT REAL The Big Bang The Big Crunch Time and Space "Foam“ Worm Holes Time Bending Time Travel Black Holes Parallel Universes Dark Matter Dark Energy String Theory. 10 or more Dimensions Space warping or bending Some kind of Fabric is some part of the Universe Light bending due to gravitational pulls Any Suns burning from the inside. The existence of an Intelligent Designer. Any Creator Gods Peter Pan and Tinkerbell Superman Pure Silliness. All we call life comes from..…Carbon Hydrogen Oxygen Nitrogen with just the right amount of Electricity to bring it all to life. The best friends that ever met each other.

Good Day Mr. Sagan also said this.... “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence“ - [Carl Sagan] I agree with your view on this issue. But mankind has just begun to realize our potential. After all... we are just APES. “For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Until something happened which unleashed our imagination, we learned to talk”…”Keep Talking”…[Pink Floyd]

Well.. You’re not the friendliest fellow on the block are you. Don’t put words in my mouth and assume anything. I never said anything about the issues in your second column. DARWIN IS GOD. EVOLUTION IS A FACT. The age of the planet is questionable but I won’t argue that. I know it was once in a state of electric charge and is now cooling down from it. I never mentioned Biology. Have you actually read anything I have posted? Or do you make up my words for me? As far as Plate Tectonics go… after this planet started to cool due to a reduction in electric activity, the planet was at one time covered completely with a crust. Due to the burning of carbons, a discharge of C02 in the Atmosphere formed, with many other gases, this caused the life we see as vegetation to spring up everywhere, like a blanket of biomass. This caused a change in the atmosphere due to the biomass absorbing the C02 and converting into a different and new gas we call oxygen. The massive amount of this new gas caused the natural and unique blend of Hydrogen and Oxygen to produce water. The creation of water on the planet caused the crust to split up and drift apart. The planet continues to produce new C02/Oxygen/Water every moment. It can’t be stopped. If this planet were not nicely between 32 degrees (Frozen) and boiling point, we would not be here at all. And in case you haven’t noticed… fossils are everywhere. As far as throwing out anything.. You’re throwing out electricity, even as you use it to make your misguided comments. Don’t feel bad, the Great Einstein did the same thing. As for the top items on gravity... YES that is what I am saying. I am certainly not alone. There is an army of thinkers going the same direction. The church hated hearing the Earth was not flat. You'll get over it.

The universe is filled with flying debris of various matter. It is most certain an asteroid. A Rock. I personally am certain that no alien life forms in any kind of space craft as ever come to this planet. Every piece of evidence I have ever seen has been nothing that proves anything. At this point, all stories of alien life are manmade concepts and imagined delusions. There is not the slightest real evidence that anything has ever landed on Earth that was intelligent, or had a self awareness/consciousness. There is no reason to think that any life anywhere is more intelligent than us humans. There are billions of various life forms right here on earth, Only one that we call Intelligent… US. There may be various forms of Carbon based life out in the cosmos, maybe as much as 10% of all the planets have life. BUT.. A blade of grass is life. A head of Lettuce is life. Corral is life. Try having an intelligent conversation with a Mule. Even chimps can’t Think like us Humans. Until proven otherwise.. I contend that US Humans are the most intelligent form of life that exist anywhere in the universe. Our Imagination is limitless.

After considering all the various theories on “Light”, I believe light is a plasma phenomenon where the plasma is stimulated by a source of energy generated heat. The Sun is a perfect example. Or my plasma TV. The heat causes the plasma particles to change the state it is in and it results in what we see as light. The light continues to radiate from the source in all directions. (like a filament light bulb) If some of the light strikes an object the light will reflect off the object. Light reflect differently off of different materials and colors. Because the light is a plasma based condition, it loses it’s radiance as it gets farther from the source. Plasma is the most fundamental state of energy and matter. Plasma is Everywhere. We are all breathing it in right now. It makes up the great majority of Earth’s atmosphere. Plasma is where all energy comes from. Without the energy in plasma… we all die within seconds. Consider this… if the entire universe is filled with plasma, it can’t be stopped from having a huge influence on everything in the universe. As some of us realize.

