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A chaperone is the one which misfolds normal proteins into prions.

Of course there was a point to discuss this and there are other sites and media for promoting things if I want to but I want to discuss with intellectuals and not preach to innocent people who can be easily manipulated. If no one at SFN devalued an important text of late antiquity, an important line of research, a new discovery then yes, there was no point in posting this but on the contrary people born out of ignorance do make errors and it need to be challenged so that the truth of the matter doesn't go unaddressed. Don't worry, the number of people holding a belief will not change the facts and the truth. What's true will remain as true. This is abomination before investigation and should not be the attitude of a scientific mind.

"Access to the Vedas is the greatest privilege this century may claim over all previous centuries." - J. Robert Oppenheimer The allegory of the cave, the metaphor of the Sun and the platonic realism of Plato are indeed true. An intelligible realm indeed exists and the whole Vedic thought is culminated on knowing the different manifested light rays of this intelligible realm and knowing these light rays individually helps us understand how the cosmos works and gives you freedom from the cave. The Secret of the Vedas by Aurobindo

Can you cite the passage where they state that "Before the beginning of time & at the end of time god becomes "dimensionless awareness" AND after the beginning of time & before the end of time god becomes " four dimensional space time""? Don't try to put forward your personal speculation or pet theories as the views of Advaita.

I was attempting to answer that God is not a jerk. Its pleasing to see that patients having sickle cell anaemia are resistant to malaria.

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Lets think this way, yes actually God is indeed an Evil Demon, he is the deus deceptor (the deceptive God), an evil genius who deceives you in believing that an external world exists when in fact it doesn't. "The evil demon presents a complete illusion of an external world, including other minds, to Descartes' senses, where in fact there is no such external world in existence. The evil genius also presents to Descartes' senses a complete illusion of his own body, including all bodily sensations, when in fact Descartes has no body. Most Cartesian scholars opine that the evil demon is also omnipotent, and thus capable of altering mathematics and the fundamentals of logic." People think that this is blasphemous but actually its not, he is indeed deceptive. Descartes thought that the only thing that this evil genius cannot deceive him or make him falsely believe is the fact that he exists and therefore he based his philosophy on "I think, therefore I am". Later Kant came on and said to know anything that is true of me, I must first know that it is me of whom it is true and he showed that we cannot know that. … the I that I think is distinct from the I that it, itself, intuits …; I am given to myself beyond that which is given in intuition, and yet know myself, like other phenomena, only as I appear to myself, not as I am … - Kant So everything you thought of as true is not at all true. But, hey? Is God really an evil demon? Is he deceptive? Well, the fact that he has revealed himself to people throughout the history of mankind and has given us the truth which we have as the word of God proves that the God we have is a Good God as David Hume says, III.X.1 BY the mere light of reason it seems difficult to prove the Immortality of the Soul. The arguments for it are commonly derived either from metaphysicaltopics, or moral or physical. But in reality, it is the gospel, and the gospel alone, that has brought life and immortality to light. III.X.45 Nothing could set in a fuller light the infinite obligations, which mankind have to divine revelation; since we find, that no other medium could ascertain this great and important truth. - David Hume, Of the immortality of the Soul Therefore irrespective of what you do or think or worship, the nature of God and your true nature will not change, the truth is unchangeable. I'll let the stoics answer you that. 2. We ought to observe also that even the things which follow after the things which are produced according to nature contain something pleasing and attractive. For instance, when bread is baked some parts are split at the surface, and these parts which thus open, and have a certain fashion contrary to the purpose of the baker's art, are beautiful in a manner, and in a peculiar way excite a desire for eating. And again, figs, when they are quite ripe, gape open, and in the ripe olives the very circumstance of their being near to rottenness adds a peculiar beauty to the fruit. And the ears of corn bending down, and the lion's eyebrows, and the foam which flows from the mouth of wild boars, and many other things--though they are far from being beautiful, if a man should examine them severally--still, because they are consequent upon the things which are formed by nature, help to adorn them, and they please the mind; so that if a man should have a feeling and deeper insight with respect to the things which are produced in the universe, there is hardly one of those which follow by way of consequence which will not seem to him to be in a manner disposed so as to give pleasure. And so he will see even the real gaping jaws of wild beasts with no less pleasure than those which painters and sculptors show by imitation; and in an old woman and an old man he will be able to see a certain maturity and comeliness; and the attractive loveliness of young persons he will be able to look on with chaste eyes; and many such things will present themselves, not pleasing to every man, but to him only who has become truly familiar with nature and her works... - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations There is goodness in all works of nature.

