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Overtone, I was referring to your inability to use the quote function properly. It is very frustrating to have to figure out who you're talking to in a thread when you are responding to multiple posts and don't include their names in the quoted text. I assume it's because you are manually entering the BBcode tags instead of hitting the quote button?

I would like to see some statistics on that, but in any case, it would be the abuse of prescription drugs rather than their intended use. That is an entirely separate issue. I would also disagree with your claim that many do not serve a use in society. What are you basing that off? Chemotherapy agents have a benefit to society. The development of morphine analogs has a benefit to society. Your problem here does not seem to be with animal testing but with Big Pharma, which is not the topic of discussion, so again I have to ask you what your point is? As has already bee said, the things you are suggesting are already enacted in some form and extending waits and costs won't make things better. A lot of Pharma companies already outsource animal testing and won't realistically be affected. The people who will be affected are academic researchers with already very limited budgets. Your proposition to move fees accrued into funds for more research is nice on its surface, but it's made entirely redundant by the fact that you are taking money away from research in the first place.

They already wait months before testing. No one is saying otherwise and I don't think anyone is even saying that they shouldn't wait. As well, other forms of testing are more desirable, but they aren't always adequate. This is why we have animal testing at all. What are you actually trying to suggest here?

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The major issue I have with this is that it isn't industry that would suffer from it, it's academic labs whose budget is much, much smaller but whose research may rely on such testing. Getting ethics approval for animal testing is a very difficult and arduous process already (just to get my name on a list of approved researchers for a set of existing experiments would take me 2+ months after training), so I'm not sure how additional barriers would really help any.

Or in almost any thread, for that matter.

Please go see a doctor. This forum is not for dispensing medical advice. Thread closed.

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Aemilius has been banned following an abusive PM and on request.

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B. Acetone and water are miscible, so probably not. C. What are your attempts on this?

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! Moderator Note Dekan, Was there really any need for your comments? Whatever the intentions of the OP and whatever the truth of his words, exactly what point does posting your derision and absolutely baseless accusations have? Next time, please keep your inflammatory comments to yourself. They are not welcome here (or really anywhere). Attention seeking indeed.

Actually, any staff member would tell you that it's all about the cheese nips.

I had finished my BSc the day before I turned 22 and honours the next year. If my high school path had been different and I hadn't of needed to take a gap year to get citizenship, I would have been just shy of 20 when I finished. I'm glad it turned out how it did, in retrospect.

This would be the higher end of what a post doc or senior lecturer might make where I'm from. I would be surprised to see those sorts of wages in the US, though I've never done any extensive searches. OP: seems to me that a biology degree would lead to the same or similar prospects as a biochem major, depending (as ajb has said), what you plan on going with in the biology major. All in all, I can't really think of why one would benefit you significantly more than another going into a PhD or an MD. I myself have a chemistry degree with honours in o chem, but I've spent the last year working in genetics and molecular biology labs and I'm about to start back into a PhD focussing on both disciplines. The point is, your undergrad doesn't necessarily box you in to the major you chose. If you're looking at getting into research, I would try and get involved in undergrad research projects and go where your interests lie.

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NaOH is deliquescent. The pellets will get quite wet after a short period of time in normal atmosphere, for reasons that Fuzzwood eluded to. A lot of salts are very good at this, in fact. NaOH is not a liquid in this context, also.

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! Moderator Note Bob, With respect, none of what you've said makes any sense. Could you please clarify what you are talking about and where you would like to direct discussion? If not, I will be forced to close this.

You treat them the same as single bonds in this context. Some textbooks just call them electron sets or places where there are bonding electrons.