There remains a lot left to learn, by a lot of people. Never stop seeking the truth. Never turn your back on reasonable thoughts and ideas. We will all be amazed at how simple the physics are that rule the universe. You all have spent time and money gaining your insight. You formed your opinions from what you’ve been exposed to. I hope you’ll accept the realities when they are validated as true. I’m not here to say.. I Told You So. Don’t abandon your currant beliefs, validate them by examining all the other options first. I know you are all avid readers. I offer this article for your entertainment. Faster Than Light: Part Two May 15, 2009 If distance calculations based on redshift are inaccurate, what does that mean for the consensus opinion about the age or the size of the Universe? In the 1960s astronomers discovered quasi-stellar objects, better known as quasars. They have extremely large redshifts, implying that they are located near the farthest edge of the observable Universe. Quasars are referred to as "quasi-stellar" because they are relatively small, often little more than a light-year in apparent diameter, at their assumed distance, yet emit so much energy that they are thought to be the most powerful continuously radiant objects in the Universe. The only other active energy sources detectable at such vast distances are gamma ray bursters (GRB). However, GRBs last for mere minutes, whereas quasars shine continuously in output. They remain as bright as when then were first discovered. Some astronomers soon found that many quasars are associated with spiral galaxies (like M82) and appear to be near the galaxy instead of billions of light-years distant. Based on other data, such as quasars' anomalous apparent brightness when compared with their redshifts, Hubble's expanding Universe theory was called into question. Long before the quasar problem arose, though, Edwin Hubble himself was moved to suggest that inflation might not have taken place in the "early" Universe. He thought that new observational data was necessary in order to decide whether it was definitive. In 1947, he was waiting for the new 200-inch telescope at Mt. Palomar to be built: "It seems likely that redshift may not be due to an expanding Universe, and much of the speculations on the structure of the universe may require re-examination... We may predict with confidence that the 200-inch will tell us whether the red-shifts must be accepted as evidence of a rapidly expanding Universe, or attributed to some new principle of nature." (Publications of the Astronomical Society of the Pacific Vol. 59, No. 349). Unfortunately, nothing definitive has resulted from astronomers working with the Hale telescope or the many space-borne telescopes that have been launched since then. Instead, redshift and inflation have become something of a dogma among the astronomical community and new, ever more arcane mathematical excursions have been added to the mix, as was discussed in part one. Although many observations contradict the consensus view, and have been doing so for 40 years or more, those data are ignored or marginalized. High redshift quasars, as previously mentioned, are found in axial alignment with galaxies that possess substantially lower redshift. Indeed, they are sometimes connected to those lower redshift galaxies by "bridges" of luminous material. Halton Arp was the lone voice among a crowd of scientists who conformed to the standard Big Bang model when he began to publish papers that did not demonstrate that inflation—or the Big Bang hypothesis—was valid. As Edwin Hubble predicted, Arp's research using the 200-inch Hale reflector demonstrated "some new principle of nature." One of the more interesting images that substantiates the need for a revised cosmology is NGC 4319 and its companion quasar, Markarian 205. Arp called attention to the fact that the lower redshift galaxy is physically connected to the higher redshift quasar. A filament between the two objects violates the measured distances because no such connection should be possible. After all, NGC 4319 (from redshift calculations) is said to be about 600 million light-years from Earth, while Markarian 205 is around a billion light-years away. If these objects are physically connected they must reside locally with each other at the same distance from Earth. The discrepancy in their redshifts has to be from some other factor not related to their distances—there must be something intrinsic to their makeup that leads to the deviation. Arp assembled a Catalog of Discrepant Redshift Associations that describes anomalous structure or physical links among objects with radically different redshifts. Some of the observations show quasar pairs being ejected in opposite directions from active galaxies. This led to the so-called ejection model of galaxy formation. In brief, high redshift quasars around galaxies, such as the aforementioned M82, are the "daughters" of the mature galaxy. Their various redshifts do not indicate distance, but age from the time of ejection. Arp speculates that the redshift measurement of quasars is composed not of a velocity value alone, but also depends on what he calls "intrinsic redshift." Intrinsic redshift is a property of matter, like mass or charge, and can change over time. According to his theory, when quasars are ejected from a parent galaxy they possess a high intrinsic redshift, z = 2 or greater. As the quasars move away from their origin within the galactic nucleus, their redshift properties begin to decrease until they reach somewhere near z = 0.3. At that point, the quasar resembles a galaxy, albeit a small one. The inertial moment of ejection is eventually overcome and the mass of the quasar increases while the speed of ejection decreases, until it may become a companion galaxy. It is in that way that galaxies form and age, evolving from highly redshifted quasars, to small irregular galaxies, and then into larger barred spirals. Other examples of fast-moving quasars in front of slower moving galaxies, or connected to them with luminous filaments, have been observed. NGC 7603, for instance, a distorted spiral galaxy with a single arm, is joined by that arm to a smaller companion with a much higher redshift. Within the bright material of the arm are two other objects, each with redshifts different from the galaxy pair. There is nothing conclusive in the mainstream scientific journals about Arp's data as of this writing. His telescope time was cut off many years ago by the decision makers who allot that time to various research groups. His revelations concerning problems with consensus dogma were considered too intolerable, so he was summarily censured by his peers. However, the evidence he continues to gather and promote ought to make us stop and think: is the Big Bang dead? How big and how old is the Universe if redshift readings are not reliable indicators of distance? Stephen Smith The so called Mainstream Astronuts claim that all the light we can see in the universe comes from “Friction Heat” or Nuclear Fusion process. Neither is correct. Electricity is the only cause for all the light we see. "It's all to do with nuclear decays and then photon propagation..." is wrong