There is indeed too much confusion as to what is the real model of the evolutionary processes. CHALLENGES TO THE EVOLUTIONARY SYNTHESIS

Now you are indeed making a fool of yourself.

Click on the Compatibility view button which is on the address bar. It should work now.

Yeah WTF, I am not afraid of atheists at least they don't interfere into these issues but I am more concerned of half-baked philosophers who try to misrepresent both science and religion. It seems Sam Harris, an atheist shows more wisdom and knowledge about the wisdom traditions than the other two elites when he says that mystics try to understand their relationship with the world by sitting inside a cave for weeks and they are searching for completely different things and this has nothing to do with the world of quantum physics. This is a hymn where they praise the feminine Goddess, describing her in every detail and their epistemology is inherently different. http://dc217.4shared.com/img/313472087/c52fcff0/dlink__2Fdownload_2F313472087_2Fc52fcff0_3Ftsid_3D00000000-000000-00000000/preview.mp3 Ajakshaya vinirmukta mugdha kshipra prasadini Antarmukha samaradhya bahirmukha sudurlabha .. 162 - Lalitha Sahasranamam Ajaya: For whom there is no birth. Kshaya vinirmukta: Whom there is no decay also. Mugdha: Who is attractive by her artless beauty and innocence. Kshipra prasadini: Who is easily pleased. Antarmukha samaradhya: Whose worship is easy for those whose, mental gaze is turned inward. Bahirmukha sudurlabha: Whose worship difficult for those whose mental gaze goes outwards. Bahirmukha means knowing the world through the sense organs and Antarmukha means knowing the world without the sense organs. In fact there are no words in English to describe this and western philosophers don't know about this. Kant thought that all our knowledge has to come from the sense organs and hence he thought that it is forever impossible to know the noumenon but eastern religions state that there is an another way of knowing the world and that is by gaining knowledge without the sense organs or through a form of intuitive access to the numinous and this is what all wisdom traditions try to know and therefore religion doesn't really deal with the empirical world and the only message that advaita or any other wisdom traditions give to physicists is that physicists are basically asking the wrong questions and must take the human mind far more seriously. There are a few physicists like Penrose, Bernard and others who argue that a final theory of everything must include a model of the human mind in it and that's when non-dualistic Advaita will be really tested and that's where the pantheon of the Vedic gods come into the picture. So science deals with one thing and advaita deals with another, science deals with the phenomenon and advaita deals with the noumenon.

What the fuck singularity has anything to do with Conscious experiences? Let's confine the idea of singularity while talking about Black holes, shall we? If matter arises out of consciousness then a singularity and a black hole cannot exist out there, they exist only in your mind and hence science and advaita doesn't and cannot meet. Now you are indeed misrepresenting both science and advaita. Don't try to forcibly make them shake hands with each other they doesn't fit so easily.

Hi, I am a theist and I do worship a God but what makes you think that he has given you the freedom to make the choice of whether to worship him or not? Its in the nature of things, its God's nature to create and his works are good, we can't do much about it.

