Phi for All

I was responding to "i also thought there was no such thing as a self cleaning mechanism" to highlight an example, but I didn't mean to imply it was working on the substances under discussion. Apologies that it came off that way.

! Moderator Note Or simply against the rules on this particular science discussion forum. This is a Biology thread, dealing with the natural world.

I wouldn't listen to people who tell you to pretend to be something instead of doing something smart. Something doesn't sound right, trust me.

Mandates are needed when the states and the individuals are either powerless to affect change, or need extra incentive to adopt meaningful healthcare behavior, such as opting for cranial rectal inversion reversal. Do you call yourself a capitalist? You're a pathetic one if you think it's OK to pay what Americans pay for private health insurance. In my capitalist dealings, I prefer not to be ripped off.

This is probably at the heart of the problem, none of us are. I've known people who thrived as vegetarians, and others who broke out in sores and looked horrible. I know someone who was vegetarian and overweight for decades, and is now a hundred pounds lighter by dropping potatoes and grains and adding bacon to her veg diet. It's probably not smart to dictate that everyone eat a certain way.

I think in this case it's a slur against a group, as if all vegans demonize meat-eaters.

Actually, I'm leaning more towards why the hell are Americans so hung up on having the freedom to choose from a myriad of products, services, and programs, yet accept a mere two choices for one of the most important aspects of their lives? I say now is the right time for a third party. The Democrats are just serving a more humane, reasonable group of billionaires, but the problems we have now mostly stem from a lack of support for the bulk of those who've committed to civilized living. So much wrong could be righted with so little effort, but not until the influence of wealth over our governing process is better regulated.

Every cell in your body can clean out certain things when it needs to. Iirc, they make a little folder of cytoplasm filled with questionable junk, and then let an organelle decide what gets kept and what gets pitched. The way I quit smoking was to stop imagining it as a door I could lock and never go into again. If you want to quit, you have to rip the damn door out and brick up the hole. That door no longer exists. After that, smoking simply isn't an option. Don't think of it as something you shouldn't do, or even something you've given up. You simply don't smoke, ever, for any reason. Not an option, and no real need to find a different choice. You are not a smoker. Happy end of story.

This is a GOP tactic, not one the Dems practice much. Many more attempts at bipartisanship on smart legislation were met with Republican rejection, even when it was sponsored by one of their own. You remember how they did exactly what you're talking about with anything "Obama" for 8 years, right? In other countries, those elected are supposed to work together to form an effective government. In the US, each party seems to work for different billionaires, and their aims are often at odds because they aren't trying to be effective leaders of a prosperous country, they're trying to be richer. It is disconcerting to think the billionaires no longer care if we're healthy enough to contribute to making them richer. It's as if they've crunched the numbers, and somehow the masses aren't as important to the bottom line any more.

Cardio exercise. Work those bellows with some deep breathing. Coughing helps. Your lungs have a self-cleaning mechanism. Great study here. If you've quit smoking, congratulations! If you haven't, extra O2 might wake up enough brain cells so you realize how smart it would be to quit.

The NHS diet, the whole paleo movement, Atkins, Protein Power, they all back you up on this. Complex carbs via grains signals the production of insulin, and too much of that turns on a whole bunch of processes that are fairly negative for us modern folks who don't worry as much about surviving winter. I'm a meat and veg guy, skip the potatoes and bread.

I think the key is your perspective. You're looking at this as something good you're being denied, and that increases your desire. Humans treat that like being enslaved, and rebellion is the automatic response. Instead, look at it as a bad thing that's severely shortening your life, and causing you multiple negative consequences in the short term, all for a fleeting feeling involving salt & fats, or nicotine & tar, or whatever else you think you're addicted to. Forget "I can't have Pringles/cigarettes/heroin anymore!" and use "I'm too smart to ingest/inhale/inject that junk, and such a great brain needs a healthy body to support it!"

A bloke gone bent, from Stoke-on-Trent, once spoke on Lent and woke swansent.

Again, nobody said there aren't abuses. But that's not how it's all done. You enjoy yourself. I've said my piece, and it doesn't seem to interest you in the least. Have fun with all your guilt.

