geordief

Elba? Guantanamo?

Thanks.I will bow out now as I don't even have a sketchy outline of this subject.

So the effect on gravitation from the Higgs field is "derivative" and not fundamental? It affects the way some things cause gravitation but not others (eg photons) which have gravitation "built in " (but less obviously)? Mass is not the same as energy but can be converted to it ? (is it a two way street?) Thanks. Very interesting

And yet ,apparently we would not have gravitational fields (are they quantum fields or classical fields? Classical ,I imagine.) without the effect of the Higgs Field. So does that mean it has been activated for all the objects subject to the Gravitational Field?

Thanks.Of course it helps but I need much more time to try to learn and digest some of that and to reassess what my questions about it might be (or maybe post a different thread on a different but related subject at some stage)

Suppose we have a massive particle (Would a proton be the smallest or can quarks exist as an individual massive particle?) moving in the Higgs Field. Does its trajectory change if it gets close to an actual Higgs particle as opposed to the Field? I have a picture of a Higgs particle acting like a source of gravitation of the particle but doubtless this is both simplistic and wrong. Also wondering how massless particles' trajectories are affected...

To save me the trouble of going through the thread ,could you show me where "we" did that? Could only be libel on the internet.Slander is for the spoken word to the best of my knowledge.

Have there been studies to show that incels as a group can be defined as misogynistic(my suspicion)? If so ,everything that follows that seems like it would be a self reinforcing delusion. I did find one study online https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/14614448231176777 but have no idea how rigorous it is and whether there are more studies that contradict or reinforce it (and I don't have the patience or concentration to go right through it myself)

You seem to have cornered the market in scrambled humour . Good luck.

Sarcasm was pretty thick (eg "Bizarre ,quoi?". " Really odd!" was a reinforcer ,not a woo moment.) There was an emoji at the end where I dissed the OP. EDIT:I indicated the sarcasm was in the second post of the thread .Are you on the sauce again?

I didn't say we sense someone looking at you . (and you were quoting me). I said the opposite in the second post of the thread.(perhaps you missed the sarcasm? Plus your reply didn't make sense purely as an english expression. What is that supposed to mean ? Is "normal" a noun? Is this a poetry competition?

Well if you don't bother answering my question then I won't waste my time and yours any longer.

Sorry that doesn't make sense to me. Do I have to read your mind or literary intent or is that some kind of autocomplete malfunction? All one sentence? I like the interpretation that we are all like bats in the darkness (or daylight) carving out subsection of the surrounding and incoming reality with our "radar apparatus" When two of these bats (us) communicate our two beams themselves intersect and our communication takes place mainly in this shared physical and psychic territory. It is a "model" that has been on my mind this past week (A bit like a third person/entity in the relationship-and that model would also extend to society in general ) I don't think that is far out or controversial,just that I didn't think of it like that till recently)

Oh.How do they do that? What ,specifically do they do (or not do) to you or others that makes you say that? To the OP ,maybe something like self awareness classes could be promoted by the council. I would run a mile but some would in all likelihood benefit and perhaps there would be a benefit to society in general and ,who knows the classes might bring pleasure (and even be places where people could meet and later fall in love)

On a related note,I was (just this past while) sitting in the room with my partner and she was explaining to me about a shop she had visited and mentioned in passing that she was wondering who owned the shop. On my side my attention had wandered and dreaming had set in so that my attention was split into two parts. I heard her say "I wonder who owns that shop" whilst in my dream I was in the car with a passenger who was about to get out of the car and enter the same shop. In my half dream/half awake state I began to answer her "I know who owns the shop" (none of us do in reality) but I caught myself on and thought "that makes no sense" and woke up to realize that In had been half awake ,half "adream" I wonder if that could be related to the kind of connection you were talking about? Could we be normally connected to each other in subconscious ways that weave their ways beneath our conscious connections leaving us surprised from time to time when we seem to be sharing the same thoughts?

I don't want to post off topic but this seems related and came in the post yesterday (well,June 6 it says) https://news.mit.edu/2024/exotic-black-holes-could-be-dark-matter-byproduct-0606 "Exotic black holes could be a byproduct of dark matter In the first quintillionth of a second, the universe may have sprouted microscopic black holes with enormous amounts of nuclear charge, MIT physicists propose"

Maybe incels could be offered subsidized transgender ops as women never seem to have this problem?

https://www.history.com/news/christopher-columbus-never-set-out-to-prove-the-earth-was-round This?

So there could never be a random event and this would apply to all thought processes too? Is it possible to apply logic to that hypothesis? Could logic also be defined by randomness? Don't they say you can prove nothing by logic but that you can (according to its rules) disprove a hypothesis?

Not a one. Maybe if I ventured abroad a little further.

I have never met a "flat-earther" Are you sure they exist?

I have noticed the opposite. If another person is unaware of your presence ,they will carry on as if you are not there. Bizarre ,quoi? Sometimes ,even I think I am alone only to discover there is someone else in the room . Really odd! (think the OP is copy and paste - should've guessed)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdeterminism "Physicists Sabine Hossenfelder and Tim Palmer have argued that superdeterminism "is a promising approach not only to solve the measurement problem, but also to understand the apparent non-locality of quantum physics". Howard M. Wiseman and Eric Cavalcanti argue that any hypothetical superdeterministic theory "would be about as plausible, and appealing, as belief in ubiquitous alien mind-control" Those seem like two pretty diametrically opposed interpretations of what is a.... (actually I have some trouble describing what it seems to be) It is apparently a theoretical loophole in Bell's Theorem.Have any possible experiments been proposed that could test this one way or another or it probable that none can ever be devised? Can there be there any useful comparisons with the block universe idea?

I suppose I was being facetious. It is well worth considering if social skills should be taught as part of the general curriculum. I can see pros and cons (I would have run a mile-I was "expelled" from the Boy Scouts for failing the tidyness test but others might have benefitted)

Is that what finishing schools are for? A finishing school for men might fit the bill Seems a bit like Fight Club for Toffs https://www.britishbutlerinstitute.com/finishing-school-home/finishing-school-programmes/finishing-school-for-men/