The two other theories or hypotheses challenging the so called neo-Darwinism or Modern Synthesis is the Neutral theory and the effect hypothesis. Both of these theories are quite different from the synthetic view and I think there is too much confusion as to which tenets of these two theories are accepted and which views are refuted. For example:- the rate of evolution and the rate of point mutations, the gradual, directional morphological adaptation of the synthetic view vs the sudden abrupt change followed by long period of stasis, is morphological change and reproductive isolation causally linked and follows one after the other or do they occur independently? The problem is there are cases where the morphological change and reproductive isolation is causally linked owing to the support of the punctuated equilibrium theory and there are examples where morphological change and reproductive isolation occur independently and are unrelated to the time of their occurrence. Neutral Theory: The Null Hypothesis of Molecular Evolution - Kimura. Macroevolutionary trends: new perspectives on the roles of adaptation and incidental effect. - Vrba. Hierarchical Approaches to Macroevolution: Recent Work on Species Selection and the "Effect Hypothesis" May be we should adopt different models depending on the situation and the organisms that we study. On the whole all these sounds too confusing as to what is the real model of the evolutionary processes.

Would you state that the Sun is the center of our Solar system as an opinion and simultaneously encourage and allow the view that the Earth is at the center of our Solar System? No right. If it is downright insulting for others to accept the fact that the Sun is the center of our Solar system then its not my problem. We are living in the age of reason. There is one way to eliminate competing myths, its called negative theology.

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Why should I state thousands of years of our Acharyas teachings as my opinion? I go by what tradition says and not by what a 21st century double standard scholar says and anyone disagreeing with that first sentence is obviously deviating from facts and reality. God can be a sandwich or a dimensionless point of consciousness or any damn imaginary thing for others but there is no ambiguity or confusion as to what God is in the traditional view. "Savithru deva is lord and master of Agnisoma mandala and He is in Samasthi Brahmanda1. The same presiding deity(Savithrudeva) rules the microcosm Pindanda. Human beings who are not aware of this imagine that it is they and their own mind and intellect that get things to be done through their indriyas2. How can subordinates3 be independent? Imagining that he is independent, the individual attributes his achievement to his own mind and intellect. This amounts to moha4 and aham-bhava5. But those few who are capable of deep reflection realize that there should be one (a power) who inspires or activates the mind and intellect further reflection and contemplation leads such individuals to realize that the Inspirer or Activator is Savithrudeva. It is He and He alone who instill power into the intellect. It is the intellect, which is the center and source of all activity, physical, mental, etc." - Devudu, Traditional Scholar 1. Brahmanda is called Macrocosm and Pindanda (the human body) is called the microcosm. 2. The ten sensory organs, five Jnana indriyas (eyes, ears, nose, tongue and skin) and five organs of action (hands, feet, tongue, arms and pudendum). 3. The mind, the intellect and the indriyas. 4. Attachment or the state of being enamored. 5. Ego-feeling leading to arrogance and conceit. "...that sun in the divine realm is Intellect-- let this serve as an example for our discourse-- and next after it is soul, dependent upon it and abiding while Intellect abides. This soul gives the edge of itself which borders on this [visible] sun to this sun, and makes a connection of it to the divine realm through the medium of itself, and acts as an interpreter of what comes from this sun to the intelligible sun and from the intelligible sun to this sun..." [8]<br style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; background-color: rgb(243, 249, 246);"> - Plotinus

God is anthropomorphic, he is personal and he exists behind the Intellect and what exists behind him is the Soul. Hyper-cosmic Sun-god

I know atheists don't have self-respect. You don't have to prove that for me. "In a recent video interview ( http://www.closertotruth.com/videoprofile/Why-Explore-Consciousness-and-Cosmos-Andrei-Linde-/874 ) Linde tells that his editor suggested he remove the reference to consciousness in his book because he “might lose the respect of his friends.” Linde told her that if he removed it, “I would lose my own self-respect.”" Both of the above statements are idioms. I don't have any problems.