Good question. Light is not a substance such as water that continues to add more to the stream from a source. Light is a reaction to electrical heated stimulus in the plasma which fills the entire universe. The stimulus continues to activate the plasma next to it and light effect continues depending on the strength of the source. The hotter the source, the stronger the light, and length of distance the light travels. Very simple physic at work. Fire is Plasma reacting to heat and creating different colors. My 50” Plasma TV makes every color in the spectrum with plasma. Plasma is the fundamental state of energy. So.. Light is basically energy stimulating more energy, in a perfect straight line. If it gets too hot.. things will start to burn. Like the Sun is now.

The real question is... what was here (universe) as in Matter, before a so called big bang occurred? Where did the matter come from? We will never know that answer. No god is ever going to come and reveal the truth, so we’ll just have to accept that reality. All we can do is look at what we see and attempt to make sense of it all. Electricity, plasma mag fields make sense. We use them all everyday. We control and manipulate them Aren’t we smart. If man never strayed from the “Main Stream“… man would still live on a flat planet in the Dark ages. Always be willing to go beyond the boundaries set by others. Especially if their income depends on it.

Hi Cap’n I hope you’re doing well today. I’m happy to see you have an interest in this subject. I’m guessing you’re quite knowledgeable and bright. That is a very good site you linked. I have put it in my favorites. I’ll spend a lot of time studying the info there. The Thunderbolts Team offers some brilliant E-Books on related subjects. They have one called: “The Sun”. It explains their conclusions on how the sun really works and how light does what it does, and other reasons why they dispute the claims made by the Einstein followers. They will upload the first chapter to your computer for you to examine. You won’t need any further evidence that they are correct. It all makes much better sense. So does electricity and magnetic fields. Go to their home site and click on the e-books on the right side. I invite you to post the same link in their forum. Let's see what the experts have to say about it. Have a Splendid Godless Day… come back again soon. Hi my friend If you want predictions that all have been correct... go here http://www.thunderbolts.info/predictions.htm These guys... GOT IT RIGHT Have a Great Day

