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I wasn't aware I'd ignored anything. Your evidence didn't satisfy and it still doesn't. If you read back you will find that I make no claims beyond 'I suspect' and actually, I quite like my shell. As for ignoring facts I can say the same about you. For me the ability to explain is the best evidence of understanding. If your explanation can't be understood then it doesn't work as an explanation. My world view as you put it is extremely flexible it's just that I'm no longer gullible. And lastly, we may both be lost causes, after all are only fallible humans aren't we? Well I am anyway.

I may be alone in this however I define Religion as 'a system of belief'.If what you believe is your religion then your religion is what you believe. Science is very much a Religion in every sense. Genesis describes the creator, the creation, and the rules of the creation. Science describes the method of creation, the creation and the laws of creation. As I see it, not so different. And yet strangely, they both suffer from the same flaws, one of which is 'arrogant certainty' or a belief in their own infallibility and they are both equally dangerous to mankind.

I guess I missed this one earlier but, I hope I never get you on my Jury. Evidence is evidence right or wrong whether or not you like it. I didn't insult your evidence, I just asked you to explain it.

Let me sow some seeds in your brain as you pass this way and see whether they fall on fertile ground or stone. If I could prove the non-existence of gravity could scientists ever hold their heads up again? If I could prove the non-existence of god could Jews, Christians or Muslims ever hold their heads up again? If I could prove the non-existence of anything wouldn’t that be something? Remember. It is impossible to prove that something doesn’t exist. Therefore, the onus is on those who make a claim to PROVE their claim and not just expect everyone to believe like lambs or sheep. Don’t expect faith, explain and prove. That’s not too much to ask. IS IT? :D

If they had air conditioning it was almost certainly powered by halo ice crystals which could only be found on class Q planets on Thursdays and half holidays. http://www.atoptics.co.uk/halo/crystals.htm I have recently invented the Line Of Sight Transporter which is designed around the principle that light travels in a roughly straight line and depends on the fact that light has already made the journey so is therefore instantaneous. All that is required is for a volunteer to travel to one of the nearest stars and build the receiving station. Are there any takers? :-p

The sanitation runs under the cornerstone in my civilisation.

Janeway and colleagues spent months crawling about in all sorts of places but I never saw them fight species ? in an air-conditioning duct. The Klingons wouldn't have had air-conditioning. Too sissy. When they borrowed Star Fleet vessels without asking they would have turned it off. If there was any.

Tribbles. You're right.

Correction to earlier post; I posted this rather prematurely. It should have read; ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If you refer to 'inquisition' and 'thought police' they are my own, believe me. If I offended you in any way beyond the use of them then I appologise unreservedly. I suspect we have exhausted the topic unless you have anything to add. I don't want to offend anyone.

Hi! I wondered since asking if the little furry creatures brought on to Kirks ship by Mudd might have found a home in the air conditioning. If I can't find the answer they'll take me away. What were the creatures called?

Quite. Bring back the inquisition and the thought police.

I enjoy the luxury of the truth seeker through the ages. I am not required to answer questions, mostly because I don't care whether I'm belived or not. Unlike........................

SNAP!!!!

So if I can explain it to your satisfaction you will believe me. Is that what you are saying. What a peculiar notion. I don't think I have to defend anything actually. I'm just a stupid ignorant member of the great unwashed and huddled masses who depend on others to tell me what is what.

I am sorry (again) if my desire to understand is greater than your ability to explain. I have found amongst religious types that if they can't answer the question they attack first the question then the questioner. I must admit you surprise me slightly.

If you understand the principle of the self fulfilling prophecy you should understand the concept of the self fulfilling construct. Just because the construct supports the construct doesn't mean that the construct can be sustained. Equations are founded on observation and, if found to be unsatisfacory, are adjusted accordingly by such devices as 'constants' of which I believe G is such.

I'm sorry but unless I am sadly mistaken you are arguing that evidence is proof of existence. I put it to you that between the bible, new testament, Koran, book of Mormon, three thousand million christians, jews and muslims, countless saints, prophets, holy men and women, eye witness accounts, miracles, etc. etc. etc....... there is more evidence for the existence of the god of Abraham than there is for gravity.

Yes. I believe he will be able to stand and, over time he will exhaust the oxygen in the air and replace it with other components. Pressure may or may not decrease but it will not cease. If you elevate your chamber the pressure outside will decrease but the inside pressure will not be different due to elevation. Water, on the other hand, does rise when 'air' is exhausted. Where is gravity then?

'The gravitational force' assumes the existance of gravity. This is not MY equation.

Now here’s a question directed only at serious students of the Roddenberry School of science. Did any Star Ship ever have air conditioning? I don’t know so I shan’t be supplying an answer.

This has G on both sides of the equation so, whatever else it explains it can't explain G since G is assumed. My problem is that in my time I understood many things, including calculus. I just never understood this, resurection, virgin birth etc. Maybe it will be explained at the end of the world. Just before perusia.

I knew that. But isn't that a major part of the problem. The whole question of gravity is now and always has been blurred, obfuscated, swamped in confusion, who in his right mind would insist on a comprehensible explanation? Well actually...................

I have got what I need from this Thread thank you all.

I don't know but somehow I preffered the apple falling from the tree. That was where this all began remember.

Thank you. Suspect rather than believe and I can't understand the 'need' of others to believe in something (gravity) that seems so difficult to understand that no one can explain it to me satisfactorilly without getting into even more exotic theorising. It seems more religious than scientific. Faith seems to be a more essential ingredient than understanding. You know? I believe that religion was once the science of its day with the priests and prophets being the closed inner circle who understood whilst we unwashed masses were obliged to take their word for everything. Some of us are learning how to wash! I may even have a bath one day.