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"Truthful words are not beautiful; beautiful words are not truthful. Good words are not persuasive; persuasive words are not good" - Lao Tzu You can hate me all you want just because I speak the truth but I don't have anything personal against anyone and I just criticize for the flawed position that people hold on to and I am not going to stop it just because you threaten to hate me. Yes, any matured educated man who doesn't realize that a God resides in him is at best deluded and broken.

How Effective Is Sun Salutation in Improving Muscle Strength, General Body Endurance and Body Composition? "These individual asanas have their own physical benefits [3] e.g. Step 0 and 10 in Fig. 1 induces a state of introversion; Step 1 stretches thoracic, abdominal and intestinal muscles and lifts prana upwards in the body. Step 2 and 9 massages the abdominal organs, tones the spinal nerves and moves prana in lower body parts. Step 4 and 5 tone abdomen, muscles of thighs and legs. Step 6 exercises the spine and strengthens muscles of arms and legs." Do you realize that the bold part of the sentence which says step 1 lifts prana(the elan vital) upwards in the body and step 2 and 9 moves prana to the lower body parts is in contradictory with what science says and teaches? According to science there is no such thing as elan vital or the life air. Not only the methodology has an efficacy the explanations of the authors as to how the efficacy works are also true which means the scientific community need to abandon their objectivity and accept that this world is a mere shadow of a far more real world which exists in the intelligible realm or else in the noumenon. I don't need any equipment to prove it. This distinction between the empirical world and the real physical world as it really exists out there is albeit necessary. I am citing both empirical results as well as scholarly traditional sources showing that this is a genuine religion and also to show that this is not an appeal to authority. If it was all made up then why people of different cultures and religions at different timelines have come up with same theories about the origin of the cosmos? I think there were all able to access a reality which we have not yet made an effort to access. The intent is to do good for all of mankind and the rituals indeed work. http://www.ndtv.com/article/south/the-17-crore-prayer-in-karnataka-for-rain-248142 "It could perhaps be a mere coincidence, but there is some good news for the farmers after these prayers - the Meteorological Department has predicted more rains in the driest parts of north and south Karnataka in the coming week." Its because I have never heard that just by jogging you can self-induce high amplitude gamma synchrony, increase memory and cure traumatic brain injury but these methodologies do that and controlled studies show that one gets different results when the methodology is performed without uttering the verses and when it is performed along with the silent utterances of the verses in the mind. I am convinced there is a hidden science or mechanism behind it and its the correct way to study and understand consciousness and the human mind. Long-term meditators self-induce high-amplitude gamma synchrony during mental practice. Effect of yogic education system and modern education system on memory. The Benefits of Sun Salutations on Traumatic Brain Injury: A case study. I think God has more evidence and a higher probability of existence than extra-terrestrial life so don't go so far as to equating him with a tooth fairy which is a false analogy. By this time the scientific community should have been seriously in search for a hypercosmic god because all evidence in science is in favour of such a god. Bernard won the templeton prize for the concept of a hypercosmic god and not for the concept of a tooth fairy and it is the concept of veiled reality and the great eastern philosophical systems which are being discussed in journals of science and religion and hence God meets with reality more than your tooth fairy which is the invention of a fictional writer. Therefore what you have got is a false analogy, God has more supported evidence than your tooth fairy. You should better know that our ancients used those same old exercises to obtain all their knowledge and philosophical insights. They didn't do anything magical apart from that.