I agree completely. My own thoughts on Time & Space.... Time and Space have no Beginning and no End. They are boundless and continue infinitely. If someone says there was a beginning to Time, ask them what was going on ten minutes before Time began? If someone says there is a moment when Time will end, I will say I'm going to be ten minutes late for the ending ceremonies. Time can not be bent, curved altered or dilated. Time travel is impossible and will never happen. Nothing can go forward or backwards in time. Only in the human imagination are such things thought possible. Not in the real physical world. Time is a constant continuum of itself. Time is merely a concept. There was never a time before time. Some people believe time is a dimension that exist. I don't believe that is true. If you believe that time is more than a concept, I'll ask you to go get a bucket full of time and bring it to me. Can you put your finger on time? All you can do is imagine time is going by. Time goes by only because we believe it does. Man conceived the idea of time as a means of measuring how long things take. Go ask a cow what time it is. You will find that the cow knows nothing about time, and doesn't care. I think I'll put some time aside today that I can use tomorrow. Time doesn't work that way. You can't hold time in your hand. You can't hold back time. Time waits for no one. A stopwatch doesn’t stop time. It only stops the process of measuring time at that moment. We live in the now, not the past or future. The past is gone forever. The future never arrives. Nothing is affected by time itself. Everything is affected by what happens to it during a length of time. Time does not turn the pyramids into ruble. Rain and wind over time do that. Not time. When I hear someone say they believe time can warp or change in some physical way, I imagine the whole universe in a bubble inside of a glass bowl on the coffee table in Mother Nature’s living room. There is a clock on the wall ticking away the seconds. No matter what anyone else thinks or believes, Mother Nature knows what time it is. The universe is not in some kind of bubble. I can't help but think that concept is rather silly. There is no reason to believe that is necessary within the laws of physics. No "Parallel Universe". There are no fences or walls at the border of the Universe. No sign that says: "You have reached the end of the Universe" "No service stations beyond this point" Even if all the "Matter" within the Universe dissipates down to "Nothing", the nothing continues infinitely. It is Impossible for there to be an end to Time and Space or Nothing… If there is an end to the nothing, what is on the other side? More nothing I presume. If the Big Bang happened, it could be that it was just a little bang in one small part of the universe. We will never know where that matter originally came from, or how long it existed before any kind of bang. To suggest that time began with a Big Bang is absurd. To say the universe began with the same bang is preposterous. For there to even be a bang, there must be something there to do the bang and that must have taken a very long time to get all that matter in one place. A very big place. There may have been trillions of Big Bangs come and go in the entire universe. There can be no end to the universe, and no beginning of time., nor, an end to time. The so called Dark Matter is dark because it is nothing at all. Or Transparent Plasma Separate the universe (space) from the matter that is within the universe. I like to call it Something and Nothing. There may be a limit to the Something, but the Nothing is infinite. Man can calculate how long the light from a distant star takes to reach Earth. That has no bearing on where that star is within the universe, only how far from earth. The star may be right in the middle of the universe. Actually there is no middle, or edge to the universe. It is impossible for man to be certain about the age of the universe. I don't care who says they know such things, they are WRONG. No form of math can answer such questions. Einstein was wrong about a lot of his theories. Most of mans theories about the universe are wrong There is no beginning or end to time or space. Man will never know where all the matter came from. Only speculations.