I read a similar thread on 'rationalskepticism' long time back and this idea was strongly criticized by atheists themselves. Atheist Temple

Oh yes so that you can preach your flawed atheistic position. This is not your personal preaching forum, this is a discussion forum. Don't like your position being challenged by someone? This is not the right place for you. Please go away. There are still people who preach that the earth is flat you are worse than them. What's impressive is the demonstrations of mystics of their mastery over the different states of consciousness. Nope, this is what they call the New Copernican Revolution, the new paradigm shift and more and more intellectual people are starting to question the existence of the universe independent of us. "A new Scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die." - Max Planck I was talking about the history of science and religion. Galileo's trial. Speaks volumes of our current education system. Isn't it? Its because you said mysticism deals with entirely subjective things and I gave you examples contrary to your claim about these rituals on zombies to show you that mysticism actually deals with the real noumenon world and has many empirical consequences which can be tested. Sorry even I can't let you get away by making a series of group thinking posts. Yes, I will heed this wisdom. We are all immortals, my nick too was from the wisdom of the east. Mandukya Upanishad, Chapter II — Vaitathya Prakarana (The Chapter on Illusion) 1 Harih Aum. The wise declare the unreality of all entities seen in dreams, because they are located within the body and the space therein is confined. 2 The dreamer, on account of the shortness of the time involved, cannot go out of the body and see the dream objects. Nor does he, when awakened, find himself in the places seen in the dream. 3 Scripture, on rational grounds, declares the non—existence of the chariots etc. perceived in dreams. Therefore the wise say that the unreality established by reason is proclaimed by scripture. 4 The different objects seen in the confined space of dreams are unreal on account of their being perceived. For the same reason i.e. on account of their being perceived, the objects seen in the waking state are also unreal. The same condition i.e. the state of being perceived exists in both waking and dreaming. The only difference is the limitation of space associated with dream objects. 5 Thoughtful persons speak of the sameness of the waking and dream states on account of the similarity of the objects perceived in both states on the grounds already mentioned. 6 If a thing is non—existent both in the beginning and in the end, it is necessarily non—existent in the present. The objects that we see are really like illusions; still they are regarded as real. 7 The utility of the objects of waking experience is contradicted in dreams; therefore they are certainly unreal. Thus both experiences, having a beginning and an end, are unreal. 8 The objects perceived by the dreamer, not usually seen in the waking state, owe their existence to the peculiar conditions under which the cognizer i.e. the mind functions for the time being, as with those residing in heaven. The dreamer, associating himself with the dream conditions, perceives those objects, even as a man, well instructed here, goes from one place to another and sees the peculiar objects belonging to those places. 9—10 In dreams, what is imagined within the mind is illusory and what is cognized outside by the mind, real; but truly, both are known to be unreal. Similarly, in the waking state, what is imagined within by the mind is illusory and what is cognized outside by the mind, real; but both should be held, on rational grounds, to be unreal. 11 If the objects perceived in both waking and dreaming are illusory, who perceives all these objects and who, again, imagines them? 12 It is the self—luminous Atman who, through the power of Its own maya, imagines in Itself by Itself all the objects that the subject experiences within and without. It alone is the cognizer of objects. This is the decision of Vedanta. 13 The Lord (Atman), with His mind turned outward, imagines in diverse forms various objects either permanent, such as the earth, or impermanent, such as lightning, which are already in His mind in the form of vasanas, or desires. Again, He turns His mind within and imagines various ideas. 14 Those that are cognized internally only as long as the thought of them lasts and those that are perceived outside and relate to two points in time, are all mere objects of the imagination. There is no ground for differentiating the one from the other. 