I handle May Sandal Day on Vandal Way in Mandalay.

I eat prime and choice beef from a local butcher that was there when I went to high school. These guys are a legend in the area for all the reasons you list above. And I'd appreciate it if you stopped labeling us meat-eaters all as bingers. I'm pretty responsible in that area, because I'm old and want to get older. I'll tell you what. If they'd let me, I'd slaughter my own cow for steaks (once at least, for the experience), and I'd make sure that cow knew how much I appreciated the sacrifice. I've held animals I loved for non-food reasons as they died in my arms, and I respected them all for what they gave up to live according to my whim. I don't take the relationship lightly, and I don't assume an animal is any less deserving of respect. You need to understand. Domesticating animals so we don't have to hunt them is an intelligent thing to do, and nothing you can say changes that. We're omnivores, and we're already having big problems changing from a hunter/gatherer diet of meats and greens (for hundreds of thousands of years) to mostly grains (for the last ten to fifteen thousand). We're evolved to eat meat, and we've evolved a respectful and efficient way to get it. What you're arguing has no end. First you disrespect the spirituality of eating meat, then it will be no killing bugs, and pretty soon you'll wonder why all the plants have to suffer to feed us nasty humans.

So you object to humane measures to make the animals happier? You're impossible to please on this topic. I've heard they give them small doses of acetaminophen for the pain of growth spurts because of how well they're fed. How do you feel about that? Who wouldn't fatten up their birds before slaughter, and how humane to think of the pain that causes while they're alive?

Yet you want everyone to change to fight WORLD hunger. Do you realize how many more people there are who aren't in Western society? Do you know the first thing that happens when there is a first-world run (heavy demand) on a produce commodity like corn? The poorest million people in the world die. When the US decides to pay farmers more money for ethanol corn than they can get selling it as food, it starves off those who were barely getting by. Anything you try to do to change EVERYBODY is going to have severe consequences for the most fragile humans on the planet. I think your idea is extremism, and I think you probably listened to someone you were impressed by, and you went overboard with it.

I figured you had no plan to deal with existing animals. It's always "Everyone needs to stop killing animals!" and then you seem content to just let nature take its brutal, uncalculated course. These are animals I pledged to honor with my bartering and vigilant demands for their humane treatment as they're slaughtered for my continued existence. Unlike you, I understand we wouldn't be here without them, and that we haven't outgrown our need for them.

Oooh, Flashdance, even better!

It's easy to think the world needs saving when one explanation is spun to you in vivid, slaughterhouse imagery. It's an emotional appeal that's like armor against reasonableness. From a pure physics and biology standpoint, isn't meat a more efficient form of nutrient? It's formed by animals eating vegetation, which uses sunlight more efficiently than dirt alone.

Gorilla Dirty Dancing, love it!

Where do you come up with this nonsense? Coyotes regularly raid henhouses where I live, so if you remove the security and leave them to fend for themselves, what exactly do you think would happen? If what you said was true, if the farms left the gates open all the animals would run away and never come back. What actually happens is that most would come back because of the food and shelter and lack of predators. Freedom is a human concept. For an animal, the only lack of freedom that matters is holding them down or trapping their legs. The kind of abstract freedom you're foisting upon them is NOT within their intellectual capabilities. You're an anthropomorphist.

It seems to me that you've discovered the real problem with this way of thinking. You're a well-informed, reasonable person who happens to benefit greatly from a vegan diet, yet you don't call for everyone to stop eating meat. There are better distribution methods for all food that should be examined before we start banning certain ones.

You care only for your tastebuds?! Well that explains your problem. You're a monster if you don't acknowledge the sacrifice a cow makes for you to have a burger. Where is your spirituality, that you can't accept this relationship? Why do you wish to destroy all the cows and chickens just because you can't summon the compassion to thank them for a short life lacking all predation until the very end? It really seems like you're spitting on the efforts of animal husbandry experts around the world who try to develop humane and respectful processes for feeding our society. Are you going to come after our dogs and cats next, claiming it's wrong to keep them locked up? By the way, this is like the fifth or sixth thread you've started about not eating meat. You never address good comments, and you never present better arguments. Why are we wasting so much time on this if nothing is going to change?