Hi. My purpose for coming here is only to share knowledge… as respectfully and friendly as I can. I don't want to take people away from this forum site. I really appreciate this place to debate science. I thank everyone involved here. Kudos to you all. My respect is yours. All your questions can be answered at a forum located at the home site of the Thunderbolts Team. They have several people there that can set you on the right track. Go to the site I linked and then go to their forums. Ask away any questions you have. They have the answers. PLEASE come back to this forum as soon as possible with your impressions of what you learned. http://www.thunderbolts.info/home.htm I already know most of what you know... now go learn what I know. Have a Great Day to All I will smile very big when in the near future (5 years or less) someone like John Stossel (Journalist) will be on the news making a comment something like this…. As it turns out, Einstein was entirely wrong with his theories on gravity, time, space and light. We now know that it’s Electric Currents and Magnetic Fields that are the cause and effect of what happens throughout the entire universe. BTW… Light does NOT bend in any way. That is simply Impossible. Light travels perfectly straight. It only Reflects, but never bends. IF light could bend… we would see only a blur of light when we looked out into the sky. We can see light from incredible distances only because light travels straight and never bends, even over light years of time. Claiming that light bends is absurd and ridiculous. Sorry Mr. Einstein. Sorry if that offends anyone else. On the same note… IF there was any so called “Dark Matter”, we could not see anything at all in space. All the light would be blocked by the matter. We can see for massive distance because PLASMA is Transparent and clear, like clean water or Oxygen and most other gases. There is NO so called “Dark Energy“ either. The energy is the plasma itself. When something occurs that draws the energy into a current… things start to happen. … like lightning. or all the electrical plasma displays we see everywhere in the cosmos.