I have been ridiculed, mocked, banned and called delusional here and in other forums every time I bring up this issue and other orthodox religions have demonized us and treated like devil worshippers even though there is no concept of devil in our religion. I guess I'm counting my days here. What's ironic is that in this part of the world this religion is the orthodoxy but the rest of the world sees us as heretics, I wonder who is delusional, therefore the suppression of this religion seems to be a cultural one rather than having any basis on theology. Don't tell me how I need to interpret my own religion - Christianity, Hinduism and Buddhism. Its silly and pointless to suppress this minority religion in this 21st century world where comparative studies on different religions are easily available and truth and evidence are openly accessible. There is no excuse for such ignorance especially by people who consider themselves to be scientific minded. It is this religion which gives true equality to humanity by asserting that the world is Non-dual and by saying that everything and everyone is made of the same essence and it is not secularism which promises us to give equality because the truth doesn't exist in it. This isn't science, this is esotericism and I don't like to use science to prove this. An ancient method to test this worldview The Aryans extensively relied on the yoga school of philosophical thought in order to access the numinous world. It can be argued that this practical knowledge is an inherent part of their tradition along with other schools of thought and not separate from it. It’s the foundational basis for all forms of their knowledge, even though Patanjali is well known as the founder of the yoga school of philosophy different forms of yoga existed prior to him and all such knowledge including the yoga school of Patanjali can be traced back to Hiranyagarbha himself who was the god of the Aryans, whom the founders of Rig Veda worshiped him as the first-born. As said earlier there are two ways to look at the Veda where one can study the individual lustrous rays of the Hiranyagarbha as separate gods of his pantheon i.e. Agni, Soma, Prana etc. or else one can study the whole pantheon of Hiranyabarbha as himself in his Samasthi swaroopa (total or whole form). It was Vishwamithra who discovered a way to worship this mass of lustre of Savithru or Hiranyagarbha but that method is not addressed here as no one outside the tradition should perform it without first going through a series of rituals in the traditional way. However there are other ways to study his rays as a whole and one such method is given below which is called as Sun Salutations. The scholar Devudu who hails from this tradition revealed us the secrets of the Isopanishad which were passed in a traditional way through his works. According to tradition Savithru, the supreme god of the Vedas, himself had said to Yajnavalkya, the author of the Isopanishad that, “Those who read the Isopanishad as well as the Yajnavalkya Upanishad which deals with the life story of Yajnavalkya and clearly understand the deep meaning behind it, I will reveal myself to them without fail.” Therefore the following verse of the Isopanishad is uttered before performing the method for those who only want to live the righteous path, as this was the sole purpose of their doctrine, different people perform this method for different reasons, Hiranmayena patrena satyasyapihitam mukham tat tvam pushannya apavrino satya-dharmaya drishtaye (Isopanishad, Verse 15) It means that the truth is hidden inside a golden egg from which the first-born Hiranygarbha originated and his light rays are preventing us from seeing the ultimate truth clearly therefore we should plead him to decrease the intensity of his impeding light rays so that we can clearly see him and attain the path of righteousness by understanding the truth behind it. "People cannot see anything in the real realm unless they become it...if you have seen the spirit, you have become the spirit; if you have seen Christ, you have become Christ; if you have seen the Father, you will become the Father" (Gospel of Philip 61:20-32 cf. 67:26-27) Though the ancient Aryans used to perform rituals in a holistic way for the good of the whole world irrespective of the nation, creed, race or the culture they belonged to, the rituals were also performed in a multitudinous way to fulfill personal desires. However they highly recommend us to perform in a holistic way which was the sole doctrine of the Aryans that the light of God exists in everyone irrespective of their race or their background. It is advisable to practice it to test the efficacy of this method under the guidance of a master and the verses after the asterisk (*) should be silently uttered in the mind when performing each step. Conclusion According to these esoteric religions it is very unlikely that God had used the Big Bang or the DNA to create the universe or the Humans in it and these religions enforce upon us to abandon such form of thinking at least when one is arguing based on these esoteric religions. It should be emphasized that there can be only one reality in the external physical world and if the objects of modern science like quarks, protons, electrons exist independent of the mind i.e. if scientific realism turns out to be true then the metaphysical world of the esotericists will be falsified. As one of the necessary postulates required for the existence of the metaphysical worlds of the above mentioned esoteric religions is that scientific realism must be false and such a test will guide us whether to abandon this form of esoteric thinking and move an alternative way forward or to move in the direction of our ancients. Truths as to how the universe is working and who is in control of it. There were revealed truths. That's why we don't just rely on Holy books alone. As one teacher says, "The scriptures are ambiguous and the truth cannot be extracted from them by those who are ignorant of tradition." (Irenaeus Against Heresies3:2:1). The oral traditions are as much important as the holy scriptures. I am not pleading for any respect, I don't need it, all I'm saying that what you have got here is a false analogy.

