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Electric charge – a different approach
MavricheAdrian replied to MavricheAdrian's topic in Speculations
Hi Bufofrog! Yes it is true. Unfortunately, formulas are not loaded through copy-paste. Hi MigL! Similarity does not mean "the same". The 'similarities' are not meaningless, if you read the material to the end, to understand why I referred to the similarities between the two physical fields -
Electric charge – a different approach
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Abstract: . Starting from the similarity between an electric field with a gravitational field, it is demonstrated why (and how) the elementary electrical charge has this value. It is a parallel theory with that of quantum mechanics and is trying in an approximately-simplistic manner to describe the world of atomic processes. Keywords: elementary electrical charge; physical field; space-time; inflation – astronomy (General relativity) ; mechanical work; oscillation(vibration); gravity; the constant of the fine structure; I. Introduction: In general we find many articles relating to (and about) electrical charge, but nowhere does it say from where it has this value, it’s being considered an intrinsic property of elementary particles. [It will be considered as elementary particles, only those particles that have a "real existence", namely, those which have a bigger life of, let's say, 5 min, - therefore, the electron, the proton and the neutron - the other particles live such a short time, disintegrating almost instantaneously after it's being formed, so that we do not know if it can be considered particles or only "resonances" (oscillations) of determined energy[6]. "Confusion" between the action of an oscillation with the action of a "mass", we find it in Einstein's famous formulas of the energy too, namely ε = m and ε = hν. Describing the energy, they can be considered equal, namely m=hν. But we notice that on each side of equality there is a constant and one variable. So, by reducing constants, which are always the same, the variables will remain, that is m≈ ν, which means that the action of a mass, in our case of a one particle, can be confused with the action of a oscillation, and vice versa. It is also known that the proton and the neutron have an internal structure (quarks), but its are considered in all experiments as the standalone particles [1], therefore this is how it will be considerated also in this case.] II. Basic Ideas: In this material is starting from the similarity between electric field and the gravitational field, and without contradicting or entering into conflicting with quantum mechanics, it will be explain "why" the elementary electrical charge has this value. III. Grounds for the study: Between the gravitational field and the electric field, both with sources at rest, we will find the following: - similarities: - the mathematical formulas of the two physical fields (of the fields forces) are similars – directly proportional with the masses (respectively with the electrical charges) and inversely proportional to the square of the distances [3]; - the intensities of both fields are described by similar mathematical formulas; - and I would add, as manifestations of the fields: - different masses (under the influence of the unique gravitational field), local, have the same (gravitational) acceleration - it moves identically in the field) [2] [4]; - different masses (the electron and the proton) have the same electrical charge (as a value) [1]; - electric force, it may seem described by the geometry of space-time (as well as gravity), from Coulomb's formula, as follows: - we have the description of electric charges from the formula of the fine structure constant: , we replace in Coulomb's formula: on and we have = ⇒ = (I), where: • it is the constant of fine structure; • it is electric charge; • it is a mathematical constant; • is the permittivity in vacuum (or free space); • c it is the speed of light in vacuum; • it is Planck's constant; • it is the reduced Planck's constant (also called the Dirac constant); • it is the electric force, “which occurs between two particles with electric charge”; • it is the distance between particles; From the formula (1), it is observed that what we call electric force, it also exists in the absence of any charge carrier, it (the electric force) seeming more of an "environmental manifestation". As everything happens in an empty space, means that the electric force becomes (according to formula 1) a manifestation of the space-time membrane. - differences: - gravitational forces are just attractive [2]; - electric forces can be both, attractive and repulsive [6]; Since the similarities between the two fields are very high, it will apply what is known about the gravitational field [2], and to the electrical field, namely, to give it to the latter, a form which will be described by space-time geometry. If we were to simplistically interpret the gravitational field (which is just attractive), in the presence of the masses [2], the geometric shape of the space-time curve would be (let's call it positive curvature – downward) as in fig.1. . -
Electric charge – a different approach
MavricheAdrian replied to MavricheAdrian's topic in Speculations
If I use the function of "Coopy" and "PASTE", I can't load the drawings. However, I don't understand why there is a function at the bottom of the page "Drag files here to attach, or choose files..."? -
Electric charge – a different approach
MavricheAdrian replied to MavricheAdrian's topic in Speculations
Hi swansont, As I was telling Phi for All, I used what is at the bottom of the page "Drag files here to attach, or choose files...", If I do "COOPY" and "PASTE", the drawings do not load. I do not understand why? There are two forms of energy, which can change one into the other... I don't see where the problem is? -
Electric charge – a different approach
MavricheAdrian replied to MavricheAdrian's topic in Speculations
Hi Phi for All, I used what is at the bottom of the page "Drag files here to attach, or choose files...", If I do "COOPY" and "PASTE", the drawings do not load. -
Electric charge – a different approach
MavricheAdrian replied to MavricheAdrian's topic in Speculations
Both describe energy.... -
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Electric charge – a different approach