15 Those that exist within the mind as subjective ideas and are known as unmanifested and those that are perceived to exist outside in a manifested form, both are mere objects of the imagination. Their difference lies only in the difference of the organs by means of which they are perceived. 16 First of all is imagined the jiva, the embodied individual and then are imagined the various entities, both external such as sounds, forms, etc. and internal such as the pranas, sense— organs, etc., that are perceived to exist. As is one's knowledge so is one's memory. 17 As a rope lying in darkness, about whose nature one remains uncertain, is imagined to be a snake or a line of water, so Atman is imagined in various ways. 18 When the real nature of the rope is ascertained, all misconceptions about it disappear and there arises the conviction that it is nothing but a rope. Even so is the true nature of Atman determined. 19 Atman is imagined as prana and other numberless ideas. All this is due to maya, belonging to the effulgent Atman, by which It appears, Itself, to be deluded. 20 Those conversant with prana describe Atman as prana; those conversant with the elements, as the elements; those conversant with the gunas, as the gunas; and those conversant with the tattvas, as the tattvas. 21 Those acquainted with the padas call It the padas; those acquainted with objects, the objects; those acquainted with the lokas, the lokas; those acquainted with the gods, the gods. 22 Those conversant with the Vedas describe Atman as the Vedas; those conversant with the sacrifices, as the sacrifices; those conversant with the enjoyer, as the enjoyer; and those conversant with the objects of enjoyment call It the objects of enjoyment. 23 The knowers of the subtle call It the subtle and the knowers of the gross, the gross. Those that are familiar with the Personal Deity call It the Personal Deity and those that are familiar with the void, the void. 24 Those that know time call Atman time and those that know space call It space. Those versed in the art of disputation call It the object of dispute; and those knowing the worlds call It the worlds. 25 The knowers of the mind call Atman the mind; the knowers of the buddhi, the buddhi. The knowers of the chitta call It the chitta; and the knowers of righteousness and unrighteousness call It righteousness and unrighteousness. 26 Some say that Atman consists of twenty—five cosmic principles; some, of twenty—six principles; some, again, of thirty—one principles; while there are yet others who describe It as consisting of an infinite number of principles. 27 Those who know how to gratify others call Atman gratification; those who are conversant with the asramas call It the asramas. The grammarians call It the masculine, feminine and neuter genders; and still others, the Higher Brahman and the Lower Brahman. 28 The knowers of creation call It creation; the knowers of dissolution, dissolution; and the knowers of preservation, preservation. In truth, all such ideas are always imagined in Atman. 29 The disciple grasps only that idea which is presented to him by his teacher. Atman assumes the form of what is taught and thus protects the disciple. Absorbed in that idea, he realizes it as Atman. 30 Atman, though non—separate from all these ideas, appears to he separate. He who truly knows this interprets, without any fear, the meaning of the Vedas. 31 As dreams, illusions and castles in the air are viewed, so is the tangible universe viewed by the wise, well versed in Vedanta. 32 There is neither dissolution nor creation, none in bondage and none practicing disciplines. There is none seeking Liberation and none liberated. This is the absolute truth. 33 Atman is imagined as the unreal objects that are perceived to exist and as Non—duality as well. The objects, too, are imagined in the non—dual Atman. Therefore Non—duality is Bliss. 34 The diversity in the universe does not exist as an entity identical With Atman, nor does it exist by itself. Neither is it separate from Brahman nor is it non—separate. This is the statement of the wise. 35 The wise, who are free from attachment, fear and anger and are well versed in the Vedas, have realized Atman as devoid of all phantasms and free from the illusion of the manifold and as non—dual. 36 Therefore, knowing Atman as such, fix your attention on Non—duality. Having realized Non—duality, behave in the world like an inert object. 37 The illumined sannyasin does not praise any deity, does not salute any superior and does not perform rites to propitiate departed ancestors. Regarding both body and Atman as his abode, he remains satisfied with what comes by chance. 38 Having known the truth regarding what exists internally as also the truth regarding what exists externally, he becomes one with Reality, he exults in Reality and never deviates from Reality.

