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CaptainPanic , I'm not going to explain again the meaning of hal.'s melting for you . It exists as a term , it is there , Google it and you will return to its place of genesis . Ophiolite , I write clearly , like you write clearly , company affects company .

CaptainPanic , An ice cube on a table takes heat from it's surroundings and a puddle is formed . Do you agree it has been Hal.'s melted ?

Ophiolite , When he gives the answer to the question above in post #87 you will then have no reason to argue with it , if it is then taken to also be your opinion . I need then only ask CaptainPanic any question to know if you both agree . It surprises me that you , Ophiolite , did not say the following , He sure as f*** speaks for me and the scientific community . Did we not give him the authority to speak for us ?

Yes CaptainPanic , I can certainly quote the entire post , selective extraction is a normal occurence in the forum , sadly .

CaptainPanic , Do you think you speak for everybody in the thread and the scientific community . Free yourself , Vrijheid zoals een kraai door de lucht . An ice cube on a table takes heat from it's surroundings and a puddle is formed . Do you agree it has been Hal.'s melted ?

To be able to power electric circuits later more efficiently and not to make the same storage mistake of the past .

CaptainPanic , This is not a matter of refinements of interpretation . You are stating that it's your understanding that I am suggesting that melting isn't always reversible . Where did I suggest this ? Don't point me to a post that then leads to a refinement of interpretation . You are being told here in this post that I did not say that melting isn't always reversible and this has been my consistent view .

Ophiolite , I have given examples in this thread and in another thread of instances where I believe Hal.'s melting has taken place . They are clear explanations of a kind that the usual abstract question dodger does not give . If I say that when an ice cube is placed on a table and it is heated to give a pool of water , those understanding the point of view of Hal.'s melting would see no reason not to agree it has been Hal.'s melted . I know what melting by the rules of those who want to have the most common standard is , I also know what Hal.'s melting means , if it were my opinion that a piece of wood could either be melted or Hal.'s melted I would say so . I don't have to describe the circumstances of everything that has ever melted or why something may or may not be able to melt . There is no communication failure here . I have communicated my view , if you interpret it correctly we will both understand the same view . You say you have been assessed as having above average reading skills , read this then , If Hal thought a piece of mahogany could be melted Hal would say so . If Hal thought a piece of mahogany could be evaporated Hal would say so . If Hal thought there was ever a chance a chippy could condense a table and four chairs for him to sit at for dinner Hal would say so .

dragonstar57's philosophy of technology: if its important put four times more than it could possibly ever need...then double it This is what I have done dragonstar57 , I explained my point of view quite early , it needs no more . If people would like to think I am a troll , it won't bother me .

Pincho , Can matter exist without antimatter inside it ? + 1 ? Can antimatter exist without matter surrounding it ? - 1 ? Hal.

Pincho , correct me if I am understanding your view incorrectly , Your fundamental is that nothing is made of +1 matter and -1 antimatter . Is there an imbalance to make something , for example + 3 and - 2 gives a +1 matter particle ?

Pincho , Is there only one type of particle , +1 spherical matter , - 1 spherical antimatter enclosed ? Do you believe everything is made of these particles ? Hal.

Pincho , I have a modelliing programme and it makes 3d models when I put objects there . I thought , let's make a model of that particle Pincho is talking about . I selected a sphere , I thought , placed it in the 3d volume at 0 , 0 , 0 , 3d origin and pressed enter . A cube appeared by accident , I picked the wrong item to place in the 3d modelling space . So , Pincho , accidentally I have the following question and I hope you can answer and we can all be the wiser of your view . Why can the particle not be a cube of +1 with a volume of antimatter the shape of a cube -1 contained in it ? Would a cube particle conflict with your idea ? If it is consistent with your idea , can you add this cube particle to your collection of ideas ? Hal.

CaptainPanic , Hal.'s melting is used as a term to describe that which differs from conventional melting , it is uncommon melting for reasons already explained and no doubt understood . I have many options , I can explain what I mean to clear up any misunderstanding , which I think is not required if a person is to read the full thread .