I'm sorry, I don't know higher English but I do my best to convey my thoughts. Ridiculing me or mocking me like that just because you don't like my posts will not vindicate the validity of your position, its the world that needs a fixing not me, especially the atheists and the catholic church. "Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is none more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory in itself, than this thing called orthodox Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid, or produces only atheists and fanatics." - Thomas Paine. Thomas Paine said many things but I don't like to post it here.

I have interests in both religion and science. I did watched the National Geographic program just out of curiosity back in 2006 on the Gospel of Judas and had heard names like Marvin Meyer and Elaine Pagels but at that time I wasn't aware of many things and I did not saw the big picture. I used to watch God TV and listen to good Christian conferences and these influences are enough to end me up where I am, my parents doesn't necessarily have to be Christians for that. My parents are not Christians and I don't come from a Christian background. I have my own reasons as to why I hold this radical position and its my studies and reading which has brought me here and nothing else. Science and religion are incompatible, you have got two choices, either take the creation myths as it says seriously and be a strong theist or reject religion and be a strong atheist any compromise pantheistic position mixing God and science isn't feasible.

I don't have a Christian background, I belong to the religion of Julian the Apostate and I worship Helios and we make no connections with the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions. I have an ancient religion to follow which pre-dates Christianity. Hymn to King Helios, dedicated to Sallust. Against the Galilaeans. But I have a big problem with this man St. Paul, the Apostle of the Gentiles. I was taught that Hiranyagarbha, the Sun-god is the first born of all creatures. Hiranyagarbha: samavarthaagre Bhuuthasya jaatha: pathireka aaseeth Sadaadhaara Prudhwivim dyaamuthemam Kasmai devaaya havisha vidhemam” (Rig Veda X: 121:1) Translation - In the beginning, God and his supreme spirit alone existed. From the supreme Spirit of God proceeded Hiranyagarbha, alias Prajapathy, the first born of God in the form of light. Hiranyagarbha forms the very basis or the foundation of Indian philosophy and all our knowledge. Now here comes St. Paul and says Christ is the first born of all creatures. Not to forget the claims that he makes of making an ascent to heaven to attract the gentiles. “He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation; for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or authorities--all things were created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him, all things hold together.” Col 1:15-17 I was taught, in fact I worship Helios as holding all the totality of divine powers in him means all the Aeons reside in him and form his body which is a highly esoteric knowledge. "Savithru deva is the lord and master of Agnishoma mandala and He is in Samashti Brahmanda(Macrocosm). The same presiding deity(Savithrudeva) rules the microcosm Pindanda(human body)" Agnishoma mandala is nothing but the Pleroma of the Gnostics. Here comes St. Paul and says this in Colossians 2:9. "In Christ dwells all the pleroma of deity in bodily form" Col 2:9 Valentinians who claim that their theology was derived from Paul have everything in common with the Vedic Aryans from espousing God is androgynous and comes in dyad forms to worshipping 33 Aeons and hence it begs the question who was Christ really? Christ belongs to the pagans and the Gentiles as much as he belongs to the catholic Christians.

You're mistaken if you think you're in control of your life and if you think you can shape your own future, the future has already happened. You still don't know what I'm talking of and my answer is the same whether it is ketamine or Caffine I need neither of them to access the noumenon,