I am afraid, yes all empirical evidence i.e. facts established from experiments have shown us that what we call reality is only a state of mind and the next question to ask is if what we call reality is only a state of mind then what is mind? and yoga and consciousness studies show that the mind is the product of a divine god. This is what I am arguing from the beginning of this thread. There is no conflict between science and religion. Don't try to become a modern Pope denying the basic facts of the world. You better change your perception of the world like this. Actually its easy enough to find the Lord residing in you than finding a zombie. îsHâ vâsyamidaM sarvaM yat kiñca jagatyâM jagat, tena tyaktena bhuñjîthâ mâ gRidhaH kasya sviddhanam. 1. ॐ ईशा वास्यमिदँ सर्वं यत्किञ्च जगत्यां जगत् । तेन त्यक्तेन भुञ्जीथा मा गृधः कस्यस्विद्धनम् ।। १ ।। The Lord is enshrined in the hearts of all. The Lord is the supreme Reality. Rejoice in him through renunciation. Covet nothing. All belongs to the Lord. - Isha Upanishad (Yajnavalkya), verse 1

Its not just in eastern religious thought, it also exists in the western religious thought. If you need the fruits you need to strike them at the right place similarly if you want to see some results one needs to worship the right God. Tertullian in Against All Heresies also discusses Abraxas in the account of Basilides' system as a higher aeon: "Basilides affirms that there is a supreme Deity, by name Abraxas, by whom was created Mind, which in Greek he calls Nous; that thence sprang the Word; that of Him issued Providence, Virtue, and Wisdom; that out of these subsequently were made Principalities, powers, and Angels; that there ensued infinite issues and processions of angels; that by these angels 365 heavens were formed, and the world, in honour of Abraxas, whose name, if computed, has in itself this number. Now, among the last of the angels, those who made this world, he places the God of the Jews latest, that is, the God of the Law and of the Prophets, whom he denies to be a God, but affirms to be an angel. To him, he says, was allotted the seed of Abraham, and accordingly he it was who transferred the sons of Israel from the land of Egypt into the land of Canaan; affirming him to be turbulent above the other angels, and accordingly given to the frequent arousing of seditions and wars, yes, and the shedding of human blood. Christ, moreover, he affirms to have been sent, not by this maker of the world, but by the above-named Abraxas; and to have come in a phantasm, and been destitute of the substance of flesh: that it was not He who suffered among the Jews, but that Simon was crucified in His stead: whence, again, there must be no believing on him who was crucified, lest one confess to having believed on Simon. Martyrdoms, he says, are not to be endured. The resurrection of the flesh he strenuously impugns, affirming that salvation has not been promised to bodies." Philosophers like Basilides of the west and Yajnavalkya of the east did figured out that there is metaphysical mind and a metaphysical intellect and its just that eastern religious systems systematized and developed methodologies to access this knowledge or the noumenal world and knew about other ways of knowing and used different epistemological models. One can imagine the freedom of expression, religious ideas and the freedom given to women and how they were treated equally among men by the Vedic people. There is a history and theory behind it and there is a Supreme God, a god which humanity has forgotten, therefore this is serious religion. Wolfgang Pauli investigated about these archetypes and concluded as to what they are. Therefore these archetypes can only be studied by adopting non-positivist methodologies which enable us to access the noumenon of the world. Rather than creating virtual environments what we need to understand is that the so called real objective world is itself a virtual immersive reality. See Immersion (Virtual reality) There is indeed actual scientific evidence and many laboratory experiments have confirmed this and as far the uses of eastern religions are concerned those who have adopted the methodology of yoga have gained mastery over nature and finding it useful every day. Mystics too generate empirical data and the presence of the numinous can be tested empirically. Some aspects of electroencephalographic studies in Yogis ☆ - Sciencedirect An electroencephalographic study on the zen meditation (Zazen). - NCBI and related papers. Bio-feedback research and Yoga Psychotic and Mystical states of being. Yoga-nidra: Scientific evaluation Most people have not realized how esoteric this world-view can get, Carl Jung was also good at painting and art and he documented what he saw, there is growing evidence that these archetypes or gods indeed exist and they do influence us in every way. (Additional note: its quite wrong to conceptualize the ontology of the archetypes using empirical concepts, their ontology seems to be completely different) All this shows how less we understand about our place in the cosmos and how relevant religion is for our present age and time.