Good Day to all you fellow free thinkers. For many years (over 20) I believed all the mainstream Einstein based theories about gravity. Although many of them sound so far fetched and impossible they seem ridiculous. (singularity) But… I had no other choice but to go with the flow. THEN.. It happened…. I discovered The Thunderbolts Team. I carefully analyzed their evidence and soon became certain that they are absolutely correct with their conclusions. It is very simple physics. The same physics that function the same as here on earth… as we should expect. I have viewed many video presentations on this issue. Such as…”Thunderbolts Of The Gods“…“Crisis In Cosmology”… “Electric Plasma Universe”… “Plasma Cosmology”… “Symbols Of An Alien Sky” and others. They can be found at Youtube or Google. They are very rational and well produced. Rather than me trying to explain the electric plasma conclusions, it is much easier for anyone interested in getting the truth about how the universe functions to go to the sites I have linked. I have been aware of this info for about four years. I am certain they are on the right track. NOBODY with any self respect as a researcher should ignore this information. Einstein ignored the effects of electricity in the cosmos and that’s where he screwed up big time. Nikola Tesla knew it around the year 1900. Many others have proposed these ideas but have been shunned by the mainstream crowd because it made a laughing stock out of their own Einstein based beliefs. Now there are way too many brilliant researchers on board with this idea that it can’t/won’t be held back any longer. It will undoubtedly become the accepted truth in a short time from now. I merely point you to the best sources of this knowledge. I consider Wallace Thornhill to be the leader in this field. David Talbot and Donald Scott are two others that consider this to be factual and have produced some excellent videos explaining these ideas. Again… here are three of the best sites to learn from. http://www.electricuniverse.info/Introduction http://www.thunderbolts.info/home.htm http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=89xdcmfs Learning is FREE… if you’re not afraid to learn something new and relevant to reality. Have a Splendid Godless Day Wallace Thornhill has made several Predictions that have all been accurate. They are listed at the home site for The Thunderbolts Team. (linked) He has been right on with his explanations. He is correct about comets NOT being frozen ice balls. The Sun NOT being a burning from the inside process. Pulsars NOT being rapidly spinning suns. And many other issues. The best thing you can do for your own knowledge is learn what Wallace knows. That will be the future of Cosmology. There is a TON of info on the subject.... open your eyes. http://www.electricuniverse.info/Introduction I would rather not post long comments BUT.... Here is a sample of the many articles I have on the issue of black holes. Oct 24, 2009 Black Holes Stretch the Truth Instead of being supermassive bends in space and time, black holes bend to the whims of astronomers. According to a recent press release, "...outbursts from the black hole at the center of our Milky Way galaxy generate material that is stretched as it orbits near the gravitational behemoth." Black holes continue to elude detection by the most powerful telescopes and radiation sensors, but the consensus community insists that they exist because they can be inferred by their effect on matter and energy. It is assumed that matter falling into the intense gravity well of a black hole is accelerated and subsequently compressed until it is ultimately destroyed inside the so-called "event horizon." Sagittarius A* is said to be a supermassive black hole (SMBH) residing in the center of the Milky Way, approximately 26,000 light-years from Earth in the constellation Sagittarius. It is the closest SMBH, so it is used for baseline hypotheses about them. More than 95% of all galaxies are thought to harbor one or more SMBHs because the spectra from gas and dust in their centers exhibit similar characteristics. Frederick K. Baganoff of MIT wrote: "Sagittarius A* is unique, because it is the nearest of these monster black holes, lying within our own galaxy. Only for this one object can our current telescopes detect these relatively faint flares from material orbiting just outside the event horizon." The radiation signature from Sagittarius A* comes from gas ejected by nearby stars, according to conventional thinking. The material orbits the black hole at a faster and faster rate as it gradually spins closer to a point with four million times the mass of our sun. The emissions in x-rays and ultraviolet light are interpreted by astronomers as gas heating up from molecular collisions in the rotating disc. Since electricity in space is ignored as an interpretive medium, the gravitational attraction close to the black hole would prevent anything from escaping unless it were moving at half the speed of light. That velocity is 100 times faster than the .05% that was observed, so scientists think that gas orbiting the black hole is being stretched out instead of being ejected. In a recent press release from the Chandra X-ray Observatory, astronomers announced that black holes exhibit similar behavior regardless of their mass. Whether they are ten times the mass of a typical star or many millions of times more massive, they rip normal matter apart and draw it into regions where the so-called laws of physics no longer apply. Black holes are theorized to twist space and time so that velocity calculations yield impossible solutions. Matter inside of a black hole occupies no volume at all, yet retains gravitational acceleration so great that not even light can escape its attraction—they are "black" because they cannot be detected with optical telescopes. In several previous Picture of the Day discussions about black holes and their influence on the universe, we determined that the descriptive terminology used by researchers is itself problematic, relying on highly speculative explanations derived from loose interpretations. Ambiguous lexical labels such as space/time, multiple universes, singularities, infinite density and other ideas that are not quantifiable have introduced irony into what should be a realistic investigation into the nature of the universe. Another fictional source for the energetic phenomena we see in space is gravitational tides. Some flares and x-ray jets spewing from galaxies are thought to be caused by stars traveling too close to their central supermassive black holes. Heat generated by molecular collisions causes the gas to glow in x-rays. As theories indicate, gamma rays also explosively burst out when matter eventually falls into the black hole. X-rays and gamma rays in space are not created in gravity fields. Laboratory experiments most easily produce them by accelerating charged particles through an electric field. No gigantic masses compressed into tiny volumes are necessary, and they are easily generated with the proper experimental models. There are other factors that should be considered when analyzing data from space before resorting to super-dense objects and antimatter explosions as their cause. There is no experimental evidence that matter can be compressed to “infinite density." Compression zones (z-pinches) in the plasma filaments form plasmoids that become the stars and galaxies. Electricity is responsible for the birth of stars, and when the current density gets too high the double layers in the circuit catastrophically release their excess energy and appear as gamma ray bursts or x-rays or flares of ultraviolet light. Infrared and x-ray telescopes have confirmed the existence of a plasma-focus plasmoid at the core of the Milky Way. This high-energy electrical formation is the heart of the galactic circuit. Since dust blocks visible light, viewing the core has not been possible until the advent of telescopes that can “see” infrared and x-ray light, which can penetrate dust. The x-ray radiation from the plasmoid is typical of that given off by highly excited stars, indicating extremely strong electrical stress. The strong electrical field in the plasmoid acts as a particle accelerator. Electrons accelerated to high speeds will spiral in a magnetic field and give off x-rays. In a galactic circuit, electrical power flows inward along the spiral arms, lighting the stars as it goes, and is concentrated and stored in the central plasmoid. When the plasmoid reaches a threshold density, it discharges, usually along the galaxy’s spin axis. This process can be replicated in a laboratory with the plasma focus device. The discharge forms a jet of neutrons, heavy ions, and electrons. The neutrons decay to form concentrations of matter that appear as quasars. Electromagnetic forces confine the jet to thin filaments that remain coherent for thousands of light-years. The jet usually ends in double layers that extend for many times the size of the galaxy and radiate copiously in radio frequencies. The diffuse currents then flow toward the galaxy’s equatorial plane and spiral back toward the core. In the electric star hypothesis, no concentrated gravity from hypothetical super-compacted objects and "singularities" is necessary. Classical "laws" of electromagnetism are more than able to create the phenomena we see, without recourse to the supernatural physics of SMBHs. Expulsion disks are common in such energetic systems rather than "accretion" disks. Plasma discharge events are commonly known to generate high-energy UV light. The more electrical current the higher the frequency of light will be emitted. Supply enough power to the arc and x-rays and gamma rays are generated. By Stephen Smith