The Vedic Aryans are masters of nature and not its slaves, I have repeatedly said that mysticism isn't entirely subjective, it has empirical consequences which can be empirically studied. Before I wasn't so active in the religion forum and I will just shut up and go away if some of the members here stopped equating God with FSM and if some of the scientists at other places over the internet stop asserting that God is dead, no one really laughs or pity them more for their ignorance than we do. I honestly state that atheists have not investigated religion with a honest mind and their position is fundamentally flawed. I am not going to just go away without challenging their preconceived notions and if you had honestly investigated both modern science and religion and had understood what both of the disciplines are saying, it just doesn't allow an atheistic view of our existence. Yes, there is a numinous and this world isn't real. Long term mediators Self-induce high-amplitude gamma synchrony during mental practice. Human body is being kept alive not because of reduction in entropy instead the human body is kept alive because of Prana. Fasting Fakir flummoxes physicians A Vedic Aryan who plays with fire. There is nothing special about the east even the west knew about this, the neo-platonist Iamblichus knew about it, the emperor Julian knew about it, its just we have preserved the practical knowledge too that's all. The scientific community might be blind about these things however I am not. As for as your request that I need to walk through the walls or do other crazy things honestly I don't have any practical knowledge and I wasn't educated based on the eastern philosophical system and more over I am not interested in making myself invisible or teleport from one place to the other, I am after something which is worth knowing, The Holy Father himself, which is far more important. "People cannot see anything in the real realm unless they become it...if you have seen the spirit, you have become the spirit; if you have seen Christ, you have become Christ; if you have seen the Father, you will become the Father" (Gospel of Philip 61:20-32 cf. 67:26-27)

We don't have a choice, returning to fullness(Pleroma) is inevitable and actually the Brahmins try to access the noumenon world daily. Secret of "Gayathri Mantra" "Aum Bhur Bhuvah Svah" the Viyahritis shall have to be concerted. The three planes of Bhur Bhuvah Svah that constitute the whole universe shall have to be brought into focus. In other words, it must be established in mind that I belong to no particular country but am a dweller of the whole universe. In this way those who are Aryans, find themselves established in the Sun, the Moon, the Planets, and the stars at least once a day, and thus renew their unbreakable ties with the manifest universe. Tat saviturvareniam bhargo devasia dhimahi: We meditate on the adorable and ever pure effulgence of the resplendent Vivifier of the Universe. But by what formula can he mantain his link with this boundless Power that manifests itself? The formula is: Dhyiyo yo na prachodayat." - Rabindranath Tagore Its because we are not free, we are here to do God's work. "Whoever is really free because of knowledge is a slave because of love of those who have not yet been able to attain the freedom of knowledge" (Gospel of Philip 77:26-29). Thanks for your advice but I don't need it, I have a far better way to access the noumenon without requiring any psycho-stimulants. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "… the I that I think is distinct from the I that it, itself, intuits …; I am given to myself beyond that which is given in intuition, and yet know myself, like other phenomena, only as I appear to myself, not as I am …" - Immanuel Kant The real "I" has not been revealed to us, we are not this body, not this mind and not this intellect.

I think you need to know the context in which it was being said. Currently there seems to be a bug issue with youtube embed.

As I have made the same point elsewhere in the other thread I very well know that the quote is from the Lalita Sahasranama. The puranas were written at a later period to make the common man understand what was there in the Vedas, it doesn't change the fact that the same concept exists in the Rig veda which is much older and hence this idea of Antharmukh and Bahirmukh is at least 5000 years old. http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/70431-could-god-be-dimensionless-point-of-consciousness-and/page-7#entry715043 I am actually very much disappointed with the amount of ignorance that exists in this world. I still find a large gap between the way academic people interpret these scriptures and the way local scholars from India interpret the same scriptures and I find that these local scholars were way ahead of their times. The west still need to learn a lot.