Ophiolite , my threshold of annoyance far exceeds yours . You are guessing about what I am saying , I am not surprised that you show patterns of ego annoyance , If I thought wood could melt I would say so , you like to say things that are false .

CaptainPanic , If you understand the viewpoint I have then there is no confusion . I understand the conventional definition dependence on reversibility for it's proof . If you ever melt something and wish to describe this as melting with no reference to it's proof which is dependent on reversibility then you will have something in common with me , Hal . Until then I wish you luck in the scientific community . Ophiolite , you don't know what you are talking about .

Ophiolite , I'm describing melting , I never claimed anything other than to be describing melting , if you see benefits and would like to use the term for the viewpoint , do so . CaptainPanic , What I describe is called melting . I will choose to have as many viewpoints as I like .

CaptainPanic , you are arguing with yourself , you introduced the term , I have the viewpoint it applies to , I have explained it , it is melting .

Ophiolite , I'm not trying to tear down the well established scientific principles of melting , I have my viewpoint of what happens to objects , I think there is enough information to describe the viewpoint , if you would like to use the term Hal.'s melting , do . Try to be careful not to attribute viewpoints to me which aren't mine .

dragonstar57 , I do think you understand the Hal.'s melting viewpoint , you couldn't question like this otherwise . I think you realise that not needing to be able to return to an original state and needing to not be able to return to an original state are different things . The former doesn't impose a condition which may or may not be attainable whereas the latter imposes a condition which must . Maybe there are materials which can't return to their original state , would you like to suggest such ? If you look at melting and freezing as a journey like a return train trip from New York to Chicago to New York , Hal.'s melting will describe the journey from New York to Chicago . It is simple .

I watched a lot of Elvis films when I was younger , the TV channel must have got them for free . Anyway , Elvis , I think it may have been a stuntman , memory fades , had a motorbike and used to travel around in a closed container with sidewalls that was cylindrical in the fairground . The faster he went the more he and the motorbike were forced outwards to the side of the container . Once he mained a minimum speed he was able to keep at the same height and the reason he was there was centrifugal force . If he slowed down the centrifugal force got less and he moved lower and nearer to the centre . When you have a container of a mixture of solids and liquids if you spin/stir it from the centre the centrifugal forces will have a bigger effect on the lighter particles , pushing them further outwards , than they will on the heavier particles which stay nearer to the centre . There are also containers which use centrifugal forces to throw the heavier particles further away and the lighter particles stay near to the centre in a reverse separation technique .

dragonstar57 , I don't say that materials that are hal.'s melted can't return to their original state , hal.'s melting has nothing to do with the reverse process , whether something is hal.'s melted would be decided upon based on evidence which would not involve anything to do with the reversible process . That is the qualification of independence of reversibility which is not the same thing as a qualification that accomplishment of reversibility is not possible . I am not placing a condition of reversibility to decide whether something is hal.'s melted , that is simple . That doesn't mean you can't reverse the process . That means it doesn't matter whether you can or can't , hal.'s melting will be decided upon independently of whether you can or can't .

Amanda , Upon the supposition of a nephew , If my nephew borrowed $1000 for use in business and it was a simple loan , I would take it that he would be in debt to me for $1000 but the business did not represent me . If my nephew sold a part of the ownership of a business to me for $1000 , I would then assume that the business' dealings were partly in my name . I would question the debts the business was making and if I thought they were excessive I would make it known . In my simple view I have always thought that a business is only worth what would be left over if it shut down and paid off all it's debts . Morally , in my opinion , to close a business leaving many other business' to absorb any losses is wrong . Lawfully , owners may be protected , if somebody like my nephew said he couldn't pay my $1000 back to me , I would steal the wheels off his car .

dragonstar57 , do you think I say that an object which has been hal.'s melted is incapable of returning to it's original state ?

Aluminium melts at approximately 660 degrees Celsius , Brass has many compositions some of which melt between 900 - 940 degrees Celsius , Bronze likewise has it's different varieties and one of them melts at 950 degrees Celsius approximately , Steel is a term for many Iron alloys and a Cast Iron alloy for reference melts at approximately 1260 degrees Celsius . Do you want to melt some metal and pour a casting ? Edit : A capital C for Celsius .