MavricheAdrian replied to MavricheAdrian's topic in Speculations
Hi Studiot, This is what I have done "choose file". electric charge.doc 1 (4).pdf Hi Swansont, This is what I have done "choose file". electric charge.doc 1 (4).pdf Hi Ghideon, I didn't talk about photon energy, but two different mathematical formulas describing the same thing, that is, energy. electric charge.doc 1 (4).pdf Hi Migl, This is what I have done "choose file". electric charge.doc 1 (4).pdf -
Electric charge – a different approach
MavricheAdrian replied to MavricheAdrian's topic in Speculations
Glad to see you dear membres! Meanwhile, I completed my theory, even accompanied by mathematical calculations. Please kindly take a critical look at it. Thank you electric charge.doc 1 (4).pdf -
Electric charge – a different approach
MavricheAdrian replied to MavricheAdrian's topic in Speculations
Hi Ghideon! This is the latest version, which I will try to publish. -
Electric charge – a different approach
MavricheAdrian replied to MavricheAdrian's topic in Speculations
Hello! I made changes to my theory. electric charge.pdf -
Electric charge – a different approach
MavricheAdrian replied to MavricheAdrian's topic in Speculations
Hello Ghideon! Is possible that to make myself hard to be understood, and thank you for your understanding. To make things easier, exclude from the material this part: "- and I would add, as manifestations of the fields: - different masses (under the influence of the unique gravitational field) have the same gravitational acceleration (it moves identically in the field) [2] [4]; - different masses (the electron and the proton) have the same electrical charge (as a value) [1]; " Thanks! Hello "swansont"! It is mostly true what you say, but I made it clear in "Introduction", why I do not take into consideration quarks (I do not take into consideration for this material - I underline). Thanks! I wish you a Merry Christmas, and if I do not succeed to answer, I wish you, for all the members of the forum, a new year full of successes and accomplishments! -
Electric charge – a different approach
MavricheAdrian replied to MavricheAdrian's topic in Speculations
Hello Strange, First of all, I apologize for responding so late, but some activities caught me and I had no free time. It is true that English is not my native language, and it is possible that to make myself hard to be understood . For that, thank you for your understanding. When I say "Please read all the material carefully", I'm not saying it with malice, but, because this shows me the questions of the some members participating in the discussion. Let's take the example of "swansont", and I'll explain: After "swansont" asks me questions about proton, electron and neutron (things I mentioned in "Introduction"), after I clarify everything, he asks me about quarks, and if he read carefully "Introduction", he would have seen that I also wrote about quarks. That's the idea, that's why I say to read carefully, and I am not malicious. I hope you understood me, now. Thanks! -
Electric charge – a different approach
MavricheAdrian replied to MavricheAdrian's topic in Speculations
Sorry, it's my mistake. They have the same electrical charge as value. In my material so I wrote "different masses (the electron and the proton) have the same electrical charge (as a value) ". Please read all the material, so you will understand my reasoning electric charge.pdf -
Electric charge – a different approach
MavricheAdrian replied to MavricheAdrian's topic in Speculations
There is nothing wrong The cases presented by you are some special cases, which are not interesting for my presentation. Please understand that I wanted to highlight the similarities and differences between electric charge and gravity, just to justify why I wanted to give it a graphical form and to the electrical charge. I do not deny the existence of the extreme cases presented by you, but they have no importance in the development of my theory. You can also skip chapter 2(II. Basic Ideas), nothing will change in the understanding of my theory. Please read all the material carefully and you will understand that these extreme cases presented by you have no relevance in my discussion. Please read all the material carefully . electric charge.pdf The images that you posted is correct, but they do not matter to my material. Please understand that I wanted to highlight the similarities and differences between electric charge and gravity, just to justify why I wanted to give it a graphical form and to the electrical charge. You can also skip chapter 2(II. Basic Ideas), nothing will change in the understanding of my theory. Please read all the material carefully . Unfortunately, here you are wrong. The proton and the electron have different masses, but the same electrical charge. The neuron has no electrical charge - or we can say it is 0 (that's why it is called neutro-n ... neutro- neutral, no load). I, the neutron I put in another category, but for this you have to read all the material, so you can understand what I'm talking about.- 94 replies
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Electric charge – a different approach
MavricheAdrian replied to MavricheAdrian's topic in Speculations
Sorry, but I think you do not understand the idea of this similarity. I'm going to grow up, maybe that's how the idea is understood: "different masses have the same gravitational acceleration is similar to different masses have the same electrical charge" Excuse me, but is super joke That's out of our discussion That's what I said in "Basic Ideas", there are similarities and differences. It just needs to be read carefully. I have already highlighted the idea, but I repeat it: "different masses have the same gravitational acceleration is similar to different masses have the same electrical charge" I answered why I did this " I just wanted to show that "different masses have the same gravitational acceleration is similar to different masses have the same electrical charge, to justify the description of the electric field, in the same way as the gravitational field, namely, to give it a form which will be described by space-time geometry. Therefore it does not matter how many bodies are. Please see the first paragraph of "Background of the study"."- 94 replies
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