natureboy

Thanks for your post

So, you think that James Lovelock, a scientists, is motivated by other means? Have you even read his work?

Why do you devalue the process of finding food. Every living thing has to find food. That is probably the smartest thing you can do. I'm willing to bet that a dolphin is better at finding food than you would be if someone wasn't finding food for you. Human's work 8 hours a day, 8 hours a day to put food on their table. Sometimes more. How many hours a day do you think a dolphin spends finding dinner? Are you an American citizen? Then I have news for you. You are at war right now and have been ever since I was born 26 years ago. The only reason your city hasn't been bombed is because the people we've fought haven't had the means to fight back. You'd better believe you're at war. Just give them a fair fight and you'll see. Humans are warmongers. How can you even argue that? Play is the human definition of a good life. If we were intelligent, we would seek to maximize our time at play. Instead, we do the opposite, even with all of the technology that has increased our productivity. Humans aren't very good at planning ahead. Had we been, the first thing we would have done is try to stop our population growth. If there were 1 billion people on the entire planet, we wouldn't even be worrying about global warming. Some individuals are good at planning ahead. Perhaps you are one of them. Back in the time of the Romans, there was PLENTY of land, water, and resources for every person on the planet. People weren't fighting for water or to survive. Still, even then, people were constantly at war. We fight amongst our own species more than any other mammal, and certainly more than dolphins. I'm not saying that a dolphin can solve a math problem or have an intelligent conversation with you. I'm not saying that they are perfect. They are brilliant animals and are more intelligent than humans in the things that really matter.

Clearly, it is dolphins. They are very bright animals and their entire lives are spent in play. Humans are not the most intelligent animal. What is intelligent about destroying the planet in record time. Plus, we are constantly at war. What is intelligent about that? Plus, we work harder than any other mammal on the planet, and spend less time at play. I would say dolphins are a little brighter.

There are alot of active minds on the forum here. But let me ask a serious question. Do we really have to prove that humans are causing global warming before we take action? People much smarter than us have been ringing the sirens since I was born in the 80's. We didn't do anything then because people were saying it couldn't be proven, and look at the mess we are in now. It baffles me that people are still arguing this point. Are we living on the same planet? James Lovelock has said that we don't even have more than 30 years before the effects of global warming will destroy our way of life. It doesn't seem like long, but just think about our delicate our society is. Do you think people can change their habits and stop global warming? Do you think the human race will survive?

William James Sidis, the smartest man that ever lived, proved that space is infinite. "He has shown that the "Big-Bang" theory is wrong. The universe is infinite and eternal; it did not begin at some time, and will not end at some other time; it has no border at some place, and no other border at some other place." ―Dan Mahony His work is available on line and written so that any body with a decent science background can read. http://www.sidis.net/ANIMContents.htm

This is precisely the point. People don't truly want global warming to stop, just like people don't really want to save our bees (google "cell phone bees". yet another phenomenon is occurring that threatens our existence). If people truly wanted to stop global warming, we would have done it decades ago when scientists first started warning us. However, we did precisely what many people on this forum are doing: we thought to much. Some people made up stories in order to continue making profit in just the same way that people today are trying to explain away the phenomenon of the radiation created by our cell phones kill our bees. The truth is people would rather use their cell phones than have to worry about bees, or drive their car rather than worrying about cooling of a planet. If we were serious, we would stop using our cell phones and stop driving cars regardless of whether it is proven or not. The fastest way to prove something is to take away the cause and see if the effect goes away also (i.e. stop using cell phones and see if the bees stop dying). Besides, how much would it hurt to give up cells phones for a year? 10 years ago there weren't any. The same can hold true, to some extent, for cars. I want to offer a different perspective. Have you ever seen a dog chase it's tail? Why does a dog chase it's tail? Well, it's because the dog doesn't know the the tail is its own! If you look at us humans, we are no different. We believe that we are in control of nature, but this is clearly false. I'll explain why. Every war that is fought, including the Iraq war, who started it? Did humans decide to fight the war, or did nature order us to fight? If you think about it, the only reason that people fight is because resources are limited. Food is limited, precious metals and nutrients, oils, and women. This is all limited by nature. Right now we fight over oil. But we've always fought over something. Nature tells us to fight, when man was first put on this planet he had no choice but to fight. Now, a very important question relevant to this thread. Is man responsible for global warming? Or did nature tell him to do so? Is man controlling his tail or is he following it? This seems like a complex question, but it really isn't. Nature told him to do so. When man made fire, he was already on his way to doing his duty of heating the earth. With fire, he was able to burn down trees. We have been on the planet a very short time and perfected this art of getting rid of trees and nature with tools even more powerful than fire. Man is a creation of nature; he evolved from something and was "dreamed" up by nature herself. Man didn't chose to be capable of making fire, he made it because he could; because nature allowed him to do such things. If man has a choice, he would had two options: "the option of not creating fire and living without global warming, in peace with the earth v.s. the option of living with global warming and changing the earth forever with likelihood of going extinct himself." He was given no such choice. He had to create fire and technology, and observe the effects. Man does not control nature. Nature controls man. Based on this, it follows that even if we wanted to stop global warming, we couldn't do it. Why? Sure, as individuals we are smart and know that what we do is wrong. We know that global warming can be theoretically stopped using clever technology such as nuclear power, fusion, fuel cells, solar power, and controlling our population and saving our trees. If we know this, and have the means to do it, why aren't we expending all of our energy towards this goal? Why are we instead fighting wars over dwindling resources such as oils, building massive corporations, and arguing over who will be the next American Idol? The reason is we are up against the forces of nature, which are instructing man on how to behave in massive social groups. Nature, which has programmed man to continue making new technology; new fires. She has programmed us to continue this to the end. Nature has a plan. Perhaps this is her way of starting over. If men could only see. If men could only understand her plan.... We, as individuals do not have to suffer because of natures plans. You can be at peace with nature to the extent possible and enjoy your time here. Life is a wonderful thing and the living should rejoice in being given a chance to enjoy it; even more so now that you know life, like oil, will one day be a limited resource on this planet. What will our world be like in 20-30 years when global warming starts to really destroy our civilization? I don't want to think about it. I just want to live.