I completely agree with that definition. Yes noumenon is the world which is known without using the sense organs. The world of science pops up when we perceive the world via sense organs and the world of religion pops up when we perceive the world without using the sense organs. Descartes? Kant? We knew from the time of around 3000 B.C. that there are two ways of knowing the world. In Sanskrit we have precise words for that which the English language doesn't have, its known as Antharmukh and Bahirmukh. Ajakshaya vinirmukta mugdha kshipra prasadini Antarmukha samaradhya bahirmukha sudurlabha .. 162 Ajaya: For whom there is no birth. Kshaya vinirmukta: Whom there is no decay also. Mugdha: Who is attractive by her artless beauty and innocence. Kshipra prasadini: Who is easily pleased. Antarmukha samaradhya: Whose worship is easy for those whose, mental gaze is turned inward. Bahirmukha sudurlabha: Whose worship difficult for those whose mental gaze goes outwards. It is this simple wisdom which allows me to do both religion and science even though they are in conflict with each other. The reconciliation is that the world of science appears when we perceive the world via sense organs and the world of numinous appears when we perceive the world without the sense organs. The west need to learn a lot from the ancients rather than rejecting their knowledge. Is it impossible to know the noumenon? I don't think so. I had it figured out very early in my life that science cannot fully describe reality and that there is something wrong with the positivism of science. Religion is metaphysical and yes Kant argued that synthetic a priori judgements were not possible in the metaphysical domain and hence he criticized the rationalist metaphysicians for making assertions on metaphysical topics like God and morality. But I think synthetic a posteriori judgements are possible in the metaphysical domain, our ancients did not obtained metaphysical truths either by logical thinking or by speculation or sense observation, they obtained it directly via psychological observation or via direct experience and hence this is synthetic a posteriori in metaphysics. The noumenon is knowable. Agnostics are wrong, humans can know god.

Not really, phenomena is the world as it appears to the human mind and noumena is the real world as it actually exists independent of us so the world which religion deals with is far more real than than the world of empirical sciences.

Religion + Science = Pseudo-science Yes, if you mix religion with science what you get at best is pseudo-science. Science deals with the phenomena and religion deals with the noumena, their epistemology, ontology and methodology are completely different and do not mix well. Religion is under no obligation to go by the rules of science, an omniscient God is free to set up this universe in his own ways. As Eugene Scott said "You start with the revealed truth and that governs your reflection upon the empirical world". This is religion. Creation myths are more real than ordinary reality, modern people don't understand what our ancients stood for and they mix religion with science either to make their beliefs look rational or to gain credibility for their claims by using scientific terms. Religion is independent and it defines reality for us and writes down the implications for science, not the other way around where religious scriptures are twisted so that it is made in accordance with what modern science says. I also think that observers came first and then Big Bang happened. Religion trumps logic, reason and just about everything. Religious people are disinterested in such questions like the first cause of Big Bang, origin of life, whether universe expands forever or collapses back into a Big Crunch, what they are more interested is in the manifested world of God. Most people don't know that there is a manifested world of God out there, God is a person and he is anthropomorphic and this is incompatible with science. Take Kabbalah for example:

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The topic is about sin(Christianity) and the important thing to remember is that Valentinian theology was seriously followed by Valentinian Christians in Egypt thousands of years of ago. That's what is important for me not what majority of the people in today's world believe in and decide what should be socially accepted and what not to. Valentinian concept of sin "In conclusion, Valentinians are closer to the mainstream of Christianity than is often assumed to be the case. The evidence supports the conclusion by Desjardins (1990, page 116) that the Valentinians were "Christians who took sacraments quite seriously, who took to heart Matthew's Sermon on the Mount, and were deeply concerned about not committing sins". It might further be added that there is certainly some truth to their own claims that their theology was derived from Saint Paul."

It doesn't change the fact that you haven't understood the argument yet, the argument made was not that machines cannot prove theorems, the argument made was that if you take any such automated theorem prover as given by you it will have statements which it cannot prove but we humans can know the truth value of those statements, any such ATP will be either incomplete or inconsistent but a human can go beyond such a formal system and can know the truth value of those statements. Ergo machines can never surpass human mathematical insight. Either mathematics is too big for the human mind or the human mind is more than a machine. -Kurt Godel Actually its both, mathematics is too big for the human mind and hence it exists separately in the platonic realm apart from the Nous(Mind) which we call the Intellect and Mind is more than a machine in the sense it is the product of a divine God. Now I have given two valid reasons one is this and another one is what we call reality is only a state of mind and since even the brain falls under empirical reality there must be a mind separate from the brain which generates this empirical reality including our brains. The atheistic scientific community might be blind about this however we are not and we will continue to model the world that a mind and an intellect exists separate from the mind and we will continue to study the divine light rays of God and the government here has established this university to do just that. http://www.ksu.ac.in/en/about/vision-and-mission/