Hello fellow free thinkers. I could post several articles and other long winded explanations… BUT.. I feel it is far more efficient use of anyone’s time to check out the sites I linked. They have it all in one place to consider and make a conclusion from the evidence they present. I don't want to clutter up this tread with a massive amount of info. I'd rather point you to where you can find it. I’m not here to argue or criticize. I offer a different view and who I learned it from. http://www.thunderbolts.info/home.htm http://www.electricuniverse.info/Introduction We are told that gravity rules the cosmos. The story of the big bang, the origin of galaxies and stars, and our ultimate fate are founded on this belief. But the March 2009 Astronomy magazine carries the surprising headline, “Is there something we don't know about gravity?” The question should be, “why do we think that physicists know anything about gravity beyond mathematical descriptions of its observed effects?”

I think we all would agree that Tesla and Einstein are considered to be Genius Personified. I will agree with both of them, when they consider math as the answer to everything. Electricity does not care about math equations. “Today’s scientist have substituted mathematics for experiments and they wanderoff through equation after equation and eventually built a structure which has no relation to reality” - [Nikola Tesla] “As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality” - [Albert Einstein] Math can not explain why the Sun shines. Nikola Tesla did that years ago. "This planet with all it’s appalling immensity, is to electric currents, virtually no more than a small metal ball” - [ Nikola Tesla] “So astounding are the facts in this connection, that it would seem as though the creator himself had electrically designed this planet” - [Nikola Tesla] At one time, planet Earth was burning hot like the Sun is now. Anything that gets hit by a large electric charge will light up. Saturn and Mars were once brighter than the Sun from the view from Earth. We are very fortunate that electric currents come and go randomly.

It is considered to be FACT by thousands of very credible researchers. IF it is true.. Than that would make it the BIGGEST NEW SCIENCE NEWS IN SCIENCE HISTORY. It nearly makes a fool out of Einstein. I will leave this subject at one location as you require. Good Day

Does anyone have any knowledge about the new conclusions how it is plasma and electric currents with magnetic fields that are the cause and effect of what we can see in the cosmos. Not gravity.

As we learn more we consider to be “Facts” such as the earth is not flat, we get closer to the truth. Once a fact becomes known , it is very difficult to keep it from gaining more supporters. This is the case with the Electric Plasma Magnetic Fields Model. We are seeing more undeniable evidence each year. It all makes perfectly good sense/science. It is only prudent that any self respecting thinker should do the research, study the conclusions of others in the field, get as many different thoughts as possible, then make their own careful analysis of the evidence and make a commonsense conclusion. I conclude the Electric Plasma Model makes much better sense and makes a huge leap forward of our understanding of the cosmic physics. It is enviable that the old gravity theories will be proven wrong. Knowledge is the most valuable commodity to obtain. The truth rises to the top… eventually. I am certain I have already found it. Now I prefer to share this knowledge with others. Open for debate... YES. But... I am certain no argument can Prove the plasma electric conclusions wrong.