That's not the only doubt that I had in my mind, one more doubt which I had was whether you have understood the argument or not and I think you have not understood the argument yet. In case you have not understood it please understand it, the argument is Can machines think? or to put in Turing's words Can machines do what we can do? The answer to that question which has been already proved is a clear no. Is thinking Computable? Please understand the argument by reading this paper. First we will go for simple tasks before building a machine which discovers new theorems for us. Consider this simple problem, Armstrong numbers- [latex]1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3 = 153[/latex] Given this example I want a machine which generates an algorithm for me as its output all by itself which when given any number the algorithm needs to check whether the number is an Armstrong number or not. I want the machine to discover that algorithm for me all by itself. Only then one can reasonably say that the machine has some understanding and has some insights or is thinking. We are no where near it. Even if you give that machine a thorough crash course on the C language and make it learn we still don't know how to make that machine understand the problem in hand in the first place because a human being need to interfere and define the semantics and meaning and provide a representation to the machine and after all this how do you give the power of insight to the machine as to what should be the next step that needs to be taken to discover that intended algorithm or the solution to a problem? We are no where near it and it has already been proved that human beings can do things which machines will never be able to do, human beings knows answers or truth values to problems for which no algorithm exists, ergo human thinking is non-computable and all part of human thinking cannot be simulated on a computer. Once you understand the fact that conscious thought cannot be simulated on a computer the next thing is to look for alternate models which account for that phenomena and this is where a God hypothesis is inevitable and a honest person should investigate such a hypothesis and if you actually do theurgy the truth is right out there for anyone to verify it. You're mistaken, there are sound proofs which show that the measurement problem leads to a contradiction in quantum mechanics and it is unavoidable. Either Schroedinger's wavefunction isn't all there is or the wavefunction isn't right. A general argument against the universal validity of the superposition principle - Angelo Bassi and Ghirardi This is one proof and much more stronger version of that proof has been proved by Bernard. Adam did not invented any laws or theorems, it discovered previously unknown genes which codes for particular enzymes all by itself which is no surprising than a evolutionary algorithm coming up with new design solutions which were previously unknown to human beings.

Did you by mistake forgot to post the link? I didn't got your link.

I have studied both molecular neurobiology and also the Pagan mystery religions and there is no mechanism with in the neuro-chemistry of the brain which account for how mathematicians access absolute truths existing outside of ourselves, of course magical forces might be lurking inside our brains, there is no evidence of it but there is evidence to believe that a Nous(Mind) exists separate from the brain and one can verify it by performing Theurgy. Also experiments were given to show that the empirical reality doesn't exist independent of us and not appeals to authority. I am actually quite bored of these silly excuses given as a cop out to escape from the facts of nature. Either this forum is outdated and the members have not kept up with recent findings and experiments or it doesn't deserve to be a science forum since no one here goes according to the facts of nature discovered by scientists and religious scholars.

I guess you're talking of this textbook. Quantum Theory and Reality However Griffiths is wrong, there are theorems which have been proved to show that the measurement problem is unavoidable and it leads to a contradiction in quantum mechanics, either the Schroedinger wavefunction is not all there is or the wavefunction isn't right. You are also wrong about the latter one too(mathematical insight) and both of your misunderstandings has been corrected and tackled in this paper. Foreward: A Computable Universe, Understanding Computation and Exploring Nature as Computation - Roger Penrose However Penrose has missed a simple puzzle, if he thinks that absolute mathematical truths exist somewhere outside of ourselves then he is looking for it in the wrong place, he is searching for it in the structure of space-time and in the microtubules of the brain but anyone who has studied the Pagan mystery religions very well knows that Platonists i.e. our ancients argued that there is a Nous(Mind) apart from the brain which access the ideal Platonic forms from the intelligible realm. Its as simple as that. I figured this out years back and all evidence is in favour of a hypercosmic God i.e. my God. I am quite happy that brilliant physicists like Bernard do recognize it. Progress in science doesn't come by evading the problem, progress and advancement comes by thinking and solving it and giving up our strongly held prejudices. I am pushing forward this as a God hypothesis. A God hypothesis is a reasonable competing hypothesis explaining the origin of the cosmos and our place in it. This is not a god of the gaps argument, this is a argument which fills a gap in our understanding of the cosmos. This time it is religion which is going to correct science.

There is ample evidence that the people who built the temple Gobekli Tepe were foragers and were not people who had a settlement to do agriculture and all. First came the intent to worship and agriculture(civilization) originated has a consequence of that and hence the origin of organized religion was due to psychological factors and not due to physiological needs as you have stated in your OP which is plainly wrong.

Yes, I have lots of proofs and I am not a fool to hold such a radical position without genuine logical reasons or proofs and to take sides with Penrose and Bernard. Proof of Bell's theorem Violation of Bell's inequality implies either one of these premises or assumptions of science are wrong. 1. Einsteinian separability - i.e. An event A cannot be the cause of an event B if [latex]( \Delta s) ^2 < 0.[/latex] 2. Realism - i.e. The assumption that an object has an independent pre-defined properties prior to measurement. 3. Induction Nature indeed violates Bell inequality which means either one of these assumptions must be wrong and experiments were made to allow for non-local influences and tested for realism but even then non-local realistic theories fail to account for observed correlations showing that it is the premise of realism which is wrong. We need to abandon the notion of an objective reality existing independent of us. A variation of Godel's incompleteness theorem proved by Roger Penrose to show that strong AI is impossible. There is no mechanism with in the neuro-chemistry of the brain which can account for how the mathematicians can access the ideal world of the platonic realm and obtain absolute mathematical truths. However we have a mechanism for how mathematicians access the ideal world of numbers in the platonic realm. In the words of Penrose there must be something in the physics of the nature which is non-computable, however Penrose doesn't seem to be aware of the Pagan mystery religions and hence he thinks he can find that answer in the structure of space-time at the fundamental fabric of the cosmos which in my opinion is a wrong approach to find the platonic values, platonic values are beyond space-time where as space-time are just categories of the human mind. Penrose might be wrong in how he is connecting all his ideas together but he is right about his mathematical arguments that there is something in the way humans think which cannot be simulated on a computer. The only reason I believe in the pagan mystery religions is because of this and not because of other things like quantum mechanics. QM just adds additional reasons and forces us to question the existence of the empirical reality independent of the human mind. These ideas are not meant for publication because the authors of the Upanishads didn't signed their names on their works. This is no one's intellectual property. This knowledge belongs to the people of the world.

Just by having faith on Christ one will not be saved from sins or attain salvation, it is only by knowledge that you can escape from sin not by blindly accepting Jesus Christ as your saviour. "The one who has knowledge is a free person. But the free person does not sin, for the one who sins is a slave of sin " (Gospel of Philip 77:15-18 cf.. John 8:34). Sin exists as long as ignorance exists. As far as your question on whether Jesus did it on his own will there were speculations like that at early Christian times. Gospel of Judas Gospel of Judas states that Jesus told Judas "You shall be cursed for generations" and then added, "You will come to rule over them" and "You will exceed all of them, for you will sacrifice the man that clothes me."

This might be a starting place to change some of our perspectives on how organized religion came into existence, much of what is said in the OP is wrong, it was not the physiological factors that gave rise to organized religion but it was the psychological factors which played a prominent role in the origin of organized religion. New evidence tells an opposite story of the origin of human civilization. Birth of Religion "Twenty years ago everyone believed civilization was driven by ecological forces," Schmidt says. "I think what we are learning is that civilization is a product of the human mind." Much of today's organized religion can be explained by evolutionary psychology and cultural evolution. If religion is full of violence and if it is indeed such a bad meme then why have these ideas survived in our meme pool, of course memes live forever and humans learn those ideas again and again where as a gene lost is lost forever but even then why has religion persisted to even this day? Religion has persisted not because it helps in kin selection, not because it hijacks neo-cortical mechanisms, religious people aren't dumb or have not turned off their screening mechanisms when it comes to religion. Religion persists because the numinous has revealed itself to the human psyche throughout the history of humanity and religious experiences affect a person's day to day living in a great way and it is this supernatural force is the main reason why religion has persisted up until this day and it is going to continue to play an important part in shaping our human psyche.